Poor? Cool, free cell phone then!

https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Safelink/home

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_0…

So now tax payer dollars are supporting free cell phones? I mean WTF did the poor do years ago before cell phones. Must of curled up and died or something.

Wow. USA is going broke yet we keep layering on the luxuries.

Discuss.

 
ANT:
https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Safelink/home

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_04/b4212019667595.htm

So now tax payer dollars are supporting free cell phones? I mean WTF did the poor do years ago before cell phones. Must of curled up and died or something.

Wow. USA is going broke yet we keep layering on the luxuries.

Discuss.

USA would not be in debt if it weren't for all these entitlement programs like welfare, food stamps, free housing for the poor (20 % of new built rich buildings must be poor people in order to build), free education, etc.

 
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MiamiThrice:

USA would not be in debt if it weren't for all these entitlement programs like welfare, food stamps, free housing for the poor (20 % of new built rich buildings must be poor people in order to build), free education, etc.

First off, 45 million Americans are on food stamps, and they have a multiplier of 1.45 (I believe this is the highest multiplier for any government program). Food money gets poured right back into American food and produce, which goes into American fertilizer and farm equipment, etc. If the government did not provide these people with food, businesses would probably need to hire armed guards to patrol their store, which would increase costs, which would act as a tax on every customer. So this solution is more elegant, it feeds people, and it keeps the economy stronger than it would otherwise be.

Also, the government would probably run a deficit either way, even if these programs didn't exist. The Bush tax cuts and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were the single greatest contributors to the deficit. Just take a look at this chart: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-chart-that-shou…

As for mobile phones, I am going to agree with ANT, this is crossing the line. Liberals are arrogant and believe that they can control lives better than people. They buy votes with free cell phones, and I absolutely agree that they would not want the people receiving these phones to be living next door to them. I was in Trenton, NJ tonight and the place is an absolute shithole: some good DEMS did for that city.

looking for that pick-me-up to power through an all-nighter?
 

Mind you I am not necessarily against this. If you want the poor to get a job they need a mailing address and phone to call.

What I think would be revolutionary is a charity that allows homeless or really poor to have a mailbox and a google voice account. That way they could apply for jobs and keep in touch with family. It is real hard to get a job when you have no phone to put down and no address to list on the application.

With that said, I think this program is another example of the generosity of the USA. How dare people bitch when the rich want a little tax cut considering the multitude of freebies given to those down in luck.

 
ANT:
Mind you I am not necessarily against this. If you want the poor to get a job they need a mailing address and phone to call.

What I think would be revolutionary is a charity that allows homeless or really poor to have a mailbox and a google voice account. That way they could apply for jobs and keep in touch with family. It is real hard to get a job when you have no phone to put down and no address to list on the application.

With that said, I think this program is another example of the generosity of the USA. How dare people bitch when the rich want a little tax cut considering the multitude of freebies given to those down in luck.

Agreed. This is one of those things that seems outrageous when you read the headline but makes more sense when you think about it.

Honestly, nobody really has a land-line nowadays and cellphones haven't been a luxury since the early 90s. To be completely honest, the article is too long and I'm not reading it, but there may be good justification for this. If there's empirical evidence that giving an unemployed person a cellphone makes the X times likelier to get off of unemployment and is more cost-effective than keeping them on unemployment for a longer period of time, then I'm all for it.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
 
sayandarula:
ANT:
Mind you I am not necessarily against this. If you want the poor to get a job they need a mailing address and phone to call.

What I think would be revolutionary is a charity that allows homeless or really poor to have a mailbox and a google voice account. That way they could apply for jobs and keep in touch with family. It is real hard to get a job when you have no phone to put down and no address to list on the application.

With that said, I think this program is another example of the generosity of the USA. How dare people bitch when the rich want a little tax cut considering the multitude of freebies given to those down in luck.

Agreed. This is one of those things that seems outrageous when you read the headline but makes more sense when you think about it.

Honestly, nobody really has a land-line nowadays and cellphones haven't been a luxury since the early 90s. To be completely honest, the article is too long and I'm not reading it, but there may be good justification for this. If there's empirical evidence that giving an unemployed person a cellphone makes the X times likelier to get off of unemployment and is more cost-effective than keeping them on unemployment for a longer period of time, then I'm all for it.

A cell phone is not a luxury? YOu're right since the poor now have big screens, cable, etc. I'm sorry, but that is complete bullshit. If you feel that way you're free to go out and start handing phones to bums on the street corner. Don't rob me to provide for them.

While I'm at it, fuck liberals, fuck socialists, fuck marxists and fuck communists. Fuck those poor motherfuckers who pull up in a car nicer than mine and pay with their Lonestar Card (Texas Program) or food stamps.

The social experiment has failed! Keynesian economics have failed. I can't wait till the conservative Republicans crush the dems next year and dismantle entitlements. Time to let people know you have to work to live and eat what you kill.

 

I think that there should be a way for the poor to have a phone of some sort. But personal cell phones seem a little exuberant. Welfare spending isn't the only thing that got us into debt, DoD spending, foreign aid, SS, etc. aren't really entitlement programs and account for much of the debt. Damn...I sound like a dirty liberal.

Reality hits you hard, bro...
 
ANT:
DoD is 20% of the budget and an actual job of the Federal Government. Entitlement programs are not.

DoD is less than 4.6% of GDP. The military isn't causing this mess.

I'm not saying that it is the reason. But it can still be a piece of the puzzle. There are so many unnecessary expenditures in the defense budget that I think we can cut a few. Many of the actions of the DoD are outdated (navy- dont shoot me) or overly expensive (no bid contracts). But I do think that the usual suspects, Medicare, Medicaid, SS, welfare, foreign aid, etc. are the problem as well. The crux of the matter is that tax and spend liberals believe that the government is there to protect you from yourself, protect you from failure, and to think for you because you are far too stupid to do it yourself. On the other hand Republicans need to wise up to the fact that the DoD isn't the hallmark of efficiency and there is fat to be trimmed.

Reality hits you hard, bro...
 

Yeah man. Liberals like paying poor people so they can control them. That is all it is. If you think for a moment Pelosi wants inner city people living near her or going to school with her family, you are nuts. More taxes means more power for the government. More entitlements means more power to those who provide the entitlements.

It is all about control. Smaller government, libertarian beliefs is about not controlling people. People should keep what they earn, should be able to maximize liberty. This doesn't benefit politicians because they cannot manipulate free people.

Control man, cornerstone of the liberal ideology.

 

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