Overrated / Underrated banks on WSO
Recently people have been saying that firms like PWP, RBC, and Barclays are overrated by kids on WSO and firms like Laz/CS are underrated… any other notable mentions or disagreements?
Recently people have been saying that firms like PWP, RBC, and Barclays are overrated by kids on WSO and firms like Laz/CS are underrated… any other notable mentions or disagreements?
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Broadly as a professional in the industry who has done banking and PE—“Lower tier” banks are systematically underrated on this website and “top tier” banks are systemically overrated. People on this forum act like Goldman Sachs versus UBS is going to determine your next 10 years of life when really if you are a smart analyst who can model well, articulate an investment thesis, and you have top notch test scores and a gpa from a good university, your career post banking is going to be more about self selection. All these jobs make you a highly valued professional that many firms want to hire. Also, from my experience, many banking analysts will either burn out, or they will decide they want to try something in an alternate investing arena aside from PE like hedge funds or VC and ultimately they won’t compete for the private equity jobs that it seems many on this forum are after. Additionally, there are so many private equity funds right now looking to hire people that it’s not as hard as people make it out to be to get a job in the industry if you have banking experience from any firm mentioned on this forum. People act like it’s harder than it is to make themselves feel better.
Similarly, a mm place like Jefferies will give you 90% of the opportunities a place like Morgan Stanley would granted the rest of your resume is in line. But honestly, it’s doubtful if you went to jefferies you would even want to interview for the same type of jobs the Morgan Stanley kids would want to. Most often, people choose to continue looking at businesses closer to their domain expertise and analysts are influenced by others around them in the funds they target.
One reason why the rankings don’t really matter is most the kids on this website will leave the industry. Hell, even people on “the path” of IB->PE->HBS/GSB eventually have to leave “the path” when they go to another industry or try to create their own fund or join a growing fund, in which case one has to wonder how much different their outcome would be if they went to “lower banks/ firms”. On that topic, I personally know many people who have done non-top bank-> LMM/MM PE—> HBS/GSB. Point is, much of this ranking is just completely splitting hairs with people at banks arguing their bank is better than all the others to make themselves feel better about the amount they sacrifice for their job.
Navigating a career involves a lot of personal and professional choices—whether the prestige of the first bank you work at is #1 or #20 you still are getting experience most people never even get close to in their lifetime.
Edit: since I think it’s really a great analogy—I think caliber of bank is like caliber of school. Are there firms out there that only hire Wharton grads? Absolutely. That said, do a majority of firms hire more broadly and they will be impressed by any school in the top 10 while also taking candidates from outside the top 10 if they are exceptional? Yup. The job market is way way bigger than people on this forum make it out to be. In fact, it’s way bigger than the school market and the analogy to schools eventually breaks down because there are top notch firms at different ends of the market due to how they strategically positioned. Way more of a free for all than even college admissions.
Great post thanks for the insight
Great post thanks for the insight
The only place "prestige" matters is pretty much on cycle PE recruiting.
I’d actually be even more narrow—the only place prestige matters is a select few firms in private equity. A vast majority of firms will actually care about how you interview and other parts of your resume over knocking candidates over things like GS versus Piper Sandler. Obviously there is a difference between random bank no one has ever heard of and ones discussed in this forum, but if it’s name is on this forum theres a decent bet that it's one of the top finance jobs for an undergrad in the country realistically.
Rbc - over
Qatalyst - under
Who tf underrates Qatalyst? And RBC is rated pretty fairly I think by virtue of being down the middle of what seems to be polar opinions on it. It's not the next GS and it's not BMO.
Agree. Qatalyst is not underrated—everyone knows they’re #1 in tech M&A.
I think the implication is that they’re not talked about as often as they should be.
Roths in USA underrated by wso and PWP too
Disagree with Roths. It’s kinda ass compared to the American banks
HL RX overrated
exits from LA and NYC FRG don't lie for HL
HL CF overrated
GS Financing groups are overrated
Could you elaborate what you mean? Not saying you’re wrong. Just curious
Not OP but I am assuming he is saying that the GS Financing groups (ECM,DCM,LevFin etc.) are overrated because although they have the "Goldman" name brand, their groups are not that strong compared to GS's Classic Coverage groups which are GS's bread and butter.
Jefferies is underrated on WSO.
Hahahaha
Tell me why Jefferies isn't underrated instead of just throwing MS lol.
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