From Twitter:
"3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000..."
Maybe he knows something that the rest of us do not know...
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Can we all admit that, whether or not we like his policies, the guy is a callous asshole and an overall terrible person? Can we just do that? I wish some of his supporters would just level with me and say "idc that he is a terrible person and a man-child as long as he cuts taxes, deregulates, minimizes illegal immigration, and appoints conservative supreme court justices".
That sums up my feelings on him 100% (it goes well beyond that but I would always admit that he's not a good person, childish, and I wish someone in the WH could disable ALL of his social media).
You actually met a Trump supporter that said Trump is a great person?
Too many, most? I'd say most.
I think he's a bully. I also think that under Obama political correctness has become so obnoxious and liberals have become so intolerant that you deserve someone that treats you the same way you treat conservatives, because let's face it, you are not going to stop. The attacks by liberals against 1st and 2nd amendment, national borders, white people, males, heterosexuals have gone beyond the level of peaceful coexistence.
If liberals were willing to expel the radicals from their ranks and I mean specifically the SJWs, then I think we could agree on someone who's not Trump. Until then, you get him. If not him, Alex Jones. I don't even check his site but the way the Silicon Valley cartel treated him is appalling and un-American. And since you guys want to make him a symbol of what you can't stand, then I'd pick him.
I like his policies for the most part, but damn, does he not give perfectly justified reasons for having the left hate him. Constantly tweeting. Constantly saying stupid shit. Disrespecting people for no reason. Taking too much credit.
1) that figure is from a model, not a body count.
2) Trump is refuting the number because it’s being used to attack him.
Furthermore, during any disaster, it is the local government and state that bears the burden. FEMA takes a while to mobilize. Also, PR is pretty 3rd world outside of San Juan (which is still pretty rough). A hurricane hitting that place will fuck it up.
MAGA ETERNAL
I'm just here for the awful TNA posts
There's a 95% confidence interval on the 2900 figure
Why can’t PR get an accurate death toll? That fact alone should tell you that the hurricane was a contributing factor to the mess that’s happened.
I’ve driven outside of SJ and the place is pretty undeveloped. Poor infrastructure caused the mayhem. The mayor and Governor are clearly at fault.
I’d love an actual figure so those idiots can be held responsible. But using this to shit on trump is just bullshit.
Hard to say how much Trump is responsible for the higher death toll in PR. Clearly, infrastructure is the primary culprit. I think the overarching point is that it's pretty obvious that Trump doesn't really give a shit about Puerto Rico and neither does his base. Hurricane Harvey and Hurricane Maria had very disparate responses from the federal government. Nine days after the respective hurricanes, FEMA had approved $141.8 million in individual assistance to Harvey victims, versus just $6.2 million for Maria victims. Trump sent three times as many tweets about Harvey as Maria.
So, sure you can't attribute the ~3000 deaths that likely resulted from the hurricane to trump because poor infrastructure there isn't his fault. It's the fault of decades of apathy towards Puerto Rico in Washington. They can't vote so who cares? Trump doesn't even pretend to care about Puerto Rico.
Trump offered plenty of condolences. Shit got nasty when it was used against him.
But yeah, I doubt he gives a fuck. I think it’s a beautiful island and have friends from PR that were impacts so I tangentially care, but it’s not an issue that will sway my vote. Place is pretty raw.
People saying this will hurt the Hispanic vote have a real simplistic view of how diverse that vote is. Will have dick impact on the Cuban or 2nd/3rd gen Mexican voter. I’m sure the Bronx will overwhelmingly care though.
Right. Trump not caring is the underpinning factor here. There was a clear disparity in allocation of federal resources between Hurricane Harvey (and other hurricanes to hit contiguous US) vs Hurricane Maria, which hit the territory of Puerto Rico.
The idea that Puerto Rico is fully or mostly responsible for the recovery effort is the same as saying South Carolina is fully/mostly responsible for the recovery of Florence. Like, what? No US state has the kind of resources that is able to deal with major natural disasters much less Puerto Rico, which has been entirely neglected due to the fact its citizens do not have a voice in federal elections.
Going back to Trump. About 3000 people died as a result of the direct hit or the conditions that the storm created after (homelessness, lack of power, clean water, etc.). The study makes this pretty clear the 3000 number is the number of additional people who died who wouldn't have given the storm did not hit. A similar number of people died in 9/11. Trump does not care! It could be 30 people who died in Maria it could be 3000, it would likely make no difference to him either as a matter of policy or as a matter of simple empathy. Puerto Ricans, who are in every way other than right to vote US citizens, don't matter to Trump.
It's somewhat astonishing to me that one can accept the fact that Trump doesn't care about an island full of 3 million US citizens and still believe he has a moral prerogative to lead. It doesn't seem like it should really matter how much you agree with Trump's tax cuts or any other policy when he seems to lack any amount of true empathy for Puerto Ricans.
The study looked at the actual death toll in PR vs. what would have been expected during the SIX MONTHS after the storm.
@TNA" is right - at that point its up to PR at that point to restore their issues....what else is the government supposed to do for six months?
In any event, at best, the death toll vs. what was expected is indirect, but it is foolish to say that any difference is directly related to the storm. At the time of the storm, it was reported in Miami and other major papers that the estimated death toll during the days after the storm was around 20.
Just another typical abysmal political conversation in America in the year 2018. Gee wiz, what a shock
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