cphbravo96:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/12/ron-pauls-long-record-g…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ron-pauls-quest-to-undo-the-part…

Regards

How simple minded is this.

Of course he couldn't get his bills to be voted on if the congress was always filled with people who wouldn't follow the constitution!

I bet the russian capitalist guy never got his bills to be voted on in the soviet union parliament.

The 'journalist' title should be renamed to '' drunk college kids who didn't want to study hard''.

 
Abdel:
...Of course he couldn't get his bills to be voted on if the congress was always filled with people who wouldn't follow the constitution!...

Well, considering that the people who didn't support him before will mostly be the people that won't support him between the years 2012 and 2016 then it seems like a really good reason to NOT vote for him.

People tend to forget that being 'different' doesn't imply 'change'. As you know, there are checks and balances in our government so Paul won't be able to institute a tenth of what he wants and we need someone who is going to get things accomplished.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 
cphbravo96:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/12/ron-pauls-long-record-g…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ron-pauls-quest-to-undo-the-part…

Regards

Yes, because we all know that Congress would somehow, on their own, cut spending, end the drug war, get rid of the business tax, etc. Paul's lack of success getting through legislation is a merit, not a demerit. Do you know what gets through congress? Spending increases, attacks on civil liberties, stupid war, etc. Please, name all the productive, useful things Congress has done.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment. -Styles P
 

I've never been a fan of dudes who didn't serve, or who's powerful family hid them in champagne units, who call for any war that's not entirely necessary. The last GOP administration is such a group of people. They HATED Ron Paul because he called them 'chickenhawks'...they're very 'tough talking' but didn't serve when it was their turn...Gingrich is part of that group.

Get busy living
 
UFOinsider:
I've never been a fan of dudes who didn't serve, or who's powerful family hid them in champagne units, who call for any war that's not entirely necessary. The last GOP administration is such a group of people. They HATED Ron Paul because he called them 'chickenhawks'...they're very 'tough talking' but didn't serve when it was their turn...Gingrich is part of that group.

just one bunch in a very long list of enemies of ron paul. last administration = no honor for trashing a true conservative like paul.

 
UFOinsider:
I've never been a fan of dudes who didn't serve, or who's powerful family hid them in champagne units, who call for any war that's not entirely necessary. The last GOP administration is such a group of people. They HATED Ron Paul because he called them 'chickenhawks'...they're very 'tough talking' but didn't serve when it was their turn...Gingrich is part of that group.

Is there any irony in the fact that the majority of the people that would support Ron Paul's name calling have never served?

Trust me, I don't find it admirable that someone skirted their potential obligation to our nation, but the vast majority of the adults in this country have the opportunity to volunteer to serve but most don't. Does that make them any less of a coward than the guy who didn't want to knowingly go into a war zone?

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 
cphbravo96:

Is there any irony in the fact that the majority of the people that would support Ron Paul's name calling have never served?

Trust me, I don't find it admirable that someone skirted their potential obligation to our nation, but the vast majority of the adults in this country have the opportunity to volunteer to serve but most don't. Does that make them any less of a coward than the guy who didn't want to knowingly go into a war zone?

Regards

The vast majority of people who support Ron Paul aren't for war unless America is directly attacked. So your first point is moot.

Personally, I don't care whether Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich or Bush and Co served in the military. I hate how our country buys into the jingo garbage about the bravery of war or being a government employee wearing the garb of the Army, Navy, Marine Corp and Air Force. Imagine if Mitt Romney went to Vietnam and died; how much less productive would our country be? How much more productive would we be if we didn't have such a massive military and those people in the military actually did something productive with their lives. It isn't relevant to their leadership, but it does cause a strong stench of hypocrisy when these clowns want American kids to go die for no reason in numerous environs when they did the rational thing and got out of it.

Not serving in the military during war is the antithesis of cowardly behavior.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment. -Styles P
 

We aren't going to war with Iran no matter who is elected. There is no way on this fucking earth that any of the JCOS will tell the prez (whoever it is) that it makes sense. Bombing campaigns a la Operation Foxtrot, maybe but not war.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 

I didn't serve, and I don't feel the need to whoop and holler for war so that other people's sons have to die to gratify my vanity or line my pockets. I think that is what pisses a lot of people off about chickenhawks like Newt.

 
ivoteforthatguy:
I didn't serve, and I don't feel the need to whoop and holler for war so that other people's sons have to die to gratify my vanity or line my pockets. I think that is what pisses a lot of people off about chickenhawks like Newt.

I agree, but their lack of military service shouldn't overshadow the danger of a nuclear equipped Iran and the potential necessity for military action...even if it isn't a full scale war with boots on the ground.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 
cphbravo96:
I agree, but their lack of military service shouldn't overshadow the danger of a nuclear equipped Iran and the potential necessity for military action...even if it isn't a full scale war with boots on the ground.

Regards

Dude, what are you talking about? Pakistan has nukes. North Korea has nukes. China has nukes. The USSR had nearly 40000 thousand nukes at the peak of the Cold War. What danger is there if the world's tally is increased by one? If anything, a nuclear Iran will lead to more stability in the middle east since the potential costs of another cross border war with Iraq will become too great.

There is no real legitimate argument for a more dangerous world if Iran gets a nuke. Iran has never attacked another country. Iran can't even produce gasoline for themselves.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment. -Styles P
 
cphbravo96:
ivoteforthatguy:
I didn't serve, and I don't feel the need to whoop and holler for war so that other people's sons have to die to gratify my vanity or line my pockets. I think that is what pisses a lot of people off about chickenhawks like Newt.

I agree, but their lack of military service shouldn't overshadow the danger of a nuclear equipped Iran and the potential necessity for military action...even if it isn't a full scale war with boots on the ground.

Regards

That's not the point. The ones calling most loudly for war during the course of the last decade were a bunch of draft dodgers (minus fearless leader, but even then he spent the majority of his time in the service partying and working on political campaigns...which I thought was illegal). I didn't serve and while I'm realistic about foreign politics, I'm not a hardliner...I don't feel as though I've earned the right to promote war in every possible circumstance. THAT'S why I don't like the people trashing Paul.
Get busy living
 
cphbravo96:
ivoteforthatguy:
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I agree, but their lack of military service shouldn't overshadow the danger of a nuclear equipped Iran and the potential necessity for military action...even if it isn't a full scale war with boots on the ground.

They told kadafi not to get one = he got killed.

Nuclear weapon is the only way to make sure you won't get attacked these days. Funny how the US try to be the policemen of the world when 50 million of it's people are starving on food stamps.

we have to look at portfolio holdings of the people who want war. I wouldn't be surprise to find alot of A&D companies in there.

 

Basically, it's the hypocrisy of guys who didn't fight when their ticket was called but aren't ashamed to send others to die and kill.

I am armed and will fight if anyone threatens my Constitution, my family, or my home. I am not going to fight to enrich warmongers and international bankers or please foreign lobbies who want Americans to die for their cause.

 
Abdel][quote=cphbravo96:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

Regards

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat[/quote] He was allied with the Soviets, but yes, this is the primary root of where we went wrong in Iran and MENA in general.

Get busy living
 
UFOinsider:
He was allied with the Soviets, but yes, this is the primary root of where we went wrong in Iran and MENA in general.

He wasn't allied with the USSR. Oil companies led a push for him to be labelled as such. The root of the problems in the Middle East was really WW1 and collapse of the Ottoman empire. Also, their fairly youthful religion helps. Sunni on Shiite hatred is far more severe than Iran on Israel hatred.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment. -Styles P
 
UFOinsider][quote=Abdel][quote=cphbravo96:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

Regards

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat[/quote]

He was allied with the Soviets, but yes, this is the primary root of where we went wrong in Iran and MENA in general.[/quote]

Just imagine if China overthrow your democratically elected governement and put in place a dictature who torture and kills your family members.

How would you feel about China?

 
Abdel:
Just imagine if China overthrow your democratically elected governement and put in place a dictature who torture and kills your family members.

How would you feel about China?

Spot on. How people think that America can somehow dictate terms to Iran is beyond me.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment. -Styles P
 
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eokpar02:
Abdel:
Just imagine if China overthrow your democratically elected governement and put in place a dictature who torture and kills your family members.

How would you feel about China?

Spot on. How people think that America can somehow dictate terms to Iran is beyond me.

How would I feel about China? The same as I do now: they're a glorified dictatorship and the sooner their political structure liberalizes, the better. They already HAVE imposed their system of government on other countries, Manchuria, Tibet, hell China itself is an empire. They are more passive aggressive than the USSR, but look at Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, N. Korea, Darfur, etc: this is their handiwork. As for Iran, they are aiming to become a regional superpower by sponsoring terrorism, using nuclear intimidation, leveraging their resources, and selling a crap version of religion. This is a problem for EVERYONE, and if you want to stick your head in the sand, then kindly do so and remove yourself from the process. They can NOT be trusted.

Personally, I think that a diplomatic approach in 1953 would have been the best, as we WERE dealing with a democratic regimen, and yes oil was a factor, but no, we did not overthrow them because of that. We didn't want the Soviets using them as a pivot point, plain and simple. The resources were a secondary consideration, just like Afghanistan. Kermit Roosevelt and the CIA were basically running amok with no oversight and the American public would be horrified if they paid more attention to this episode of history: we could EASILY have bought them on board. So, in a strange way, this is Karma coming back to haunt us.

I can't tell if you're socialists, Islamic loyalists, or just misguided, but Iran was aligning itself with Russia. With all due respect, you guys seriously need to learn about what you're talking about before you comment. Rent Charlie Wilson's War and start there. Just like the Kennedy assasination, there are multiple interpretations of what happened, but it's not possible to have any type of extended discussion without acknowledging reality or at least agreeing on some base of verifiable facts...sparring ideologies are too subjective and I'm not a theoretician.

Get busy living
 

^ This nails it. The current Iranian regime is a bunch of looney tunes religious nutjobs but they are the natural continuation of the tyrannical government they replaced (ie the one we supported with guns and cash). Only the craziest motherfuckers would step against a murderous police state and once they win, they aren't going to turn off the crazy for our sake. Every revolution creates its Robespierres, and in some cashs, like the Bolsheviks after Kerensky, they settle in for a nice long horribel stay.

Even the secret police force of the Shah they adopted whole cloth. We created this monster. Some parts of the monster we literally created.

 

What business do we have with Iran? We have basically boxed them in with no where else to go. We literally created this problem 30 years ago, and look at the results now. All in the name of "stability" and "democracy they say. I think everyone should read Taleb's paper on the topic: http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/ForeignAffairs.pdf

He provides great insights into what is a major problem with U.S. policy, namely the issue of "blowback" or the unknown repercussions of policy. We can't know exactly what we will do, and trying to suppress anger, resentment, and change in the name of some elusive "stability" only invites huge imbalances that will eventually lead to massive events that are unwelcome.

We have no business in Iran, Israel has 300-400 nukes to protect themselves, and as long as we are stern with Iran concerning issues such as the Straights, I don't see why we need to fight another war. Everyone talks about war as if its some great thing to protect our country, but no one ever talks about the effects of it on the lives of real people, be it in other countries or within the US. Send some of these warmongerers to spend a day in Afghanistan and see if their positions change. Soldiers signed up for their duty to protect and defend this country from true threats (ie. Japan / Germany in WWII, the Gulf War, etc...... not some policy mistake that has taken 30 years to develop.) It's a messy business that should be avoided at all costs.

 

Pakistan has nukes, has the world ended? Has New Delhi been bombed? Similarly, if Iran were to get nukes, nothing would happen, so long as we don't invade them. Nukes offer a protection no other weapon can, that's why people get them, it makes you "invasion proof".

Ron Paul is right on foreign policy. The US is acting like a bully on a playground, and the little kids on the playground are trying to steal daddy's gun (nukes) so as to protect themselves. If the US would just stop playing in the other kiddies sandbox and stomping on their little sand castles, the other kids wouldn't be so mad at us. They would have no reason to attack us. Have you guys ever seen terrorist propaganda? It's all about "they are over here messing with our shit so let's go over there and mess with theirs".

 

The other thing is this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/09/sahar-gul-torture-case… With all due respect, MENA culture fucking blows. They make some pretty rugs and whatnot, but the day to day existence of squalid, ignorant, and brutal drudgery they seek to impose through Sharia will go the way of the dodo...and hopefully soon. They're due for a Renaissance, and if they're too pigheaded to do it on their own, we'll take the lead. Join the fucking human race, enough is enough.

Get busy living
 
whatwhatwhat:
^^^

Yeah, dude completely owned him with the "I served and I had two kids and a wife" during the last debate.

^^^ thing is, I don't get why the GOP isn't eating this shit up. They always grandstand the family values and military thing like some kind of fetish, but faced with the real deal they.......turn away. They deserve to lose in 2012.
Get busy living
 
UFOinsider:
whatwhatwhat:
^^^

Yeah, dude completely owned him with the "I served and I had two kids and a wife" during the last debate.

^^^ thing is, I don't get why the GOP isn't eating this shit up. They always grandstand the family values and military thing like some kind of fetish, but faced with the real deal they.......turn away. They deserve to lose in 2012.
To be honest, Paul doesn't make a big deal about it on his own unless it's brought up. It's a very humble approach but not the best for his candidacy. I think he could make a very good ad on that while clarifying his ever-so-media-distorted foreign policy/war views without being too exploitative.
 
melvvvar:
LOL.

Thanks for demonstrating in the most hilarious possible way why schools like yours are called "non-targets."

Explain to me how I "messed up" in your eyes? Because I understand everything I wrote to a science? You are quite frankly a fool. You just think I dont understand I what I wrote because you dont know yourself. Here dumbass have a read of what I illustrated to you earlier. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MULT When it drops below one its due to deleveraging. ARIMA is the auto-regressive integrated moving average. Its used used in time-series. If you dont know what OLS and GLS then you didnt attend a target as you state you have. But theres many different types of OLS--some with incept & without slope, slope and no intercept, and slope+intercept plus issues with hetroskedastcity . You get the fucking idea. I'm not going to write all this shit out to prove to you that I understand it all.

 

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