QAnon is the conservative "woke"
https://www.foxnews.com/media/qanon-conspiracy-theory-enters-politics-what-to-know
Just putting it out there...
Message to my fellow "conservatives": Don't kid yourself by thinking that it's only the liberal woke with ridiculous beliefs ruining this country with anti-science and alternative-fact BS. Look in the mirror. There's a giant 'Q' looming over your head.
When I bring up the "2nd Enlightenment" I'm also denouncing these QAnon fanatics.
EDIT: Whopping 56% of Republicans have embraced QAnon beliefs. Let's not forget 3 QAnon believers just won primaries for US Senate and the House. As far as I'm concerned, Republicans just signed a deal with the devil just to lower my taxes, sacrificing the intellectual capacity of this country by handing it over to loonies. Democrats signed a similar deal with the devil couple years back but now that the Republicans have done it, things are really gonna go down the shitter.
EDIT 2: I forgot to mention that the Republican party already has been plagues by Fundamentalist Christians with their mega churches and their millionaire pastors.
Nobody said conservatives don't have their share of nutjobs? See Alex Jones, although I've heard some compelling arguments that he's just crazy in general having seen him attack both sides with vigor. But you can't seriously pretend for a second that QAnon or any of the others are nearly as mainstream as what liberal loonies espouse. They're still regarded as the kind of swill you see floating around from 4/8chan.
You clearly haven't clicked on any of the links....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/02/majority-of-republicans-believe-the-qanon-conspiracy-theory-is-partly-or-mostly-true-survey-finds/amp/
To summarize, whopping 56% of Republicans have fully or partially embraced QAnon beliefs. Sounds very much mainstream.
Also, a batshit crazy QAnon supporters just won a Republican primary. Also in one of my links
I'm a conservative--pretty active in the party (well, used to be--kind of disillusioned since 2015/Trump) and I follow the news pretty closely. I've literally never heard of this movement until the last few weeks. So, I'm skeptical of the level of influence it has. Regardless, there are lies, damn lies, and surveys. Which QAnon beliefs are nutty and which ones do "Republicans" believe have some validity? I've read the Communist Manifesto and I agree with some of Marx's insight into the issues with 19th century industrial capitalism. Does that make me a communist? I'm a strong conservative Christian and I don't have a problem with state-sanctioned gay marriage. Does that make me an atheist leftist?
So, we need to be very specific about the beliefs that are considered legitimate by surveyed Republicans. From what I understand, QAnon is somewhat focused on the rise of pedophilia. Umm, maybe that would make me part of the 56% in a survey? The slow mainstreaming of pedophilia is definitely a concern I share. I also like dogs and I assume there is some overlap with QAnon supporters on that position...
As far as winning primaries, there are 870 Democrat and Republican primaries in any given election cycle for the House of Representatives. In each election cycle, nut jobs win primaries and sometimes general elections. That's just a statistical certainty. (I don't think I've ever voted in a congressional primary. Weird stuff happens in primaries due to low turnout.)
I did not know you could get most helpful on your own topic?
I would venture that 99% of Trump supporters share views with the QAnon folks, no matter how subconsciously. Liberal lunacy has only been around a lot longer, whereas if you look at some of the QAnon stuff, it's a bunch of shared tin foil views that didn't go beyond the tin hat until the full acceptance of the internet. Liberals had to get theirs from books, and there's a sense of legitimacy through acceptance by some sort of academic approach. But, these QAnon people are probably echoing what most Magars think even if they don't realize it. Fear runs deep and people aren't even always able to recognize it.
What compares to something as nuts as QAnon among liberals? Asking for a friend.
The Green New Deal. Socialism. Critical race theory. BLM, which was explicitly founded by black Marxists despite the fact that Karl Marx himself was a raving, extreme racist himself that would make Hitler blush and the fact that Marxist ideology led to the murder of 100 million people in 80 years.
In my view, it's actually the fault of Fox News and conservative politicians for "socialism" being normalized. As they label even mainstream Democrats that are in favor of raising taxes on the rich and large companies to pay for federal programs as socialism, it loses it's original definition and changes how people view the word.
Socialism, BLM, and the green new deal is as nuts as believing that a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles running a global child sex-trafficking ring is plotting against Trump?
I gotta stop posting on this website. I've dramatically reduced my number of post on a daily/weekly basis but I need to stop altogether.
Please provide proof on your characterization of how BLM was found/its purpose - thanks.
The "woke" believing in distorted version of post modernism?
I mean they reject basic biology and basic tenents of a functional society.
Some of them go far as to claim that qualities like diligence is "whiteness" being imposed on minorities to keep minorities down and compliant. Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Right?
The Clinton Foundation.
QAnon is somewhat concerned with the rise in pedophilia? How about call it what it is “QAnon supporters claim President Trump is defending the planet from a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles (consisting mostly of Hollywood celebrities, liberal politicians and “deep-state” government officials) who are running a secret child sex-trafficking ring.”
It’s the batshit craziness that we’ve all grown the accept from the anti-intellectual conservative, Christian Right.
And btw, what are you even referring to by “rise in pedophilia”? Is that backed up by any statistics? I’m assuming not.
And to your point about primaries, you may never have voted in one, but you can’t imply that they’re meaningless when in the district in question the Republican nominee is all but guaranteed to win the general election.
The fact that more mainstream conservatives like yourselves don’t actively distance yourselves from the cancer within your party is reprehensible and in my opinion you have no right whatsoever to criticize the left.
You talking to me?
If you are I don't think you read my post. I just criticized my "own side"(I hate to stoop down to taking sides) for not even looking at the threat that these batshit crazy QAnon loonies pose. So whats you're point exactly?
No this was meant for real_shankhunt. I agree with everything you said.
You, a leftist, know far more about QAnon than I, a conservative, do. Doesn't that actually make you step back and think that maaaaaybe--just possibly maybe--the importance of QAnon is being overstated by politically motivated individuals during an election? With regard to the primaries, the primaries are how pro-Chavez, pro-Hamas socialists/communists of the "Justice Democrats" got elected in deep blue districts. That's the nature of the American primary system. A few thousand people can show up for a primary election and the electorate--without the true consent of the body politic--has elected a radical. That's the good thing about having 435 members of the House, 100 members of the Senate, the entire executive and legislative branches, and federalism of delegated authority--crazies will always win elections from time to time. Maybe our evil, stupid, dumb, uneducated hick founding fathers knew a little something, huh?
The acceptance of pedophilia is slowly becoming mainstreamed, yes. Everyone around Jeffrey Epstein knew what was going on and it was actively suppressed by his peers and the media. This is not even in dispute. A house of the California legislature just passed a bill that seeks to decriminalize gay sex with minors. Netflix just ran a disgusting, vile ad promoting a French film about 11-year-olds dancing. In fairness to the film, it sounds like Netflix completely misrepresented the film, but the Netflix ad nonetheless purposely sexualized 11-year-old girls in its promotion of the film. TLC consistently runs disgusting TV programs sexualizing children. It's definitely a building issue in this country.
Well... I'd say that the conservatives know far better about the radical left than the liberals do. So all the denouncing of radical left just maybe is being overstated by politically motivated individuals.
But that doesn't make it okay to just ignore the radicals. There's a kernel of truth to both sides really (both sides as in people criticizing QAnon and the woke and bringing them to attention). The "woke" and QAnon are two sides of the same coin really. Only difference is that "wokeness" is mainstream and QAnon just started going mainstrea, recently. Surely we can agree that we need to get rid of both before they do further damage.
It kind of reminds me of the rise of Communism and Fascism. Surely Communism became mainstream first (you know the Russian Revolution and what not in 1917). Fascism wasn't mainstream until the 1930s. But they both did a lot of damage once they went mainstream.
I don't consider one lunatic winning a primary during Covid-19 to be a sign that QAnon is mainstreaming. Mainstreaming what exactly? That Satan-worshipping pedophiles are real? How does that even impact public policy? They'll be harsher on pedophiles? Ok?
Get back to me when a second QAnon person wins a primary.
I'm just saying we should be careful and quick to get rid of dangerous belief systems at the slightest hint of them going mainstream.
I'm not saying it's the same situation but there was a time when belief systems like Communism and Fascism were nascent and people didn't worry too much.
Gotta manage tail risks when it comes to this stuff.
The problem is not, per se, their opposition to pedophilia. It’s their opposition to a perceived threat that has no basis in any facts.
And I think it’s extremely dangerous to accept a faction of the party that disregards fact and logic.
The real story here is not that a movement of people are speaking out against pedophilia (which we all agree in wrong!). It's that a growing number of Republicans can no longer separate fact from conspiracy theory and live in their own online bubble of fake reality. We have a conspiracy theorist in the Oval, and millions of gullible, loyal followers ready to do his bidding. I expect Qanon to be a mainstream GOP platform viewpoint within 10 years.
This is truly remarkable. You're accusing the right of trafficking in conspiracy theories when the Democrats led a 2-year investigation costing tens of millions of dollars in a failed effort to prove that Donald Trump is an agent of the Russian government. It's arguably the most influential, mainstream conspiracy theory in American history. BLM is predicated on the easily debunked notion that the police are out there murdering innocent black people (in 2019, 15 un-armed black people were killed by the police, according to the Washington Post). The conspiracy theories that the Left latches on to are actually influential.
This may shock you, but Black Lives Matter is actually predicated on the notion that black lives matter.
A bipartisan Senate report (led by Republicans) just realeased their findings two weeks ago that not only confirmed Mueller's findings, but4 expanded on them: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903512647/senate-report-former-trump-aid…
Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes. The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign.
The committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin was personally behind the hack and leak operation that published stolen Democratic Party emails, and that WikiLeaks — the website that published them — played a key role and "very likely knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort."
The Trump campaign sought to take advantage of those leaks by asking for advance notice of the WikiLeaks disclosures, crafting public relations strategies around them, and even encouraging "further theft of information and continued leaks."
This took place at critical moments of the 2016 campaign, the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded.
For example, when the Trump campaign was made aware that The Washington Post would be publishing a copy of the now-infamous Access Hollywood tape, word got to Trump confidant Roger Stone — who tried to get a message to WikiLeaks through an intermediary so that it would publish hacked Democratic Party emails immediately.
WikiLeaks ultimately published stolen emails approximately 30 minutes after the Access Hollywood story was put online.
And yes, I believe there is still significant evidence that Russia has compromised Trump, who flat out refuses to ever say a bad word about Putin or Russia. Just yesterday, Trump was asked to condemn Putin's poisoning of his political opposition leader. Trump claimed there was no evidence Putin did it (despite the global consensus) and then deflected to talking about North Korea.
Well... I'd say that the conservatives know far better about the radical left than the liberals do. So all the denouncing of radical left just maybe is being overstated by politically motivated individuals.
But that doesn't make it okay to just ignore the radicals. There's a kernel of truth to both sides really (both sides as in people criticizing QAnon and the woke and bringing them to attention). The "woke" and QAnon are two sides of the same coin really. Only difference is that "wokeness" is mainstream and QAnon just recently started going mainstream. Surely we can agree that we need to get rid of both before they do further damage.
It kind of reminds me of the rise of Communism and Fascism. Surely Communism became mainstream first (you know the Russian Revolution and what not in 1917). Fascism wasn't mainstream until the 1930s. But they both did a lot of damage once they went mainstream.
I’m not a leftist, I’m actually right-learning but thoroughly disappointed with the Republican part which is why this bothers me.
Mainstream conservatives in my opinion have not acknowledged the rampant anti-intellectualism that the party has come to adopt since, it seems, the Trump era began.
And again, I ask for statistics on pedophilia rising and you’re giving me essentially anecdotal evidence of why you think it’s become more pervasive in society. I do think we’re seeing increasingly sexually liberal attitudes and that absolutely may have negative consequences, but I’m not convinced that pedophilia is seriously an issue that needs to have any partisan sway (in other words, show me that democrats are legitimately softer than republicans on pedophilia). Where were all of the right wing anti-pedophiles speaking out against Roy Moore?
Really basic question here. I'm generally on the right politically, I follow politics closely, and, as far as I know, I have never come in contact with QAnon. I keep hearing about it, but have never actually directly interacted with it. What is the "authoritative" QAnon source? If I wanted to go totally off the rails, what would I even search for?
I admit that I have occasionally watched Alex Jones videos. If you don't take him seriously and view him like you'd view a circus clown, he's actually pretty funny.
I think QAnon as of now is too "underground" and there just hasn't been much investigation of it. But I'd say it's on its way to the mainstream. 10 years ago, people didn't know what to make of the "woke" people nor they understood its potentials. I think it's a matter of time before it goes mainstream.
Kind of reminds me of Fascism and Communism. There was a time when both belief systems were pretty small and underground. But the fact that people didn't pay too much attention to them worked as an advantage.
I think when it comes to this stuff, we gotta be a bit "anal" and manage tail risks.
I was not familiar with qanon until I read about it here. It sounds like some wacky shit
Don't you have anything else to do? Talking with friends? Going on social media with friends? Going out to eat with friends? Quite sad how much time you waste posting this stuff on a finance form. Also, Qanon or not, the evidence is plentiful of the pedophilic elite
I agree Milton has had a lot of "hot takes" recently. But there's not much else we can do with this quarantine stuff still going around. Hopefully Operation Warp Speed kicks in soon.
Never heard of this theory and am fairly far right leaning. Did the Epstein case have any impact on this?
Its something that started on 4chan. If that tells you anything...
Not sure why people are saying something like “haven’t heard of Q Anon” As defense. It’s more like people internalized lot of the Q Anon theories as their own and saying that’s the truth / against lying media etc. from pizza gate to stuff around virus. Doesn’t need labels of origination, but lot of stuff that ends up getting tailwind on Fox, Breitbart, Alex Jones or even Trump tweets have started in some hidden corner of 4Chan by some Q anon theory. That’s what really people are trying to say
People going to hate on Atlantic but see here: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/qanon-nothing-can-…
This x100.
As a "student" of history, it seems that most successful belief systems are the ones that have slowly "creeped up". You first get introduced to ideas but you don't even know where it comes from or what it's called.
Virtually all belief systems famous enough to leave a dent in our history books started nascent. They gradually gained popularity among small group of people until one of 2 things happen - 1) becomes adopted by so-called "intellectuals" and they spread it to others or 2) a charismatic leader comes along and spreads it. Once it goes mainstream, they can either 1) take power through a full-on revolution or through 2) creeping into the center of power by having the current leader endorsing/accepting it. In case people are wondering 1) is Communism and 2) Fascism. Before those two, there were 1) Modern Democracy and 2) Enlightenment Monarchy.
Now these belief systems could either be beneficial or dangerous. Communism and Fascism were clearly dangerous. Democracy and Enlightenment Monarchy were beneficial. But I see this happening again in our lifetime with 1) Post-modernism (the "woke", SJWs, Antifa, or whatever other names) and 2) QAnon and its future derivatives.
Alt-right, Neo-Nazi, and white supremacist groups will always remain on the fringe and be labeled as lunatics because they aren't very subtle with their approach nor their leaders charismatic. Also they certainly were never supported by the big man in power (ahem the POTUS) and most likely never will be. BUT, the QAnon is a whole another beast. It's subtle. It starts small then once someone's mind is open, it starts to indoctrinate. It has a full support of the current POTUS and possibly some Republican leadership. Now this should be signaling a huge alarm.
We already missed the bus with post-modernism and it's gonna be an uphill battle putting post-modernism back to small circles of idiots it originated from. But at least we can stop this QAnon thing before it becomes too big.
Let's not forget people in the early 20th century underestimated Communism and Fascism. Look how that turned out. Let's not repeat history again.
As a conservative/libertarian I hate when my grandmom brings this shit up. Makes the Republican Party look like morons. But then again it’s funny as hell to watch people get all worked up for the conclusion that nothing will ever change and our lives are irrelevant anyway.
Lol yeah. I just hate it when Democrats talk shit about Republicans for doing something bad and Republicans talk shit about Democrats about doing something bad. The truth is they are both pretty f***ing terrible and they both deserve to face a massive PR shitstorm.
Quote from IASIP, " Who am I supposed to vote for? The Democrat who is going to blast me in the ass? Or the Republican who's blasting my ass?"
The republican party has changed a lot and so has the democrat party. No party is a good fit for a NJ republican. I know a few NJ/PA repubs who have switched to the dem party but not because they like their views.
I used to be a libertarian, with a lot of conservative views, but I've watched myself slowly become more and more liberal over the past few years. It's just too exhausting, when mainstream society is so liberal. I felt like such a political contrarian for so long, and I don't even try to be that guy. Finally, I just gave in, when every hot art school girl you meet off of dating sites will think you're awful just because you have some conservative views, and when you realize how many people even in finance and consulting are liberals. I would rather avoid burning any bridges with people.
You are commenting on a finance website that is mostly conservative. Look at the topics here...Most political topics here are conservative. I think the demographics here are a good proxy for investment industry. I have worked in investments for a long time and at each company, the vast majority of people have been conservative.
I think its more of a 50/50 split in the real world, and skewing more liberal every day. Anecdotally most of the conservatives I know in finance are 60+ and are retired or soon to be at this point. Of my peers its probably 3/4 liberal, although most don't get too vocal about it, so you may only pick up on it from an off hand comment at happy hour or something.
I think it skews more hardcore conservative in the WSO off topic forum because liberals (and moderate conservatives) can more comfortably use the real world as an outlet to discuss politics with friends, family, coworkers etc and don't need to argue about dumb shit online as much... this is the only outlet for some of the ultra right posters bc you can't really casually stand around the office water cooler or meet an old acquaintance for coffee and bring up - to use a few samples from above, how BLM is baseless bc cops don't murder innocent black people, or Mueller report "fully exonerated" trump - without losing a ton of credibility or straight up being laughed at.
Politics are bread & circuses....
These QAnon folk are the ones who believe JFK jr. is still alive and is going to come back soon, right? I think I ran into one of them a few weeks ago, bunch of conspiracy theorists. Sad we've come to this point in our politics and people just swallow it without any critical thought.
They're crazier. They think that bunch of influential people are part of a giant pedophile ring and form a secret government called the "deepstate". Even crazier, they think that Trump is their messiah who will save people from the deepstate.
Of course, Trump loves these people and endorses them. 3 QAnon candidates just won primaries for seats in the US Senate & House. One of them is in Georgia, so she will very likely win and be the Republican AOC. I really don't see how that's any different than some Democrats embracing the "wokeness".
I agree it’s the other side of the coin. I feel each side is going to go further and further from each other, and the rest of us will be caught in between. The liberals got their woke people and the conservatives have QAnon, when did it all go so wrong? This culture war we’re in is going to turn into a reality war soon, the idea of another civil war doesn’t seem so far fetched anymore.
Of course Trump likes them, you say a nice thing about him and he loves you. Apparently, that’s how his kids control him, but that’s just a rumor. They seem to be everywhere too, on any YouTube video I watch relating to politics or with dems in it, I see these people talking about the ‘deepstate.’ It’s getting crazier out there, Milton.
I don't agree with QAnon at all, but their beliefs are partly based in reality (though their conclusions are entirely wrong).
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