Racism on WSO

I log onto WSO every couple of days to read what people are talking about, and I always at least one if not more threads that are incredibly racist, with many comments supporting it. Whenever crime, Black Lives Matter,#stopasianhate, diversity, or systemic racism are mentioned, the post is swarmed by people repeating white supremacist talking points (most commonly the 13/50 stat, which has been labeled "racist propaganda by white supremacists" according to the ADL, when used to say Black ppl are "naturally violent"). Thankfully there are always a few users who are able to defend the common good, but it seems to be getting out of hand in recently. Now maybe I spend to much time on the Off-topic forum, but I have repeatedly seen them on IB as well, recently talking about the "very high" crime rates in NYC. I writing this mainly to say that WSO should focus more on stamping down on this hateful rhetoric and create a more welcoming environment

Edit: I got 2 MS within 3 min of posting this lmao.

Edit 2: I am specifically talking about incredibly racist comments, white supremacist, nazi level comments, not some random fox news watcher saying something politically incorrect.

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Apr 27, 2021 - 9:28pm

I writing this mainly to say that WSO should focus more on stamping down on this hateful rhetoric and create a more welcoming environment

Bro shut the fuck up. WSO is one of the last places on the internet where one can speak openly and freely about our country. This--not career advice--is one of the biggest reasons I even stay on this forum. Don't you dare try to push censorship onto this site.

Apr 27, 2021 - 9:32pm

Do you think the "White Lives Matter" post should be deleted. Or is that fine?

I am not talking about full censorship of all ideas, I'm completely fine with conservative view points, but I think white supremacist ideas should be investigated by WSO.

Apr 27, 2021 - 9:34pm

"White Lives Matter" is a shitpost to trigger you, I don't care about politics and I'm not saying it seriously, I agree that there are too many political threads I've never made a political thread and the site would be better without them but if they are going to be here I'm going to shitpost in them just like I would shitpost in any other off topic thread

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Apr 27, 2021 - 9:38pm

I am not talking about full censorship of all ideas

You claim to have good intentions. But in practice, this philosophy of "stamping down on hateful rhetoric" always leads to censorship of anything remotely politically-incorrect. You just advocated for calling the 13/50 stat (a proven fact) a "racist propaganda by white supremacists." So does every comment that mentions that blacks commit a disproportionately high amount of crime have to be deleted? We can't even state facts without being called racist at this point. No, I don't want any censorship of "hateful" content. If you have a problem with a viewpoint, debate it to show the other person (and the rest of the forum) why you are right.

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Apr 27, 2021 - 10:01pm

Saying that a post that states "white lives matter" should be deleted directly infers that posts saying "black lives matter" should be deleted too...

Dont MS me, im just showing that free speech needs to be protected and pointing out the irony of that stance

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Apr 27, 2021 - 10:06pm

wol21

Do you think the "White Lives Matter" post should be deleted. Or is that fine?

I am not talking about full censorship of all ideas, I'm completely fine with conservative view points, but I think white supremacist ideas should be investigated by WSO.

I think white lives matter just as much as black lives matter. What are you saying, that white lives don't matter? Almost twice as many unarmed white people are shot as black people, but black people commit almost 50% of all violent crime. That doesn't seem proportional or fair, does it? Do you have something against white people that supports your reasoning for their lives not mattering? That sounds pretty racist.

Also the 13/50 isn't just a "talking point." It's an FBI crime statistic, so all you've done here is show your own glaring ignorance. It's not racist to state a statistic, because facts cannot be racist as they lack intent. The ADL also labeled the OK hand sign as a symbol of white supremacy because of a meme that started on 4Chan. So if you believe everything the ADL spouts then you also think there's over 70mm white supremacists in this country, amongst which is the largest portion of minority voters to vote Republican since Regan.

Step outside your classroom, take the constant CNN chatter out of your ears, and grow up. Policing statistics are not indicative of racism, despite what the post-Floyd trial news coverage would have you believe.

Apr 27, 2021 - 9:44pm

I'm not saying it is, I'm saying racist rhetoric that is used to disagree with an opinion is rhetoric. I'm perfectly fine with having a discussion about current race relations in the US, but not if racist dog whistles or talking points are used.

Apr 27, 2021 - 9:48pm

lol you aren't actually perfectly fine if you need to throw the qualifier in there, 'racist dog whistle talking points' are only racist dog whistle talking points to certain people, they might feel like facts and not feel like racist dog whistle talking points from the perspective of the more 'racist' or actually racist person

Apr 27, 2021 - 9:43pm

What if something is racist/offensive to you but not to someone else? I kind of see where your coming from but I'm of the opinion that online discord should be as free as possible. I do think WSO does a decent job at doing that.

Apr 27, 2021 - 9:47pm

Im not talking for any sort of broad censorship. The "slippery slope" argument doesn't really pertain to this, however, I'm literally just talking about Nazi/White supremacist points, which are easily identifiable, open conversations about race I am completely fine with. 

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Apr 27, 2021 - 9:46pm

wol21

Black Lives Matter,

The organization found by a self-proclaimed Marxist who wants to destroy family values?

I respect the movement but despise the organization.

#stopasianhate,

I'm Asian. DOJ reports that biggest perpetrators against Asians when it comes to violent crimes are Black and Hispanic people. But the media only reports it when a white guy killed/beat up some Asian person. 

"Stop Asian Hate" but we should be saying it to Black and Hispanic people too, not just white people. White libtards are so racist against themselves.

diversity,

People who want "diversity" the most forget why diversity is good in the first place. It's good because it brings different perspectives to the table. Unfortunately, the same people who want diversity want diversity without any of the benefits. They want us to be this giant homogenous monolithic culture that permits no different way of thinking. They're either idiots or fucking crooks. Either way, very dangerous.

or systemic racism

You mean Affirmative Action and all the nonsense about "Support black - owned businesses" only because they're black ? Look up on what "Racism" actually means.

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:25pm

The organization found by a self-proclaimed Marxist who wants to destroy family values?

I respect the movement but despise the organization.

Thats why no one listens to the organization, out of all of my friends (many of whom are socialists) who have been to protests, marched, spoken out for BLM, 0 of them follow the organization, there are definitely criticisms of it.

I'm Asian. DOJ reports that biggest perpetrators against Asians when it comes to violent crimes are Black and Hispanic people. But the media only reports it when a white guy killed/beat up some Asian person. 

"Stop Asian Hate" but we should be saying it to Black and Hispanic people, not just white people. White libtards are so racist against themselves.

StopAsianHate, nearly always stems from the labeling of COVID as the "chinese virus" a racist dog whistle, it should be prevented no matter what race is committing it, I agree.

People who want "diversity" the most forget why diversity is good in the first place. It's good because it brings different perspectives to the table. Unfortunately, the same people who want diversity want diversity without any of the benefits. They want us to be this giant homogenous monolithic culture that permits no different way of thinking. They're either idiots or fucking crooks. Either way, very dangerous.

I want diversity because of why you stated its good, different perspectives on the table are what make this nation the best there is.

You mean Affirmative Action and all the nonsense about "Support black - owned businesses" only because they're black ? Look up on what "Racism" actually means.

The goal of affirmative action is to equally represent each racial group in college (It should be based off class I will give you that) to promote diversity (see above), Black people have been oppresed in this nation for 400 years, which is why they benefit from it. BUT ALSO, white women benefit the most from affirmative action (https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women…), so do with that what you will.

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:33pm

out of all of my friends (many of whom are socialists) who have been to protests, marched, spoken out for BLM

If this statement doesn't feel right, then Idk WTF to say. All the "anti-capitalist Socialists" I've talked to have no idea their version of socialism is just nice capitalism. 

Couple of them were Software engineers making 6 figures going to nice restaurants. FUCKING IRONY.

The goal of affirmative action is to equally represent each racial group in college (It should be based off class I will give you that) to promote diversity (see above), Black people have been oppresed in this nation for 400 years, which is why they benefit from it.

And they achieve that by systemically discriminating against other races & letting in rich Black kids whose dads are lawyers and rich Hispanics kids with a mansion in Miami to fill the quotas. AA does not give a shit about actually underprivileged minorities. Otherwise, you'd see a lot more of them in colleges. 

BUT ALSO, white women benefit the most from affirmative action (https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women…), so do with that what you will.

VOX is like the liberal version of FOX. They're fucking wrong on so many things that it's fucking pointless to even bring up examples.

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:37pm

YuknoomCh'een

You do realize that conservatives can also be racists that pretend not to be racists, right? 

Sample size has not been statistically significant so WTF do I care. I see libtard racists everywhere I go in this Blue state of mine.

I spent a good amount of my life in a Red state and majority of the "racist" people are just ignorant of what other races are like because they haven't interacted with much. Once you talk to them and get to know them, they are generally good people. And they are usually pretty honest about, what they thought of you before they got to know me.

Apr 27, 2021 - 9:57pm

I consider myself a left-leaning moderate, so I am most likely in agreement with you on a number of issues. That being said, SHUT THE FUCK UP. Let people spew what they want to spew. Yes, you may not agree with it. Yes, you may find it offensive. It is nobody's job to appease your wishes. The fact that we have the freedom to have this discourse is what makes our country great. And rather than simply banning opinions/viewpoints that you disagree with, consider trying to have a productive exchange of ideas. You obviously dislike racism/sexism/whatever else leftists are upset about these days. Banning people from expressing these types of opinions won't make them go away, but asking questions and trying to reason with people just may. 

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:00pm

The fact that we have the freedom to have this discourse is what makes our country great. And rather than simply banning opinions/viewpoints that you disagree with, consider trying to have a productive exchange of ideas. You obviously dislike racism/sexism/whatever else leftists are upset about these days. Banning people from expressing these types of opinions won't make them go away, but asking questions and trying to reason with people just may. 

That is exactly why I made this thread. I would love to convince everyone that my views are the best. But I have witnessed Qanon levels of hate on this forum multiple times and that is what I am discussin.g

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:14pm

But I have witnessed Qanon levels of hate on this forum multiple times and that is what I am discussin.g

I've witnessed QAnon levels of hate from both lefties and righties on this forum and in real life. Both are fucking idiots.

And you sound like an idiot on the left.

I don't want idiots on either side.

Apr 27, 2021 - 11:19pm

Get the fuck out with your censorship, if you don't like what people say on the forums go to a different forum. This is the internet, you can literally find your beta cuck friends at reddit with a few clicks

Apr 27, 2021 - 11:24pm

No, there isn't Qanon levels of hate. You are literally a retarded soyboy white guy who is trying to white knight. As a minority, please f*ck off. No one cares about your non-genuine bs and stop trying to stifle viewpoints you dislike 

Apr 27, 2021 - 9:57pm

Pound sand, you whiny little snot.

Take our hateful rhetoric up your ass, you overly sensitive little twat.

Shut the fuck up, you ought.

A safe space, this place is not.

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Apr 27, 2021 - 10:12pm

PrivateTechquity 🚀GME🚀

Pound sand, you whiny little snot.

Take our hateful rhetoric up your ass you overly sensitive little twat.

Shut the fuck up, you ought.

A safe space, this place is not.

yoda falls

Sound penmen, couplets well-thought.

Makes sense but too many words you jot.

Don't bother, just list of words he concocts.

But who knows, this guy might be a bot.

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Apr 27, 2021 - 10:03pm

FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime? – Channel 4 News

So 13/50 is not technically wrong - it's the conclusions that white supremacists draw from it that are wrong. Black Americans commit a disproportionate amount of murders. This is because black Americans are disproportionately poor (due to our country's history). Poor whites and poor blacks are equally likely to commit violent crimes like murder. But a larger % of blacks are poor compared to whites, so this skews the data. White supremacists say blacks are naturally more violent, but reality is that poor / uneducated people are more violent.

Anyways, I agree with other posters. You're annoying. There are generally good debates from both sides. WSO is not a meeting place for alt-right folks like certain subreddits. If it were to become a stomping ground for white supremacists like r/TheDonald, that would be different

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:06pm

FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime? – Channel 4 News

So 13/50 is not technically wrong - it's the conclusions that white supremacists draw from it that are wrong. Black Americans commit a disproportionate amount of murders. This is because black Americans are disproportionately poor (due to our country's history). Poor whites and poor blacks are equally likely to commit violent crimes like murder. But a larger % of blacks are poor compared to whites, so this skews the data. White supremacists say blacks are naturally more violent, but reality is that poor / uneducated people are more violent.

I already stated basically exactly this in another comment, my point is that I have seen the "naturally violent" argument used. That is what I am talking about.

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:23pm

wol21

FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime? – Channel 4 News

So 13/50 is not technically wrong - it's the conclusions that white supremacists draw from it that are wrong. Black Americans commit a disproportionate amount of murders. This is because black Americans are disproportionately poor (due to our country's history). Poor whites and poor blacks are equally likely to commit violent crimes like murder. But a larger % of blacks are poor compared to whites, so this skews the data. White supremacists say blacks are naturally more violent, but reality is that poor / uneducated people are more violent.

- expand -

I already stated basically exactly this in another comment, my point is that I have seen the "naturally violent" argument used. That is what I am talking about.

13/50 is an explanation for why of the 1,000 people killed by police each year a disproportionate number (relative to the population) are black (really, black men)--police have more violent interactions with violent criminals. If you could link to where someone asserted that black people are naturally violent I'd LOVE to see it. 

Ultimately, facts aren't racist. There are endless explanations for violence in the black community, but asserting facts isn't racist, despite what the ADL claims. 

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Apr 28, 2021 - 12:49am

FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime? – Channel 4 News

Poor whites and poor blacks are equally likely to commit violent crimes like murder. But a larger % of blacks are poor compared to whites, so this skews the data. 

Literally the exact link you posted disputed this.  Did you read it?  Or did you stop reading right before the part where YOUR OWN LINK said that many different studies say different things and the evidence is not clear?

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:26pm

One final rant about diversity.

A group of white dudes all coming from different socio-economic background &/or different state is DIVERSE to me.

A group of black guy, Asian guy, white girl, and a latina coming from the exact same neighborhood in the Upper East Side is NOT DIVERSE.

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:27pm

I agree, you know you kinda sound familiar to someone you may not like.

"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." - Marx

Apr 27, 2021 - 11:12pm

wol21

"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." - Marx

How's that even close to what I wrote?

Truth being told, Marx made lots of good observations. Biggest issue is that his good observations were extraneous. His main points on how the history has worked and how economics works and should work (particularly on the state of capitalism) was all FLAT OUR WRONG.

Apr 27, 2021 - 11:16pm

famejranc

thanks for being so fucking woke bro, your wokeness is rubbing off on myself and on all of the other posters, your wokeness is contagious and these posts of yours are so woke you are making OPs head explode

#STAY ACTUALLY WOKE

#REAL PROGRESSIVES HATE SJWS

Seriously, old school progressives like me (I'm in my 20s though) are fucking ashamed of dumbass SJW MaRxiSt PrOgGrEsSiVeS who wants to defund the police and fight racism with racism. I find them incredibly stupid and dangerous.

That's why I love Bill Maher nowadays. This pot-smoking super left-wing guy sees through the madness of wokeness and makes fun of it. Sooner or later, Twitter is going to label Bill Maher as a radical right-wing pundit and ban him.

Apr 27, 2021 - 10:41pm

It's hilarious to think how delusional conservatives must be to think their ideas are being persecuted across the internet. The Republican party is playing you like a fiddle. Makes sense tho, Dems do the same to stir up their base. Controversy and sensationalism is how you gain power in the 21st century. 

Apr 27, 2021 - 11:15pm

Please shut the hell up, if you don't like the forum go join the pussies on reddit where all your libtard friends hang out

I've never once felt this site was racist (coming from a minority), reason I'm on the off topic forums here is reddit is a cesspool of white knight groupthink. Now here we have a dumb cu*nt trying to ruin the site for people who are moderate or even rationally conservative. Piss off

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Apr 27, 2021 - 11:55pm

He was high out of his mind on fentanyl and meth. FACTS. Go look up a lethal dose of fentanyl and then look up St. Fentanyl Floyd's blood concentration. More FACTS you won't like.

But yea, since the insane amount of drugs in his system had nothing to do with his death, everyone should be okay taking the levels he did. You'd have no problem taking that amount, right? 

Apr 27, 2021 - 11:22pm

Please shut the hell up and stop trying to ruin honest discussion in this forum. I've very rarely seen racist stuff on this forum, people like you are literally just as bad as Tea party morons 

Apr 28, 2021 - 12:21am

Edit 2: I am specifically talking about incredibly racist comments, white supremacist, nazi level comments, not some random fox news watcher saying something politically incorrect.

Why don't you create a gigantic list of these comments and who said them?

You make big claims but you provide no evidence. 

  • Prospect in IB-M&A
Apr 28, 2021 - 12:34am

Fuck you dude. Leave WSO if you don't like it and spare us your all-too-obvious incompetence. Sincerely, a member of the so called diverse community

Apr 28, 2021 - 12:49am

Amen and awomen brother. We need to be less white to fight against white supremacy. 

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

Apr 28, 2021 - 12:49am

the banana to monkey shit ratio is indicative of WSOs collective view against the cultural marxism you are trying to foist upon us.

glad that the average IQ on WSO is higher than that of the instagram/social media echo chambers.

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Apr 28, 2021 - 12:49am

I hate to point this out, but the temples of wokedom are Ivy League unis. It's not the working class pushing for this nonsense, actually, they are the ones opposing it. It's the ''educated'' that are promoting this. I do recall reading a study showing that the higher the title, the more extreme the ideological position was. 

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

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Apr 28, 2021 - 12:49am
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