MBA Prep
Starting my MBA this fall and have already completed the MBAMath.com curriculum -- found it really helpful since I haven't used my Math/Excel skills in years (or really ever...) Is there anything else you guys would recommend to help me get a head start on this stuff? Aiming for an IB internship next summer so any program targeted towards the skills I'll need for that would be great. Thanks.
Buy a Break Into Wall Street package
Yup
There's a a pre-MBA program called PracticeMBA.com -- for newly admitted MBAs to get a head start on the program. It is run by a very good guy, Ivan Kerbel. (www.practicemba.com).
Good to hear real-time good things about MBAmath.com I too have heard tremendous things about MBAmath.com and the course is tremendous value for money. I do know someone who took it to show his math smarts (no quant background) and got into Sloan. The guy who runs it is Peter Regan. http://www.mbamath.com/peterreganbio.htm --He is very approachable and down to earth.
It probably makes sense to look into some MOOCs on business stats if you haven't done that before. And, if you haven't done any accounting or corporate financial reporting classes -- that would be really good. I took accounting before b-school (me too from non-quant) and it was super super helpful in getting a head start for finance. Ended up on Wall Street, so I cannot complain.
UPDATE: And yes, you could buy a package -- especially one run buy WSO
here's some info on which one http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/financial-modeling-training
Thanks...from the link Betsy provided, it seems like Wall Street Prep is the better program given that its actually used by banks to train analysts and associates. Any reason why you would recommend Breaking into Wall Street over Wall Street Prep?
What else can I do to prepare for business school? (M7) (Originally Posted: 04/07/2015)
Upcoming 3rd year Analyst in NYC. I attend to apply for MBA business schools">M7 MBA programs in 2017, so I have a little time to build my profile some more. Aside from the obvious such as focusing on work and getting good recs and GMAT prep, what else can I do? I've began to do some volunteering and have accumlated over 20 hours so far.
Although I am looking to get more involved, I dont want to appear as if I am doing things just to put it on my MBA app. I am sure ad coms will see right through that. Thanks
Schools tout community service but I saw a statistic somewhere showing extracurriculars as the least important factor for adcoms. Empirically I'd agree. You have to have SOMETHING, but unless you started an international nonprofit with media coverage or some other crazy stint 20 hours compared to 80 hours isn't going to make a huge deal. They just want to make sure you have some depth to you.
I'd focus instead on developing one or two more really interesting work related bullet points for the resume. A much better differentiator. That's something you definitely have time to do that won't look squeezed in last minute.
MBA starts in a month. How to prepare? (Originally Posted: 09/02/2010)
Hey guys,
My MBA course is about to start in a month. I am busy with arranging everything for the move, so I don't have much time these days. Nevertheless, I would like to get prepared to what is expecting me there. Could you give me any suggestions, or recommend any book which I should catch time to read or to prepare in any other sense for the whole experience that is ahead of me. The business school that I got into is one of the world's leading, the program takes one year and I am interested for a finance career afterwards. I am in my mid twenties.
I guess that the most important part of the program are networking events. I could probably say that I don't have much experience in that. Maybe that is a good place to start the preparation, but what to do about it?
In the past month I went frequently to practices of a team sport which I heard is often played at that school among students. I suck at it, but plan to give it a shot when I get there.
How would you suggest me to use the remaining month so I am fully prepared when the course starts?
I am curios to hear the comments.
"a team sport which I heard is often played at that school among students. " Are you a real person? That's the dorkiest explanation of athletics I've ever heard.
I'm assuming this is a foreign MBA program given the late start. I'll be done with my first quarter by the time you begin.
Nothing to do to prepare. Relax. There will be plenty of reading once you get there. If they have a math camp, that might be worth attending. Or you could do mbamath.com. Otherwise I would just rest up.
If I said which sport is that it would have been obvious which is the school.
So, I should expect lots of drinking there? Had no idea about that, but I like it.
get high get drunk get laid
and then keep that momentum going when school starts
-GFY
It's just like college...but you're older. So yes...lots and lots of drinking.
Freshman in college looking at business schools already? Prepare early? (Originally Posted: 09/11/2014)
Hi, so I just started college actually about a few weeks ago and I'm already thinking about business school. I live in Florida and I go to a small private university. Though the business school here is good, I feel like for the career I want, financial analyzing, investment banking, or corporate finance, I need to be in New York City to pursue that. I know thinking about business school may be a little too early, but I would just like to know so I remain on track. I'm really interested in Columbia. I have been on their site and looked at the class profile. Is there really anything I should do now as a freshman in college, besides maintain a good gpa? Maybe start studying for the GMAT? I plan on studying over in London at LSE for a summer next year. I also plan on taking internships later, once I have taken the right business classes.
good on you for thinking about this stuff but I hope to Christ you are enjoying being a freshman a bit. go to parties, get drunk, get laid, play sports, whatever, have some fun. college is a great time (not going with the cliche "best years of your life") but it doesn't last forever.
ok, onto your question. I'd focus first on getting your ideal job, and the way to do it if you go to a small school is through your alumni network. if possible, look at getting an internship at a small firm (IB, PE, HF, AM, something). It will be very difficult to get something at a bigger firm being a freshman, unless it's PWM and those internships are worthless unless you want to do PWM (I know, I work in PWM and also interned there).
don't worry about b school just yet, because that's usually a post-career type gig. focus on a few things in college and just see where it takes you:
Ah thank you so much for replying and for including helpful information! Appreciate it!
You may not get any internships as a freshman but I'd be as proactive as possible. There are many threads and resources on this site devoted to resumes, networking, internships, interviews, GMAT prep and grad school. You'll be starting out with a lot more knowledge to work off of than your peers. Just be sure to enjoy college.
Way too early. As previous posted, focus on GPA, internships, and having fun without getting arrested (very important).
Don't do GMAT now; the score is only good for 5 years and you're at least 6 years away from applying.
Senior in College: How to Best Prepare for Buyside & B-School? (Originally Posted: 10/19/2014)
Hey guys,
So I start at a top BB next year out of a semi-target, and I want to make something productive of my copious free time I'm having so far my senior year. What are some of the best ways I can position myself for the buyside and business school while lounging in the last of my halcyon days?
Now, I'm going to preempt all of the obligatory and inevitable, "bro, you should be balling out, getting laid, doing blow, etc"; I'm already doing all of that (less the blow) and still have a lot of excess time (Protip, juniors: if you can, finish your major coursework early). The time I'd be devoting to this would not be mutually exclusive to going hard and meeting women.
Now that we have that cleared up, are there any books I could be reading/guides I could study/gmat prep books I should invest in? I'm not sure if I want to go to B-school, but I feel like it's not a bad idea for my situation to leave this door open. I am very confident I want to do private equity or corporate development, so I would like to ideally position myself for this first.
Thank you for your time guys, and I look forward to the feedback!
If you are considering b-school, take the GMAT. Much easier when you have time now than when you're busy working full-time and trying to juggle extracurricular activities outside work etc
bumppp
GMAT, networking, possibly adding something unique to differentiate yourself from the other applicants (at least for bschool) like having climbed Everest/toured the world/board of a charity/etc.
What legitimate charity would want a college kid student with no work experience on their board?
Is it too early to start networking with buyside shops? What would be a good way to go about it, just the good ol cold call or e-mail? There's a lot of buyside shops that specialize within the coverage vertical I'll be working in, so I feel that may actually work.
My guess is too early from a give me a job perspective, but I'm a huge proponent/fan of long-term networking (ie actually building relationships with people you genuinely like over time versus just reaching out to people hoping they'll help you get a job) so I would definitely try to reach out to people, if only to learn more about how much you'd actually be interested in the buy-side (if you don't know for sure and are just basing it on a passing interest and consensus).
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Prepping myself for B-school (Originally Posted: 01/02/2008)
I'll be joining a MM PE firm with decent, but not huge name recognition come next summer. I am looking to perfect my B-school application and plan to apply to start in Fall 2011.
Current credentials
Top 10 non-Ivy undergrad Hard sciences major, will likely graduate with honors - Phi Beta Kappa 3.8 790 on the GMAT Did a consulting internship at a top firm Decent extracurriculars - leadership positions in several clubs, undergrad research etc.
I have a 3 year contract, but I might try switching to a bigger fund after one or two years. The firm I will be working at has a lot of people from top B-schools, but they generally don't take undergrads so I don't know how I will fare. Is switching worth it? Are the bigger PE funds that much better in placing analysts into top B-schools than the MM firms? Is it worth switching or should I stick it out and getting glowing recommendations?
What can one do while working to increases chances of getting into a top B-school? Also, should I apply after 2 years so I can enter after 3 years of WE (age 25) or go for the "sweet-spot" 4 years of WE and try to find something else (another PE firm/industry job) after my current stint?
Also, I've been looking at some of the essay questions and they're pretty open ended. I've been recommended to hare an admissions consultant or one of those essay editors. Are they worth it?
I am basically targeting Harvard, Stanford, and Wharton.
I would stick with your current firm and just work your ass off to get glowing recs, advance in responsibility (a smaller firm will probably allow you to do this better), etc. Also, don't forget to keep doing ECs after college. Do community service, join an intramural sports club, edit an independent newspaper, start a blog, whatever. Just make sure you can show the schools that your life isn't just work and nothing else.
Definately have some EC's. It doesn't really matter what it is as long as it's meaningful and something you enjoy. These are great for essay topics as well. I think I wrote about tutoring in all of my applications.
As for admission consultants, it depends. I have okay, but not great writing skills. However, I was fortunate enough to have several friends that write for a living (journalist, tech writer) etc as well as some b-school alum to edit and help me with my essays so I didn't feel like I needed a consultant. If, however, you don't have anyone it might be a good idea for at least the first set of essays. Essay writing is very different from the writing I've done for work.
You might also consider expanding you school list. H/S are basically a shot in the dark no matter what your profile is. Your chances get a lot better with the rest of the MBA business schools">M7 and chicago/columbia/kellogg etc are still great schools.
This is somewhat unrelated, but how do bankers find the time to have ECs while working 75-100 hours a week?
bumping to get some feedback from MBAApply.
also, i am doing a thesis now. don't know if i'll finish it. does a Thesis help on the 'academic side' of things? i think it gets me 'Honors' in the major.
think i am going to stick with my little firm. i've gotten to know the folks there better (informal dinners, they flew me out) and they're awesome.
Thesis isn't really a factor at all -- it might seem like a big deal to you now because you're in the middle of it, but with time chances are (especially a few years from now) it won't be a big deal to you either.
As for the firm, if it feels good, stick with it. In small workplaces such as PE funds, it's essential that you get along or even enjoy the people you work with or work for -- otherwise, it'll be a very miserable experience (it's cabin fever because you see the same small group of people for long periods of time of the business day). And if it's a miserable experience, you'll have a tough time doing well at work (and getting folks to be enthusiastic recommendation letter writers for you) let alone even keeping your job - no matter how renowned the fund. Not saying that a fund's reputation isn't important (because the more renowned funds tend to get access to the better deals), but so is fit. It's a balance of both.
Again, if you're gut says that it's a good place to be, trust your gut.
Alex Chu
Preparaion for business school? (Originally Posted: 02/28/2011)
Hello, I am currently working full-time and considering the option to go to business school in the next 3 years. Hopefully I can get some advices on how I should prepare.
Background: International student from East Asia, bachelor and master degree in computer science from UPenn and currently working full-time (more than a year since graduation) for Microsoft/Google .
Long-term career goal: I want to go back to Asia and do (management consulting for technology companies + probably start up my own company later.) Before that, I hope gainning another 3-4 years working experience in US IT industry, and going to business school after that.
I have a passion for my goal cuz I have seen numerous IT startups with briliant technical talents and great ideas failed due to lack fo market/financial knowledge, which happens even more often in Asia than US. I want to apply my technical experience and (propably business knowledge from attending b-school) to help convert great engineering innovation into successful products/companies.
Say if I want to work another 3.5 years from now, and target going to business school in 2014. Here are some of my concerns:
I knew from the day 1 that business school value leadership experiences, so I worked hard and practiced my communication/leadership skills. I managed to get promoted after one year. However, honestly speaking, it's nearly impossible for me to get promoted to any management/leadership role in 4 years @ MS/Google. (Even for team lead, since they recruit the smartest mind in industry and competition is really fierce. Personally I have never seen someone from college promoted into management role in 6 years.) So my question is, does it make sense for me to join a smaller company where I have better chance to get more leadership experience?
I have taken some Wharton mba-level courses when studying at Penn, and I quite like the learning experience. I would really appreciate if anyone can share their experience on a two-year full-time program?
Does my career path (4-5 years engineering role in IT industry -> business school -> consulting for IT companies -> probably starting my own or joining VC) seem realistic? Does b-school worth the opportunity cost (giving up a 100K+ job)? In both short-term and long-term, how does it compare to moving back without attending b-school?
What's my chance of getting into a top 15 program coming from a technology background? I am not heading to b-school for IB/PE but brand name does play a great role in Asia. If my chance is low would you please suggest what i need to improve in the next 3 years?
I am currently working in US but my goal is doing consulting back in Asia. Do business schools consider me in the pool of international applicants or US applicants? Will it affect my application?
Thanks in advance! Hopefully I can get some guildances for early preparation.
Here is my opinion: 1- Therein your decision to go to B-school. Leadership does not have to be work related; actually they expect it to be something else. You can create a group (choose your affinity) a your work place and lead it. You can lead groups already established. You can teach as a part of the on boarding program at your job. You can have leadership role at charitable activities. etc. etc.
2- More mature discussions than your undergrad level courses.
3- Very feasible. Actually it is a very safe route. VC down the road is another beast, B-school will not make a huge impact, at least right now. Opportunity cost: yes/no, it depends on what you want to do. If you are entering a field where MBAs are not needed. Why bother then?
4- Can't tell whether your chances are low or high. I don't see your stats, and the admission process is quite strange. Leadership activities would help. 700+ GMAT. And maybe applying after 4 years not 6 or 7. Anyway, ask the admission consultants in this website.
5- Your nationality. But again why bother knowing all that? If you are good you will get in, if not, you will not get in.
Hope it helps
Hi iwagj87,
Thanks for posting.
Business schools are looking for a record of excellence; this can seen in a larger or smaller company. If you are interested in pursuing a startup, do so because of the passion you have for the company, not to impress an MBA admissions team.
Studies have shown top MBA programs to have a strong return on investment. Your career path seems very realistic.
Have you taken the gmat test yet?
If you are not a US citizen, you will be considered an international candidate.
I hope this was of help. Please let me know if I can answer any other questions.
Best,
Conrad
Business school prep (Originally Posted: 03/11/2013)
I'm an undergrad (will graduate 2015/16), thinking about possibly applying for 2+2 and similar B-school programs next year/soon. Just wanted to get some thoughts about what ECs and internships/ experience will make a strong application. Background: Maths/Science subject at undergrad at a good uni. Should get good grades hopefully (although I'm unsure how this will convert into GPA).
Some points I am thinking about: 1) I have/ will have some finance/ consulting-related work experience with some well-known. I understand 2+2 (for example) is for people not otherwise into these sectors, so should I give little importance to these?
2) What kind of work experience would be looked upon favorably.
3) Around uni, what kind of ECs will go down well. I would have thought VP/Prez of student societies might come into this, but surely most people can exaggerate and pull this off? What would be considered as something exceptional (and feasible).
Thanks. I am totally inexperienced with b-schools, so any help much appreciated.
Why specifically do you want an MBA? Especially so early on?
the magic formula is: great gpa and GMAT, ECs that include volunteering, leadership, and personal development (the more interesting the better), internships and/or work experience that show good progression and support your career goals/story-and essays that drive this point home. Ideally you want to work somewhere known-think fortune 500s, banks, the biggest non-profits, etc Schools love to say that their students come from the best companies in the world-read any student profile from a b-school website and you'll see "previous employer" listed somewhere. Keep in mind there are no guarantees in this game, but hitting each one of these thresholds should at least get you interviews.
The rest is nailing those interviews.
to more directly answer your question...volunteer. tutoring underprivileged kids is a great one. also join professional groups and honor societies that will offer opportunities to run for and obtain leadership positions. If possible, start something on your own as well ( be sure to paint a picture of it growing from an idea to reality). These schools want to see that you're an asset to your community, because the more active you are outside of work/academics, the more active you'll be in b-school AND out in the real world as a rep of said b-school. They want to know that you can be their marketing tool and cash cow for your entire career.
Having an internship in IBD or MBB or Big Engineering Firm High GPA (Close to 3.9+/4.0) Leadership experience and strong extracurr activities
This isn't true. The Harvard 2+2 program is indeed for people who have some experience in and aptitude for business. To get in, it isn't required to have had business experience, but successful applicants have have had a lot of leadership, for example having run a complex student organization. Yes, there are some students by their junior year in college who have already either built for profit or non profit organizations. That's what the HBS 2+2 is really looking for, someone who has either done that, or is the kind of person who would normally have done that if they weren't doing something else amazing.
Am I depressing you yet? HBS 2+2 is actually quite a bit more competitive than the regular application process to HBS, since they are looking for much stronger patterns of historical success.
Rather than focus on the far-in the distance MBA, you should see what you can do to excel in your university career academically, as you suggested you would. Consulting and finance are great ways to get prepared to go to business school. You will also work with people who already have their MBA and you will learn more about how the degree can help you. And yes, you should get involved in student activities,challenge yourself personally and academically, and also make sure you are involved in teams of any kind. Either team sports or community-related teams.
Hope this is a start for you -- feel free to visit over at my Q&A thread if you have other questions.
Thanks for the replies all. This is all still very speculative thinking, but I want to be prepared if I do choose to apply at some point. I will look into/ continue looking into some of the points mentioned.
Thanks for the reply. Sounds tough as expected! I thought as it's mostly for college students, it would be an opportunity missed if I did not apply. If I do apply next year say, would I be able to reapply to 2+2 or to HBS later on (or would my previous outcome be taken into consideration). Also, can GMAT be taken more than once (can only best score submitted)?
You absolutely can apply after 2 years' work experience, but not to anything but the regular program because the 2+2 program is only for current college students who will be able to defer.
They are even worried that the message is out that "it's now or never." Dee Leopold (head of admissions) has said in a webinar,
[quote]"if anyone applies during there is no stigma about reapplying later. One of the real dangers, that [people think that] if you are not admitted to 2+2, which is a tiny program, we hate to think that you might go away and never think of yourself as a candidate for HBS. We already have people matriculating who apply during regular process after being turned down.{/quote]
and you can take the GMAT as much as you want. They will only look at the highest combined score. Remember that the scores do expire after 5 years.
How to better prepare for MBA (Originally Posted: 06/28/2016)
Hi guys,
I got about 5-6 months until I start my mba program (Canadian school)
Just wanted to ask your opinions on how to be better 'prepared' so that I can participate in class discussions and talk 'business' etc.
Some suggestions to me were:
A) CFA L1 - one of my mentors mentioned to me that studying for CFA level 1 would be helpful during mba as it would give me a good foundation of finance, accounting and econ.
B) Books & self-study - Just reading variety of books (business, science, econ etc), case studies/business articles from HBR magazine, and books on improving soft skills (eg ,communication and presentation etc)
I am leaning towards option 'B' because I don't plan to work in finance, nor do i have work experience in that sector. In addition, it would be best to go through all levels of CFA, rather than just one.
Which option will be a better to utilize my time? Please share your thoughts and experiences.
Advice appreciated.
HBX core seriously. it's a pretty thorough pre-MBA program itself and it's like 10-15 weeks depending on the format. about zero background required
Cheaper options include 6 months of Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg.com / Other financial press - read Daily. Most business intuitions are also from very Introductory economics - macroeconomics & microeconomics. Tons of those on Coursera/EdX for free with audit options
Unless you're interested in Finance particularly, CFA L1 is likely a grind.
I'd actually recommend both, especially if you can grab one of the discounts on WSJ/Bloomberg/Economist. HBX will help prep you from an academic standpoint; the publications that are read by many post-MBAs will help frame the real-world issues you'll likely be discussing through case work/strategy and ops classes/case competitions.
Also -- enjoy yourself over the next few months. BSchool is fun and you'll learn a lot, but there will absolutely be those few weeks every semester/trimester/quarter when you ask yourself "wtf did I do this for, again?" Hang tough -- it's absolutely worth it, but those weeks will happen.
Thanks. I will check it out.
B-school prep: the 8 things you must do this summer (Originally Posted: 03/06/2012)
Previously I laid out the first stage of a six-month crash course for those of you who aren’t excessively privileged but somehow managed to get into a top business school anyway. Day 1 was the first seven things you need to do in order to survive and thrive. Now, welcome to steps 8-15… and some advice for special cases at the end.
Phase II: May – June
8: Get ready to spend like you’ve never spent before. Start taking out credit card applications. If you want to roll correct in b-school, you will spend a lot of time on airplanes and in foreign countries.
9: If you’re a chick, start working on your hotness. You gotta shed any remaining evidence of late night dates with Seamless. If you’re a dude, it’s your call.
10: Go ahead and get your breakup over with. You need to be in prime condition for August. If you’re a dude, start dating undergrads. If a chick, start working on your drunken one-night-stands. Practice makes perfect.
Phase III: July-August
11: In b-school, you may need to respond to 30+ emails per day. Learn to treat each email like a GMAT question: if you don’t know what to say after 75 seconds, enter something random and move on. Just like the GMATs, people’s expectations of you will then decline to a more comfortable level. (You’ll find that this critical technique is still in use by most managing directors.)
12: Scour the internet for politically incorrect T-shirts. Remember, it’s only offensive if you say it out loud.
13: Penis jokes. Learn them, craft them, perfect them. I’m not kidding. This is not optional.
14: If you're a chick: buy sexy costumes. Lots of them. Sexy nurse, sexy teacher, sexy TSA agent. You will use them, I promise. If you're a dude: don't bother. A pizza box is all you need.
15: Do not travel right before b-school, even though your more privileged counterparts will. You need to save your money and energy for the real deal.
Special cases:
Asian? Definitely go with the Westernized name for b-school. Don’t choose it based on the sound of your real name, or you’ll end up being one out of twelve Asian chicks named Jenny in your school. Or you’ll end up with something like Wanda or Morton, which is probably worse.
Harvard undergrad? Brush up on those signaling skills. You need to ensure that no one ever forgets that you went to Harvard, but you can’t say the words “Harvard,” “Cambridge,” or “Near Boston”. (If you’re going to HBS, it’s fair game.)
New Yorker? Lose the hipper-than-you attitude. Nobody likes to hang with New York douches in business school. Even the New York douches don’t like each other. (But what if you go to Columbia? Douche away, comforted by the knowledge that many of your classmates could have gone to a better school but chose to stay in New York instead. Unfortunately, all of them are tools.)
And finally, some last minute advice:
Love,
Bankerella
Damn, and I thought the first one was bad...wish I didn't spend all my monkey shit on Ant.
Where is the promised pic?
So I shouldn't take the six-country month-long Asia excursion right before school?
Damn, ruin my July plans.
Thanks,
Hipper-Than-YOU New Yorker
Phase IV: Can't shed that reputation you've "worked" so hard to build during your "career"
This can't be serious. This made front page? I thought WSO was better than that.
I thought WSO posters were better than that.
This has to be facetious.
In before Brady.
Awesome!!!!
c'mon guys, this IS facetious. well i thought it was funny...
oh, and i don't look nearly as good in a pizza box.
I loled.
I don't get people that make fun of humorous joke posts. I'm guessing you would prefer posts on how to ask recruiters about DCF models.
Finance is full of weirdos...just enjoy the humor it was good
This is actually not really facetious. Hyperbole, but not facetious.
Nice, got my Halloween costume. Which pizza brand box is most prestigious??
I liked the post. Haters need to chill out.
The thread is lame as hell. Does it mean that the author is lame as hell? No.
I just feel like the post is out of touch with the current realities.
''13: Penis jokes. Learn them, craft them, perfect them. I’m not kidding. This is not optional.'' Penis jokes? Really? Are we back in high school? I mean, I'm about to drop half a mil on a b-school and I'm suppose to laugh at a penis joke?
ANYWAYS,
lol
what does the op have to do here? Switch to .5 size font that says "penis jokes not actually required for business school success"? ugh
Is she your sister or something? Look, if it's lame, it's lame, ok? Posting a lame/akward thread can happen to anyone.
End this thread !!!! haha
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