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There’s plenty of girls out there but only one Goldman Sachs. 
 

Fuck bitches, get money.

 

No of course, I’m messing around. Y’all have been together for 5 years, so clearly something is there and it isn’t just something casual. I’m assuming y’all are located in Cali? Because that’s where Docusign is headquartered. Moving to NYC is a big move, but presents great opportunities for the both of you. 

You get your dream job and most likely will out earn your girl by a lot and few years down the line you’ll earn 20x whatever she made at her current firm. You and her can build a great life together with this opportunity. She can also get a great job, I’m sure whatever type of job she had, she can find again in NYC. You two have made it work for this long and are still planning to stay together, she is willing to move and make this sacrifice and you’re here concerned about her feelings and what she wants - that’s relationship goals right there. Talk to her, you’re the one that knows her. As someone who doesn’t know you or your girl, I feel that her giving up her job is well worth it for the future you two can have. Even if it may be upsetting to her right now.

The main thing I’d be concerned with is actually being able to spend time with her. It’s easy to say that you can make it work but when working 70+ hours week it’s a different story.

 

I strongly disagree with intern in RE. It may be true that you outearn her but that's not a great case for having someone upend the career they love. It's kinda a non-statement I think you just need to have an honest conversation in her in which you determine how committed you both are to making this relationship work. Working at Goldman Sachs for you could be as much of a dream opportunity for you as Docusign is for her, don't disregard that simply because of earning potential. If nothing else, I can see short-term LDR as a possibility as you can easily exit back to the bay after a 1-2 year stint at Goldman. All I can say is be honest, be open-minded, and be empathetic in your discussion. 

To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering.
 

She got a job at a solid tech company once so she should be able to secure another. All of you speak as though she is some unqualified unemployable beggar. You two will be fine

Yeah definitely agree. Pop the question, then venture onto this move together, committed. She can get a new gig if she wants. 

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

What if you dont take the job, then you pop the question and she says no. Take the offer, move there with your girl, work until September at Goldman and then ask to relocate if you still like the job. If not, you already have enough months at the job to get it on your resume and find a new job.

 

Only ask her to marry you if you are ready emotionally, financially, etc. I mean I would have a serious conversation about where this relationship is going - from your post it sort of seems like you haven't had a real conversation about this. Youre just assuming "since I've been with her for 5 years I should propose". Only propose if you're ready. Obviously dont let go of Goldman Sachs for this girl to keep her job. Its her decision if she wants to quit and move with you. If she says no, then you have your answer and its better to move without her. 

 
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You're looking at it like it's one decision ("should I take the job at Goldman while also moving cross-country and proposing at the same time to keep my girlfriend's emotional state as warm as possible"). In reality, there are multiple axes. Taking the job is its own question. Choosing to relocate is its own question. Proposing is a very distinct and separate question.

The extent you need to isolate each axis when making a complex decision depends entirely on how serious the consequences of that decision are.

So, let's look at your situation.

In order of seriousness, I'd say it's probably relocation, then job, then proposal.

One could argue the first two might be in the wrong order, but that's short-sighted. Relocating comes with merely a one-time financial and time expense. Career moves have a massive expense (or payoff) when you think of the compounding effect over duration. 

Relocation:

Do you care strongly about New York? Is it a big draw? (Did you always have dreams of trying the city for a stint to see if you could vault yourself up a few rungs of the finance ladder? Are you trying to make yourself one of the masters of the universe? Are there inimitable cultural or experiential attractions you've daydreamed about?) Is it a big turnoff? (Does the high combined tax rate rub you so strongly the wrong way that you'll make yourself miserable? Do you hate the crowdedness, the bugs and rats on the streets, the smell in the summer?)

Reflecting on questions in this vein and many more like them can help you capture how you'll feel. This helps you make a more broadly informed decision.

Job:

You've already said this is your dream job. I won't waste words here.

Relationship:

Marriage is one of the single most meaningful decisions you can make in your lifetime. It should not be approached with any set idea. There's no "eh, we've been together long enough, we should move it forward". Have you thought critically about how this person fits into your life goals, complements (makes up for by virtue of their own traits) and also accepts your weaknesses, recognizes and supports your strengths, shares similar values, has dreams that inspire you ... ?

It sounds like you're thinking about a proposal as some sort of natural evolution of the relationship that could theoretically happen now just because she's got a game face on over a potentially unhappy outcome in one other area of her life.

I say this in the kindest sense possible: that's not enough. I could go on for hours here. The takeaway is that you should explore yourself heavily, then use that knowledge you gained to examine her and how she suits you. The kind thing is to then similarly examine how you suit her (this is an unselfish, caring element many people seem to never consider). With that, you should open an honest conversation with her and spend extended time (weeks, months) exploring what your shared future could be. Propose after that, not before.

Congrats on the job at Goldman.

Getting it means you're capable and hardworking and intelligent. If you apply those to work as hard on yourself and your relationship as you do your career, you can find real beauty and fulfillment and make your life rich beyond any financial dimension.

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

Dude you are a saint haha, best advice I have gotten on here and I really appreciate the detailed response. This really put things into perspective for me and I know that I need to sit and talk it out now and not try to justify marriage as an easy way out. Thank you

 

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