Real talk for my fellow conservatives regarding Moore and Trump

Doug Jones' victory in Alabama last night was an upset of epic proportions. Consider that the last time a Democrat won a Senate seat was in 1992, and he became a Republican in 1994. Since then, the closest Senate race was in 2002, when the Republican won by just 19 points. In 2014, Jeff Sessions ran unopposed and got 97 percent of the vote. Trump won by 28 points in 2016. So it's time for some real talk about what happened and the political landscape going forward.

  1. Even before the allegations came out, Moore was struggling against Jones. He's a piece of shit human being, period. He has a history of vile racist comments, said openly that he doesn't believe in the constitutional amendments after the 10th, and was expelled from his job as a judge because he defied direct orders from SCOTUS.
  2. The allegations, although old, are far more likely to be true than false. We know for a fact that Moore went hunting for young girls at the mall. Moore himself admitted to dating teenage girls when he was in his 30s. So Leigh Corfman's story is not at all bizarre or implausible given Moore's sordid past.
  3. Trump nationalists need to stop with this "cuck" conspiracy nonsense. Moore did this to himself. There are plenty of Republicans who run for office, who don't have women coming out to accuse them of sexual assault or pedophilia. How many women accused Romney of sexual assault in 2012? I will give you a hint; it's an integer less than 1.
  4. Bannon is a fat piece of shit who is doing enormous damage. He chose to support Moore in the GOP primary rather than Brooks, even though the latter is a solid conservative who is far more likely to support Trump's agenda. Hopefully, this defeat crushes Bannon, so he doesn't run batshit candidates in the GOP primary and throw away our chances in 2018.
  5. Now onto Trump. We're in trouble in 2018 and 2020 at this rate. The economy is booming, and Trump is mired in 35-40% approval ratings; that is virtually unheard of in American history. Since midterms are nationalized, it means that Trump will indirectly be on the ballot. Our lead in the House is just 24 seats, and the average midterm loss for a President's first midterm is 28 seats. About a dozen GOP Congressmen are in districts that Hillary won by 5+ points. The Senate looks a bit better, but I'm not convinced that we can pick off all those red states, as Trump's approval isn't that great in those states either.
  6. Lot of Trump supporters misread the 2016 election result. He won because of a massive drop in Democratic turnout for Hillary vs Obama. Trump got fewer votes in WI than Romney and fewer votes in MI and OH than Bush. In 2020, Hillary will not be on the ballot, and whoever the nominee is, the Democrats will be SUPER PUMPED to defeat Trump.

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Comments (16)

Dec 13, 2017

Bannon is determined to doom the republican party in the mid-term elections, and beyond. Trump is there to provide the assist, like Ben Simmons to Joel Embiid (beautiful duo btw). The mid-term elections are going to be a blood bath. The nation doesn't like ANYTHING Republicans are trying to pass (the tax plan is extremely unpopular and obamacare repeal is now unpopular). Trump hangs like a spectre over the party, somehow very popular among a good enough chunk of the party so Republicans can't outright criticize him but so unpopular among independents that an endorsement from him might as well be a death sentence. They should tell him to just stfu and not say or do anything leading up to the mid-terms, probably the best course of action. You might as well just pencil in a democratic president after the 2020 elections now. Just glad a pedo didn't win just because he is a Republican running in Alabama, gives me hope for our future, blind partisanship rots the core of democracy.

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Dec 14, 2017

You talk so much shit when you have no idea what you are ever are talking about. I could probably dig up 2016 posts of yours parroting Huffington Shitpost "stats" about how Hillary has a 96% chance to win; stupid Drumph! Moore was a shit candidate, but notice how Trump only reluctantly endorsed him at the very end out of necessity. Also notice the title of the OP and yet you still couldn't help but be the first post in here.

Legit, name your price for the 2020 presidential election; $1k, $5k, $10k?. Assuming Trump runs and an election vote between Trump vs. Any Dem takes place, I'll take the bet for Trump. We'll figure out a way to put the money in escrow if you accept.

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Dec 14, 2017

I was wrong about HRC, you will be wrong about Trump 2020. Either way, chill.

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Dec 14, 2017

If you're so sure then name a price, I'm serious. There are multiple ways that we can set up an escrow for an amount that is worth while.

As Taleb would say, "put some skin in the game" or GTFO and stop talking so much shit like you KNOW anything. I don't mind opinions, but you strut around here like you're a big swinging dick who couldn't possibly be wrong. You're like a perma-bear who shouts his thoughts for 15 years through a bull market, of course not actually trading short on anything, then when a slight recession happens you go "see, see! I told you so!!!"

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Dec 14, 2017
Pmc2ghy:

If you're so sure then name a price, I'm serious. There are multiple ways that we can set up an escrow for an amount that is worth while.

As Taleb would say, "put some skin in the game" or GTFO and stop talking so much shit like you KNOW anything. I don't mind opinions, but you strut around here like you're a big swinging dick who couldn't possibly be wrong. You're like a perma-bear who shouts his thoughts for 15 years through a bull market, of course not actually trading short on anything, then when a slight recession happens you go "see, see! I told you so!!!"

Wow you people accuse liberals of getting triggered lmao

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Dec 14, 2017

I don't gamble and of course I'm not SURE of what will happen in 2020, alot of developments can occur between now and then. As of December 14, 2017 though, Trump looks like he is dead in 2020 and the Republicans look dead in the mid-terms. In any case, calm the fuck down bro, it's not that serious.

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Dec 13, 2017

I'm waiting for the ultimate story to break: George Soros Financing Steve Bannon

Monkey see. Monkey Doo [Doo].

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Dec 14, 2017

Even without the allegations Moore is utterly insane. He holds unacceptable unconstitutional beliefs that should disqualify him from holding office in the federal government. This man is a pure fascist theocrat through and through and the fact that the rank and file "conservative" voters in Alabama and beyond love him so much is a sign of how far right the Republican voter base has shifted. In any other Western democracy someone like Moore would be considered fringe but in America it's nearly the norm for the Republican Party now. This is what happens when the John Birch Society (Koch funded) controls your party's ideology.

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Dec 14, 2017

Blame Mitch McConnell. The DC Repubs pushed their candidate (Strange), and got burned big time.

But anyone saying the Alabama election is a repudiation on Trump has no idea what they're talking about.

Dec 14, 2017

"In 2016, President Donald Trump carried Alabama by almost 28 points. In 2017, voters in Alabama rejected Trump twice -- first by beating appointed Sen. Luther Strange in a Republican runoff and then by choosing Jones over Moore on Tuesday night. And you can see why. Trump's approval rating in the exit poll was 48%. His disapproval rating? 48%."

Trump definitely affected the outcome, although Moore being a horrible candidate seems to have been the deciding factor. Definitely wouldnt blame McConnell, that's absurd. He saw a shit candidate and saw the danger of a loss coming from a mile away, he just couldn't stop it.

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Dec 14, 2017

Honestly, you should just stop commenting on Republican threads, you have no idea what you're talking about. We get that you hate Republicans, so you don't really add much to the conversation.

McConnell spent tons of money bashing Mo Brooks because Brooks said he wouldn't support McConnell, Luther Strange said he would. So they bashed Mo Brooks to pieces, thinking that Luther Strange would beat Moore. Well that blew up in their face, since Alabama doesn't like DC messing in their affairs, so they went with the anti-establishment candidate, Roy Moore, who was a terrible candidate. But yeah you're right, McConnell had nothing to do with it...

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Dec 14, 2017
m8:

Honestly, you should just stop commenting on Republican threads, you have no idea what you're talking about. We get that you hate Republicans, so you don't really add much to the conversation.

McConnell spent tons of money bashing Mo Brooks because Brooks said he wouldn't support McConnell, Luther Strange said he would. So they bashed Mo Brooks to pieces, thinking that Luther Strange would beat Moore. Well that blew up in their face, since Alabama doesn't like DC messing in their affairs, so they went with the anti-establishment candidate, Roy Moore, who was a terrible candidate. But yeah you're right, McConnell had nothing to do with it...

Lol. Hardocre race-obsessed liberals pontificating on GOP primaries is like me pontificating on the inner strategy of ANTIFA. It makes zero sense.

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Dec 14, 2017
Rufus1234:

Lol. Hardocre race-obsessed liberals pontificating on GOP primaries is like me pontificating on the inner strategy of ANTIFA. It makes zero sense.

You're the most race-obsessed members on this website, going all the way back to your (alleged) Brady4MVP days. Self-awareness really isn't a strong suit for you. A liberal can pay attention (and comment) on GOP primaries, just as a conservative can pay attention (and comment) on Democrat primaries. Your comparison to infiltrating ANTIFA is a totally pointless straw-man.

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Dec 14, 2017

Attack me if you want, that's fine. I still think it is absurd to blame McConnell for supporting the "establishment" candidate, that is what political parties do. It is more an indictment on the party that the establishment has to constantly wrangle with people like Bannon/ the tea party which results in the difficulties of gettingt their preferred candidates through primaries. In any case I don't "hate" anyone and certainly don't dislike anyone based on party affiliation. You seem to have an issue with my viewpoints and that is fine but don't throw around accusations. Also I'd say that I've added more to political conversations to this website than almost any other single member, especially in espousing the moderate/ liberal viewpoint in what has become a conservative echo chamber.

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Dec 14, 2017
m8:

Blame Mitch McConnell. The DC Repubs pushed their candidate (Strange), and got burned big time.

But anyone saying the Alabama election is a repudiation on Trump has no idea what they're talking about.

McConnell messed up by pushing Strange so aggressively rather than letting solid conservative Mo Brooks have a shot. The GOP primary voters were pissed and voted Moore as a rejection of McConnell.

One can't blame Trump for this. He campaigned for Moore reluctantly at the last minute and did so in Florida, not in Alabama. Moore got half the votes Trump got; conservative turnout absolutely plunged. The write-in candidates got 1.7%, larger than Jones' 1.5% margin of victory.

As a conservative, I'm upset with us losing an easy Senate seat, but I'm not going to over-analyze this specific result, as Moore was a uniquely horrendous candidate.

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Dec 14, 2017

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