Problems with S&T

Anytime I talk with someone who is not in the i-banking industry about my interest in sales & trading, many of them come up with the argument that traders will become obsolete in a few years.

I understand that they are usually referring to pit traders, which is obviously very different than institutional trading.

Can someone explain to me why they think institutional traders and salespeople will be around for a while. Do you think margins will ever get so small that it'll be hard to squeeze anything out of them?

 

go where you like the people. that's the most important thing.

in general i am biased towards rate, fx, commodities over credit stuff.

but credit derivs have been big for a while, commodities are definitely "hot"...and anything exotic is usually good.

good luck.

 
mm44:
Why would you say commodities are hot? Exotic stuff usually involves a lot of structuring?

b/c they are. i dont get the question....there's just a lot going on in commodities land.

and yes exotic has a structuring component.

where do you work currently?

 
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electronic algorithms/dark pool liquidity channels are creating much more opportunity for best price execution. Reality is that this was bound to happen eventually. Vanilla shares trading is probably going to take the biggest hit, however most investment banks trade much much more whether it be equity or credit/rates based or a combination of both, trading/selling products across the credit structure. Believe me, there are alot of products that cannot be structured/traded by a machine and clients whether they be institution or hedge funds, trade across numerous products in which they would not feel comfortable engaging in without expertise from the desk

 

I would venture to guess that in 5 years banks will no longer be hiring for vanilla flow. If you take a look at the various dark liquidity pools you will see that they are all bank-contrived. The banks are the organisations forming these dark pools. It is not like a 3rd party is coming in and revolutionising the way banks trade vanilla flow. Derivatives and bespoke products are growing and will continue to grow.

 

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