My friend, whose wedding Im in, is trying to have his bachelor party this weekend, and I'm debating whether to go. It's going to be a in a house in the poconos, and about 20-30 might be going; its a three day event, golf the first day, then it appears wide open the next couple of days, with nothing planned.
Trying to debate going in my head; on one hand, it will be fun, on the other, theres a lot of people and it just seems like a potential COVID risk to sit around and drink. Could just go for the day, do the golf, and drive back.
Would you go to a bachelor party in this situation? Also, has anyone done anything they deemed somewhat "risky" during quarantine, or been to any house parties?
if i didnt have a baby, i would not give a single flying fuck about covid
so what you're saying is, if you didn't have a baby you'd be okay with spreading a virus that will leave many babies without parents/grandparents?
There is a big difference between not giving a fuck personally and not giving a fuck generally. I personally am not worried about getting covid and go about my life without precaution but if I do get covid I will of course be responsible and quarantine myself until I am no longer symptomatic. And yes I know I could have the virus and be asymptomatic.
I Guess the Question here my Friend is... are you smart? Or are you not
Smart as in you believe in COVID and wouldn't go? or smart as in you believe it's more "hoax-y" therefore you see through the BS and are smart?
Yup. All those 700k people are just playing dead. They're all in on the big joke. This whole hoax goes away in the summer.
Are you willing to quarantine when you get back home? I went to Savannah in June and went out to bars/clubs. Got tested when I got home and was positve for COVID. No symptoms, was just tired for a day or two, but that could have been from binge drinking for 4 days straight.
If you are young then your chances of being seriously ill from COVID are extremely, extremely slim. BUT, make sure you are willing to quarantine for 2 weeks as not to spread it around to other people.
this is probably what I'd do. full bender and then just stay inside for a couple weeks.
Imagine being this paranoid about something with like .05 death rate for young people. vaccine won't be here for years(and may never work), so you can either keep this attitude and never leave the house, or look at the risks and begin to live your life.
It's actually much less than 0.05% for young people. The 0.05% is the average for all age groups and includes people with pre-existing conditions.
The death rate is 3.5% if you assume all cases have been found/logged. Obviously not close to true, and the true rate is likely something like 0.3-0.6%. For someone in their 20s, the fatality rate likely is something like .003% without pre-existing conditions, or .05% with pre-existing conditions.
death rate is small but many people are ignoring the potential long term effects to lungs, etc
This. I have a friend who's in his late 20s. Was perfectly healthy and hardly drank and never smoked tobacco or weed in his life. He got COVID in March and had a pulmonary embolism. He still can't go running or do any physical activity beyond walking because he'll get shortness of breath and chest pains. He has to regularly use an inhaler.
I threw a 4th of July rager, knowing full well I was going to self quarantine for 2 weeks.
Just don't be an idiot.
Yeah and the people you invited are equally responsible, right ..... you half-wit
If there's no plan for hired female companions, then I would opt out. Don't risk going into the wild to hunt your prey on the bachelors weekend. #Covid-19
this is gross
Stop being a pussy and have a good time. Covid is a joke for young people
As long as you aren't living with parents/at-risk people and continue to wear mask while out/socially distance I frankly don't see why you wouldn't...I don't know why people act like youre going to kiss an old person on the lips the next day
ok this is pretty funny
BRO GO
i know COVID blah blah, its serious i know but go and spend time with the BOYS
these are the memories you will always treasure and it'll be good fund
people like you are the reason why asia has been more or less covid-free for months while the u.s. can barely keep a handle on it. just as long as you know that you're the problem and that any person with a modicum of intelligence will resent and judge you, do your thing
This really showcases the difference between Asia and the US. In most of Asia everyone wore masks as soon as the first virus alert happened,starting in January. It was not even mandated by law in most places at the time. People just heard the news of a virus and decided to mask up and stay home voluntarily. WFH was instituted back in January, and then quarantines were put in affect later. By March most of the quarantines were lifted, and people went back to work, restaurants, ec. albeit with masks, precautions, and split teams. Wearing masks is still required by law in all public places, and restaurants are take-out for dinners, but people have been back to work for half a year by now.
In the US everyone is so preoccupied with their individual rights that they forget about individual responsibilities. They don't wear masks because ... well I have no idea why. So, by half-assing quarantines, not fully staying at home, and having a decent chunk of the population not wear masks, the US is going to have no way to beat this virus. So long as some people in the US (like on this forum apparently) get the idea that just because they are young and healthy, it's ok to go be a carrier and endanger others. "F-it , let's go to a bachelor party what's it going to do to me?" Well, your ass is going to go mix in a big herd, get the virus, and you're going to be a passive and asymptomatic carrier. And while it's super unlikely to hurt you at all, you're now an irresponsible silent killer, and are prolonging the problem.
I'm an American living in Asia. I'm pissed off because I love America and it should have gotten over this COVID shit through proper responsibility, and not still be in quarantine anymore. 'Merica has the CDC and fantastic scientists. We should have been #1 in the world in terms of managing and beating this thing. Instead we're among the leaders of the world in infections and death on a per-capita basis. I'm also super annoyed at the idea that some dumb partying kid is going to go kill my 72 year old mom.
I think you're forgetting the part where parts of Asia literally welded people into their apartments for weeks, arrested anyone in the streets, implemented what would be martial law in the US.
Don't act like it was a matter of responsibility and consideration to your fellow man. Most people in asia were literally forced to social distance.
First, what's your point? That people are selfish idiots and laws are needed in an emergency to get thru things like viruses? OK, you win. Maybe social distancing laws are exactly what are needed to get over an epidemic. Is your point also that governments need to take new diseases and science seriously and take need to exercise decisive leadership to beat an epidemic? OK, you win again. 2 points to you.
Second, Asia is not a monolith. China was draconian, but not Korea, HK, Japan. People were free to walk around just fine, but there were appropriate laws put in place, and not anything remotely like martial law. They nipped things in the bud early. People masked up even before the laws were put in place. But that's not really the point - the point is that proper actions were taken and the problem is managed, even in the more liberal countries of Asia.
The funny thing about masks, If everyone uses them, they work really well. They don't do much to prevent the wearer from getting the disease but they work wonders at preventing the wearer from infecting others. So if everyone wears masks and WFH is instituted then the virus gets beaten relatively quickly.
Nobody was forced to do anything anywhere except China. Take your misinformed garbage elsewhere bud
I'm curious. what's wrong with his going to a bachelor party if he wears a mask when he has to and then quarantines when he gets home? this is the part I don't get.
I understand the anger of people flaunting precautionary measures and then going to visit their grandmother, that's dumb. but if I'm wearing a mask in public, going to restaurants with friends and family and then deliberately staying the fuck away from everyone else, why am I the bad guy?
Thanks sir. Always good to see you again. Two things are wrong:
1) that a bachelor party is being held holding a virus-spreading herd event.
2) that it is unlikely that perfect viral containment would be isolated only to the infected
IF you could get N=30 people together and all 30 people could be magically whisked home and put in isolation, maybe there wouldn't be an issue. All 30 would be only risking their own health, and taking a personal gamble. But that's not what's going to happen at all! Those 30 people are going to mix and there will be viruses spread, because it really is that highly contagious. Let's say 20 of the people will then be silent carriers. Given this is a highly infectious virus, that's a real possibility. These 20 will go home in taxis and subways, thereby spreading to others. Sure, they may be going home to a quarantine but they will touch taxi doorhandles, seats, subway turnstiles and train poles. Then they will go to the grocery store to stock up for their 2 week quarantine. That means they will spread the virus to food, shopping areas, the other shoppers, the checkout clerk, etc. That's how highly infectious viruses work - especially respiratory viruses. Now that 20 infected people have left traces of living virus all around the city, on public transportation, and on mobile virus-carrying taxis. They have left viruses that can last for hours on metal, etc.
I don't care if some partier is risking their own health only. If someone wants to take chances with their own life alone, it's all good. But that's NOT what they are doing. They are risking everyone else and upending the applecart.
Here's an actual example from March. One of my friends went to a dinner party in London. There were a dozen guests. Two days later one of the other guests tested positive for COVID and it was understood that he likely was positive before the dinner party. The remaining guests got tested and 7 people tested positive. In that period of time those 7 people likely infected many other people.
Another cases study: A friend of mine from HK went to Barcelona for a bachelor party in late February. He and several other partiers got COVID. Each one of them flew home to different countries. My friend had a dinner with 5 friends after returning to HK. Each of his Barcelona-party friends also interacted with others.
This is why CDC has noted the current social condition to be the "perfect storm" for epidemics. Suggest we all read the work of CDC's Center for Zoonotic Disesases, "perfect storm" is their quote, and they have been saying "perfect storm" since 2003. We now have global travel, rapid inter/intra-city travel, and an increased exposure to new pathogens.
Now your example maybe is a bit more benign. In your example you are wearning mask and staying away from others, so you're doing all you can. But the example given in the OP's post is that he would be going to a party is inviting a spreading of the virus among the herd. A lot of people mixing in a contained space, likely without masks, and passing food and drink around, is simply bad exercise of viral containment.
Perfectly put.
Americans have this weird notion of freedom as being able to do whatever they want to do. I was always taught that freedom comes with responsibility. I mean the very definition of freedom is "being able to do what you want as long as it doesn't infringe on other people's ability to do what they want".
Every enemy of the US has taken note. All any enemy has to do to take down the world's only remaining superpower is launch a highly infectious but non-usually-lethal virus and the US crumbles under its inability to institute basic controls and responsibilities.
god thank you. can i please just copy and paste your response sans the last paragraph whenever i see someone downplaying covid? you said it better than i ever could
I agree with your points about how Asia (esp East / SE) handled the virus but now you are just way off base.
The US did not “collapse” from this virus lol. People need to have some perspective on deaths from disease and US population size. They also need to look at death rate in Europe (hint: it’s actually higher than the US). Also look at the rest of the Americas as well. (Again, hats off to east Asia, but outside of East Asia the US is pretty run off the mill, but apparently the rest of the world follows US domestic affairs like hawks).
Your point about planning a biological attack is just insane btw. China or anyone else isn’t going to develop and plan a massive biological attack against another country lol. This would be tantamount to an unprovoked nuclear attack, and it would literally lead to WWIII if any word of it ever got out.
Btw I’m 100% pro-mask (ridiculous term) and follow all restrictions and guidance. But people need to look at what a collapsed society means and what has happened. I’ve also never seen so many people delude themselves into thinking this is somehow the end of the country / society whatever.
1) Of course, you're right the US didn't collapse. I was speaking in theoretical/hyperbole. I stand by my point that the handling of COVID shows US vulnerabilities.
2) We can agree to disagree. I believe there absolutely are hostile terrorist groups and a handful of nations that would love to strike a blow at the US and don't care if they harm other nations in the process.
3) Actually a virus provides plausible deniability. It also not only causes civilian damage but economic damage and disruption to the social cohesion of the recipient nation.
Much simpler than that. Enemies of the US just have to make a bunch of Facebook posts that water contains microchips and people need to stop drinking all bottled and tap water. No filter can stop it.
To be honest i've had a similar thought, then realized it's likely not true, here's why:
1. If another country launches a virus, it turns back around and will eventually make it's way to their country. That's a fairly uneducated plan of attack.
1a. If another country launches a virus, and it doesn't make it's way back, the US would be able to detect why this is completely new virus or very bad mutation of an existing virus is unlike anything that's been seen before. They would talk to other countries, other countries would say we've never seen it. Any rational country could probably start to detect how it got there etc. Now you have a deliberate act of war from another country. Now you have citizens aware that another country is deliberately, under their government, attempting to harm and or kill them. You have a very real enemy behind the national health and security threatening every bit of your way of life. I'd imagine a fairly different public response, and in fact a very different government response. I really don't think any country wants to do that, seriously, Bio warfare is internationally illegal.
Great points. Do you think if Biden or a Democrat were President, the situation would be much better? As a college student who's stayed indoors for 5 months, had my year effectively cancelled, and feels alone, I just can't help feel angry at the current administration for not having common sense. I realize my situation is not near the worst anyone has faced, but I'm genuinely curious if my frustration at Trump is justified.
earthwalker7 single-handedly destroyed this thread. Took the words right out of my mouth and articulated much better than I could.
The amount of Big Accounts on this thread is under rated.
Side-note: Too many morons in this country wrap themselves in the flag and talk about how being forced to wear a mask infringes on their individual rights. It's embarrassing as fuck.
The day I was able to go back to the gym, I went. Day I could go to bars, I went. Do whatever you feel comfortable with just don't go around breathing on old people after.
Seems like a lot of people for a bachelor party but to each their own.
If it's a best friend and you don't go, you will regret it for the rest of your life.
Damn this is a depressing thread. I came here hoping to brag about flipping a whitewater raft in cat 5 rapids on the upper Yough (yes we hung on and got it upright) and now I'm reading all this.
Also, Goldie, I wouldn't be too worried about the kids. Statistically they are likely to even be significantly safer than you. Freak out about your parents. Being 60+ dramatically increases the risks here even if you regularly run triathalons.
FYI...I thought about what everyone said and my own feelings, decided not to go. Going on Friday to play golf, but then driving back.
can't you just go and self-quarantine after? Seems like a good party...
It’s crazy that people who I would imagine are somewhat quantitatively inclined can’t assess the risk here....if you’re healthy and below 75 not sure you have to worry much about a golfing trip. Cue up the “but the older people!” Maybe don’t swap saliva with anyone 75 years old or people with multiple diseases and all will be well.
Finishing up my senior year at a large state school that has in-person classes. Still going to parties and shit. I'd rather get sick now and near college students as a opposed to being at home with family
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