Picking a major-Classical Studies vs. Econ

I've been trying to decide what to major in...i like econ a lot but I feel that by being a varsity athlete at duke, it will be very hard to get a high gpa with an econ major due to time commitment, training, and general fatigue. Therefore I am thinking about Classical Studies. Studying these civilizations has always been one of my passions, but I don't know how much respect this major gets on the Street. My GPA would be higher with the CLST major: I'm thinking realistically here: 3.2-3.3 in Econ or 3.7-3.8 in Classical Studies. If I didn't get the major in econ, I would still minor in it and take accounting and intermediate finance. I have all the math completed too. If anyone could help me out that would be awesome. Thank you and happy holidays.

 

study what you enjoy, you're probably not gonna have time to study another subject that in depth again. you can definitely get a job with a 3.7-3.8 in classical studies, especially as a varsity athlete. obviously you might have some questions / might be a bit more difficult but i think all else equal that would look better than a 3.2 - 3.3 in econ. but don't underestimate classics, it might not be as easy as you think and you might not get a better GPA vs. if you majored in econ

 

I don't understand people who do classical studies, philosophy, english, etc. majors intending to go into finance. Yeah college is great and about "expanding horizons" and all that crap, but it's really meant to prepare you for the real world. If you want to be a classical studies professor (or a high school history teacher or a researcher) or something like that, then major in that. Otherwise, major in econ because that is what you are going to be doing after you graduate. It will put you in a more flexible position and offer you real life skills that will actually get you a job in a tough economy. For me personally, I don't care if someone has a 4.0 in classical studies, why would I hire that person for a finance job over a 3.3 econ major?

At the end of the day, do what makes you happy, but if the probability of you working in what you're going to major in is essentially zero, then what's the point? Econ is at least a much more flexible major, it can get you much better job offers than a classical studies major (and don't take it for granted that you will get a higher GPA in the "easy" major - for example, I would get As in the hard core finance classes and got a B- in the writing seminar that supposedly everyone gets an A in...).

 
alexpasch:
I don't understand people who do classical studies, philosophy, english, etc. majors intending to go into finance. Yeah college is great and about "expanding horizons" and all that crap, but it's really meant to prepare you for the real world.

This really isn't true AT ALL. Everyone goes to college for his/her own reasons. The idea of going to college for a practical application that would help one professionally is a very novel one. Although I'm going to business school for preprofessional purposes, I still understand and appreciate the joys of academia and scholarship. And if you like that kind of stuff and think you will be able to pull off a good (3.7+) average with it, then I doubt your major is going to be the thing keeping you from getting the job.

 
southernlovr:
alexpasch as an economics major I can say it has not helped me in banking. While it might be more impressive to recruiters it does not help you on the job. Banking is taught on the job, why else do banks take liberal arts majors from williams/amherst?

It's not that simple. Banking is taught on the job but the skill set is quite similar to that in econ. If you're an econ major you will pick up the concepts more quickly as opposed to if you've let the quant side of your brain go to sleep for 4 years by doing a major like classical studies. Also, if you have classical studies, you are more likely to get put into something like sales, which you may not want (econ, again, will provide you more flexibility).

Also, there are certain jobs that will never hire you straight off the bat. Only the largest banks have training programs. I went straight into PE and the fact that I already knew how to do LBO models, could do VBA, etc. was a big reason why I was hired.

Econ will definitely help you in banking, I don't see how you can say that. That's like saying medical school is useless because you learn the actual procedures during residency. It's all about having the best foundation possible.

 
alexpasch:
southernlovr:
alexpasch as an economics major I can say it has not helped me in banking. While it might be more impressive to recruiters it does not help you on the job. Banking is taught on the job, why else do banks take liberal arts majors from williams/amherst?

It's not that simple. Banking is taught on the job but the skill set is quite similar to that in econ. If you're an econ major you will pick up the concepts more quickly as opposed to if you've let the quant side of your brain go to sleep for 4 years by doing a major like classical studies. Also, if you have classical studies, you are more likely to get put into something like sales, which you may not want (econ, again, will provide you more flexibility).

Also, there are certain jobs that will never hire you straight off the bat. Only the largest banks have training programs. I went straight into PE and the fact that I already knew how to do LBO models, could do VBA, etc. was a big reason why I was hired.

Econ will definitely help you in banking, I don't see how you can say that. That's like saying medical school is useless because you learn the actual procedures during residency. It's all about having the best foundation possible.

You realize modeling, corporate finance, accounting, and pretty much everything else you have mentioned have not one thing to do with an economics major, right? Like, literally 0 to do with it at all unless PERHAPS there are some electives only available to econ majors (doubtful) that include those topics, in which case it would still be secondary to the major itself.

His brain will not be asleep if he is actually researching and learning something, especially if the subject interests him. That is just bafflingly silly.

 
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alexpasch:
southernlovr:
alexpasch as an economics major I can say it has not helped me in banking. While it might be more impressive to recruiters it does not help you on the job. Banking is taught on the job, why else do banks take liberal arts majors from williams/amherst?

It's not that simple. Banking is taught on the job but the skill set is quite similar to that in econ. If you're an econ major you will pick up the concepts more quickly as opposed to if you've let the quant side of your brain go to sleep for 4 years by doing a major like classical studies. Also, if you have classical studies, you are more likely to get put into something like sales, which you may not want (econ, again, will provide you more flexibility).

Also, there are certain jobs that will never hire you straight off the bat. Only the largest banks have training programs. I went straight into PE and the fact that I already knew how to do LBO models, could do VBA, etc. was a big reason why I was hired.

Econ will definitely help you in banking, I don't see how you can say that. That's like saying medical school is useless because you learn the actual procedures during residency. It's all about having the best foundation possible.

Right, I'm sure you learned how to build LBO models in your econ classes. As an econ major, I can proudly say that my major was more or less a waste of time. In fact, I'm often depressed by the fact that I didn't study history instead.

 

Didn't he say he'd be minoring in it, had completed his math requirements already, and would be pulling coursework in finance and accounting additionally? Not sure how that constitutes letting the quant side of your brain go dull ...

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A Posse Ad Esse:
Didn't he say he'd be minoring in it, had completed his math requirements already, and would be pulling coursework in finance and accounting additionally? Not sure how that constitutes letting the quant side of your brain go dull ...

My comment was directed more at those that don't do those things (and there are quite a few). I think he should major in econ and minor in classical studies. I knew a Classical Studies major at Penn, bright guy, had a really hard time come recruiting time, and that was back when the economy was good.

 

As a classics, will you be learning Greek and Latin? If so, I'd say go that route. I'm doing both an economics and philosophy minor, so I've dabbled in both. Trust me, you can always learn economics by reading the news, magazines, listening to Bloomberg Radio, etc. I've learned a lot that way, more so than anything in my classes. Studying ancient texts in their original languages would be an incredible opportunity that you would never be able to take advantage of again. I've tried reading Metaphysics in English and, from classics majors I've talked to, it just doesn't do it justice. Being able to read those texts in Greek or Latin will allow you to understand them much better (again, from other students I've talked to who understand these languages).

This is the program, right? http://registrar.duke.edu/bulletins/undergraduate/2008-09/ugbhtml/under…

I don't work in IB so I can't comment on recruiting. However, if you think of your undergraduate education as an end in itself, and not as a means to an end, the choice is easy. Learn what you want to learn; the rest will come if you work at it. Especially coming from a school like Duke.

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
 

What you will learn as an economics major has absolutely nothing to do with banking in the slightest bit. Nothing. Anybody that believes differently is truly delusional. Using lagrangians to maximize utility functions or pretty much anything you do in econometrics has nothing to do with the real world or what you will be doing on the job. Maybe if you are interested in being a quant or getting involved in some sort of research area like that, it would be more useful, but it has nothing to do with banking.

 
Jerome Marrow:
What you will learn as an economics major has absolutely nothing to do with banking in the slightest bit. Nothing. Anybody that believes differently is truly delusional. Using lagrangians to maximize utility functions or pretty much anything you do in econometrics has nothing to do with the real world or what you will be doing on the job. Maybe if you are interested in being a quant or getting involved in some sort of research area like that, it would be more useful, but it has nothing to do with banking.

Since when was banking the be all and end all of finance? Don't you think hedge funds care about economics (specifically global macro funds)? What about the research divisions of banks? I can think of applications in asset management and consulting too...

Name me ONE application of classical studies in the world of finance...

 
alexpasch:
Jerome Marrow:
What you will learn as an economics major has absolutely nothing to do with banking in the slightest bit. Nothing. Anybody that believes differently is truly delusional. Using lagrangians to maximize utility functions or pretty much anything you do in econometrics has nothing to do with the real world or what you will be doing on the job. Maybe if you are interested in being a quant or getting involved in some sort of research area like that, it would be more useful, but it has nothing to do with banking.

Since when was banking the be all and end all of finance? Don't you think hedge funds care about economics (specifically global macro funds)? What about the research divisions of banks? I can think of applications in asset management and consulting too...

Name me ONE application of classical studies in the world of finance...

Well, the reading comprehension skills gained as a classicst would alert one to the fact that one is posting on a banking forum. One might deduce (deduco, deducere, deduxi, deductus) that the OP is interested primarily in banking and not global macro hedge funds.

 

lol I took a substantial sum, only a few away from a second major, of economics courses at one of the best econ programs in the world--I have a pretty good idea of what is covered. There was not a single thing covered in any of those the least bit related to anything in finance.

It isn't the application of classical studies--it is the critical thinking, analysis, and research that you learn as a part of the major. And I'm not arguing about which one is better/worse, just that your original points are completely irrelevant since none of those topics are even touched on in ANY econ major of significance (ie any top econ program).

Most of what you have said is going to help you with econ is: -If relevant to econ at all, can be learned in intro to micro/macro and be done with -Not traditionally considered part of most economics majors -Quantitative aspects can be learned just as well, if not better, through many other subject areas (any hard science, math, stat, etc.) and you can take electives in these as well.

There are plenty of people in research who have non-econ backgrounds. Your points are just horrible dude and not the least bit important for the OP. According to the OP, he has more interest in classical studies, which will likely lead to a better GPA, keep him interested in schoolwork, and teach him plenty critical thinking/etc. and he will be able to take quantitative courses as electives and perhaps some more finance related courses as well. Intro to macro/microecon will cover 95+% of stuff relevant to finance without having to major in the subject (most schools don't even include intro to micro/macro in the major).

 

Although firms claim they don't really care what applicants study, it makes things a lot easier if you study Maths / Business / Economics / etc...

Why not major in Business? It's easier than Economics and still well respected.

 
Walkio:
Although firms claim they don't really care what applicants study, it makes things a lot easier if you study Maths / Business / Economics / etc...

Why not major in Business? It's easier than Economics and still well respected.

You might want to read the thread over again....

 

I think people who look down on majors like classical studies, history, philosophy, etc. don't understand the real value of these degrees. No, it is not as practical as economics for a career in banking, but over the course of your life, I think a more liberal arts/humanities major will be much more valuable. These majors don't just teach you how to think, but studying the classics gives you a certain "depth" or level of insight into people and life that you just can't get from quantitative majors.

 

hey everyone, thank you for all of the responses. I held in an internship after my freshman year in Financial Advising at a BB (think Goldman, UBS, Wells Fargo...). It would have probably helped if I mentioned in my OP that I'd like to get an internship after this year (sophomore) in Asset Management or maybe Banking. I also have 2 years of real investing experience, which is "teaching me the game" (Livermore). I'm the first in my family to go to college that's why I'm a little unsure of how this process works. I apologize for not mentioning the specifics in my previous post. All responses have been helpful. Thanks again.

 

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