Those who haven't been living under a rock have probably heard talk in the news about systematic, state-directed mistreatment of ethnic Uighurs (Muslim faith) in the Xinjiang province of China. Big Brother-style police-state, Communist indoctrination, forced renunciation of Islamic faith and culture, etc.
Obviously these actions should be condemned, and pressure applied by the international community to improve conditions for the Uighur minorities.
HOWEVER.... Is this really a responsible characterization of the issue?? Reuters Article
--- **"The comments by Randall Schriver, who leads Asia policy at the U.S. Defense Department, are likely to increase tension with Beijing, which is sensitive to international criticism and describes the sites as vocational education training centers aimed at stemming the threat of Islamic extremism."
“The (Chinese) Communist Party is using the security forces for mass imprisonment of Chinese Muslims in concentration camps,” Schriver told a Pentagon briefing during a broader discussion about China’s military"** ----
Who the fuck is this guy, and why is he comparing the actions of the Chinese government to concentration camps (I.e., mass genocide)? Have they found evidence of gas chambers, smoke stacks, mounds of dead bodies, etc.? A far more reasonable comparison would be to Japanese American internment camps in the 40s,
I'm all for drawing attention to human rights abuses occurring around the world -- but doing so requires pragmatism and a delicate touch, as well as the basic recognition that it is not a good idea to needlessly embarrass in the media your most important geopolitical counterpart.
End rant...
I really don't see the issue with what China's doing. While the vast majority of ethnic Uighurs are innocent, a few extremists did go out and commit acts of domestic terrorism in the name of Allah. Anybody that is familiar with Islam and Communism/Chinese culture knows that they are polar opposites on the political/cultural spectrum. Even before the CCP came to power, China has generally been hostile to foreign religious groups.
China's treatment of the Uighur's is more of a message to the Islamic world not to try anything stupid within its borders. It's also suppose to send a message to other minority groups to get in line.
杀鸡吓猴 - a very famous idiom in China, translates to "killing the chicken to scare the monkey" or "to punish an individual as an example to others"
Three aspect working against the Uighur's is - Islamic based societies don't have a great human rights track record either - The most powerful muslim countries (Saudi Arabia, Iran) have been silent. - The current US administration has the appearance of being hostile to Islam, and so any US response towards China will be viewed as more self-serving than an actually genuine concern over humans rights abuse.
Don't think I've ever seen a more retarded political analysis than this. From thinking it's normal to lock up people because of their religion "to send a message" all the way up to the CCP using attacks on human rights as an argument to lock up Muslims. Are you a Chinese troll?
I really don't think you even read what I wrote.
Am I Chinese troll? No. And if I was I wouldn't waste it on an off-topic finance forum. However, as an American, I have worked/lived in China in the past and have a far better understanding of how China and Asia works than 99% of the people on this forum. The other 1% have actually done business or lived in China/Asia.
It shows you have zero experience over there because East Asians generally don't have a positive view of Islam and their lifestyles goes against many of the key tenants of Islam. I doubt the Han Chinese living in Xinjiang are going to give up their baijiu to appease a bunch of muslims. In fact what started this whole conflict was a clash between Han Chinese culture and the Uyghurs interpretation of sharia law. It didn't use to be a problem, but due to China's BRI more and more han chinese have moved west for work.
Second, you show you're a moron by not even understanding that one of they key ideas of communism is atheism and the elimination of religion. The CCP has allowed some organized religion to operate (though its run by the state). Islam on the other hand believes the state and Islam must be one (the Islamic state/theocratic government). So we obviously have contradictory ideologies, and considering this is in China and the CCP is in charge, its not going to end well for the minority group. Last i checked, the CCP isn't known for being too friendly to political dissent. The concept of oppressing religion in China has existed long before the US was a country. Countries in Asia have had a long history of oppressing minority groups, and while that doesn't justify what the CCP is doing, its a reality the world will have to deal with.
Third.""to send a message" all the way up to the CCP using attacks on human rights as an argument to lock up Muslims." - Your quote makes zero fucking sense and i apologize that you interpreted it that way. China is quite provincial and the CCP is paranoid about separatist movements. Yes, they're using their treatment of the Uyghurs as a reminder to other groups to keep in line and not test the CCP. If you looked at a map of China you notice that Tibet is next door to Xinjiang and China doesn't even want to risk having any form of separatism expanding out west. There have also been separatist movements in Xinjiang in the past (1940s-1950's)
I'm not justifying what China is doing, but if Uyghur muslims thought the CCP was going to be sympathetic to their culture and desire for autonomy, then they were very mistaken.
Try not to view the world through a American/Disney fairy tale lens. Its a cruel world out there and most governments will do anything to crush dissent. "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down" is a popular view shared by governments and the general public in Asia .
We're clearly on completely different wavelengths. I'm not criticizing your analysis on China, I agree on practically all your points in above post. I'm criticizing your moral positioning. Saying that "you don't really see the issue with what China's doing" is despicable.
Ahh ok. I see where you're coming from. First off, i apologize for cursing you out (its been a long day).
Second, I should have been clear in where I was coming from. Of course I'm very much morally opposed to what the CCP is doing. The majority of Uyghurs are innocent and are being punished for crimes committed by extremists in their community.
I was speaking mainly from a strategic/geopolitical viewpoint, in which I don't think it is a big issue. My reasoning is that any group in mainland china that tries to form a separatist movement is going to face the full-force of the CCP. Uyghur extremists planted bombs on busses and committed mass stabbings. Not a good strategy to win the hearts and minds of the international community. They also should have known that attempting to implement Sharia law was going to receive a fierce push back.
One can see the support Hong Kong received from the international community compared to the support the Uyghurs received and its very telling that most the world could care less what happens to them.
If the Uyghur extremists didn't commit acts of domestic terrorism in the name of allah, I'd bet their entire community would't be in concentration/re-education camps.
"Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order."
Seems exactly like what this is.
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