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Dumb thread. The most electable candidates will always get money flowing to them, not the other way round.
So, following your logic, if one candidate is fully funded by 100 big corporations while the other candidate is fully funded by +100,000 small donors, the most electable one is the corporation's candidate?
The funny thing is, EVERYONE knows that if we have a Romney vs Obama election, Obama is going to walk through him. People are not going to elect a banker.
On the other hand, Paul got a broader support (democrats, independents, youths) that will help him against Obama.
And lol at you thinking Obama will walk over Romney with ARE country people voting. It will definitely be close. And lol just lol at you thinking Ron Paul who didn't win a single primary can win the general election. Just lol.
To win a general election, you need the independent+democrat vote on your side. Ron Paul has it.
Have you considered the fact that Ron Paul is nuts, and his dismantling of the government will destroy the US?
o look, another anti-paul comment with ZERO substance.
To my way of thinking, this is perhaps the best reason to vote for / donate to him. And it wouldn't destroy my section of the US. Just the dependent states.
My concern is literally the opposite. Ron Paul does NOT advocate a system of full dismantling (though I wish he would), he advocates limited government with strict adherence to the constitution.
You are such an ARE country dumb libtard, that you don't even realise your pic proved my point. Read #1 and #2 of my post again, reflect on it, then come at me with a more intelligent response.
Have you looked at ''from organization'' donations?
Please explain how your problem with Romney's donations lies with "big corporations" and not "rich people"? Do you propose a cap on how much rich folks can donate? Or should we just ban rich people from expressing their constitutional rights? Interested to hear your opinion or proposed solution brother.
No substance? The man advocates to get rid of the goddamn government .... how is that not nuts? DO you realize that the country would be in chaos if this was to occur. libertarianism and lassez-faire policy look great as theories for scholars to debate upon, but their LITERAL implementation is insane. In addition, he assumes markets will be perfectly competitive, and thus 100 % efficient .... which won't happen. Monopolies will be produced instead, worker wage minimized, distribution of wealth widened greatly, etc
never knew melaluca balled so hard like that
Still outstanded at the whole "Rich folks (who performed better than me in tests, went to better schools than me, got better jobs than me, and are now much better off than me) are too dumb to see why Ron Paul is the best candidate, or Rich folks only vote against Paul coz they want to protect the status quo".
Please explain how any of Ron Paul's policies threatens the wealth of our wealthy citizens?
Ron Paul only polls well wherever 24 year old unemployed overweight males with neck-beards and predilections for MMORPGs can be found. Hope that helps brother.
Truer words were rarely spoken. If not for Obama supporters, Paul supporters would be the lowest form of human life. College students.
Were you dropped as a baby?
Sad to see so many retards on this thread. Paul is the only candidate running that actually cares about you more than gaining power for himself.
Also, lol, just lol at this http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/11/12/Solicitation2.pdf
Tldr summary: Gov't is imprinting money with special ink that can be used to track you and monitor all your transactions. For $99/yr Ron Paul can tell you how to defeat the system. A 2yr subscription is only $189 and 3 years costs $279.
Also there's a gay AIDS coverup that Ron Paul understands because he's a doctor.
.... just lol at you Paultards who want this dude in ARE executive office. Just lol.
Better to have a president who is corporate hoe like Romney or Barack, than a a borderline lunatic with integrity.
"you label me, I label you" - Metallica
I, too, am curious about this "3,000 donor" claim. The max donation is $2,500. Romney raised $25 million in the 4th Quarter of 2011 alone.
Eddie's political beliefs are moronic, yes.
While I appreciate his commentary, he doesn't even live in the United States.
im voting for obama
come at me op
If you had a choice between Paul and Obama, you'd seriously go w/ Obama?
His economic policies worked, that is why.
So? Some of the craziest people I know are Vietnam veterans. What does veteran status have to do with anything? If you're living in France it's kind of hard to give good commentary on the United States. I'd be hard pressed to write competent political commentary on Wisconsin despite reading some things here or there in the national press.
I'm sorry but the insane ravings of Eddie are just that--insane ravings. I don't even care about his place of residence. His political positions would be wrong whether they were written in Paris or Topeka.
Heard that Mr. Braverman? You're not allowed to comment on U.S matters anymore. lol
That's not what I said. The only point I'm making is that Eddie's political beliefs are entirely irrelevant to me. I haven't agreed with them since I started reading them several years ago. His position on government is of no more strength than Joe Gibbs' position on government. Both men are very competent in their professions but neither's political beliefs are valid just because they are who they are. Same goes for Warren Buffett. Obviously a brilliant guy with transparently incorrect political beliefs.
The insane ravings of a branch manager from a 2 bit no name bank, are just that, insane ravings.
Cool, the internet tough guy.
Bro, I've been reading his rants for the better part of 2 years. I agree with very few of them. I'm not interested in getting into a debate over years of his commentary. Let's just say his rant in this thread is #1.
Got it.
How do you think the US managed to become the wealthiest nation in human history in such a short period of time?
Waiting for your answer VTech
Jesus Christ. Sorry I stepped away from the computer for 20 minutes. Sorry I didn't respond to your question within 30 seconds.
What does that question have to do with anything? If you want I can give you an answer--capitalism, the industrial revolution, and World War II. So?
Edit: I'd also add in the strict enforcement of the rule of law, culture, advanced financial and banking mechanisms, new technology, English common law, our university system and strong and wealthy international trade partners.
How about the size of government? At one point, governement spending (federal+state+local) was 3% of GDP. And that's where we saw the biggest economic growth.
How do you reconcile the fact that we saw a huge amount of real wealth generated with tiny governement in place and the fact that you disagree with Eddie's position because he wants a small governement?
The huge wealth you see in the "guilded age" was in the form of plutocracy. The massive U.S. growth post-WWII occurred at a time when government spending was 50% of GDP.
How didn't his economic policies work @ haters.
How about zero net growth since 2010?
deficit??
Now, who's got more swag, RP or BO?
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swagga on a zillion
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swagga on a zillion
Set up a strawman and then try to crush it?
I'm not an Obama supporter. I don't believe in big gov't or Keynesian economics. But there is a distinct difference between "small gov't" and "dismantling gov't". I believe in a gov't that is pro-business in its tax and regulatory structure and one that runs a balanced budget and that is operated with the least amount of corruption and crony capitalism as possible. I believe in entitlement reform, tax simplification, tort reform, and labor reform. I believe in a gov't that operates with slow change, with powers that are limited and checked by other branches of gov't. I believe in a gov't that is limited by principles of federalism and that is constrained by at least the basic principles of the U.S. Constitution. I believe in a gov't where the heads of each branch of gov't are subject to the rule of law. I believe in a gov't that protects, by and large, the basic rights of the Bill of Rights. And I believe in a government that regulates interstate commerce vigorously and rationally.
But I utterly reject this notion of "dismantling gov't", dissolving the Fed, implementing a gold standard, delegating virtually all authority to 50 different state governments, and pulling out of global politics. This would look like the United States circa 1912, not an advanced nation. This worldview of Ron Paul's is an un-serious and un-Presidential worldview, one fit for college campuses or textbooks, not for a respectable international hyper power.
Then how can you support Romney?
You forgot to quote everything else that I wrote. Romney is a center-right Republican. The rest of what I wrote which you did not quote is basically in line with Mitt Romney's center-right ideology. This is why I've been a Romney supporter for the last 3 years. I'm a center-right Republican. Some rational spending cuts along with raising the retirement age of Social Security and reforming Medicare into a voucher based system could salvage the American republic in one fell swoop. I reject the radicalism of the Ron Paul movement when the fixes to that which ailes us are within REALISTIC grasp.
You're envisioning some kind of lawless post-apocalyptic world where there is zero government. Guess what? The states will police themselves. They provide their own rule of law. And there would still be a federal government under a Ron Paul system, just a smaller one. There's very little the federal government needs to do, because the states will take care of it, and they'll be much more efficient. No state is going to be like the wild wild west where you can get away with murder. What are you so afraid of?
This is what you envision in a textbook. The reality is actually pretty different. Healthcare is a perfect example of a failed system as a result of the federal government's poor use of its powers to regulate interstate commerce. All 50 states and the territories operate a healthcare system that is closer to a healthcare oligarchy than to a healthcare free market system. As a result we have non-market healthcare plans that tens of millions of static state residents must opt for.
As the Republicans proposed as an alternative to Obamacare, pass a federal law that would break up the state healthcare oligarchies and allow for interstate competition.
Again, Ron Paul is textbook, guys like Paul Ryan are reality.
Paul would be an interesting candidate, but he would never garner Congressional support. I believe the only bill he sponsored that passed was to sell Federal property in Texas to become a Museum. As a good American I can only get behind people who would be able to create policies with teeth.
You do realize that Congress is wholly corrupt and has an approval rating of 7% right?
And if all of the incumbents lose, who will replace them? I am of the opinion that Republicans and Democrats do the same things in different ways. It's like having MS guys tell you how much GS guys suck, and vice versa. Same shit, different shovel. Both spend money. The reason is because if you don't spend money or continue to create and pass laws, it looks like you aren't doing anything, and don't deserve your paycheck.
This has been one of my points all along. I don't dislike Ron Paul and I think he makes some great arguments, though some go much further than I would...but everyone loves that he has been consistent...which I can generally appreciate...but when that consistency in messages correlates with consistency in lack of change, I have to start to look elsewhere.
He's spent a half a lifetime in Congress and hasn't done much of anything and that, in all honesty, worries me. If the people he works with on a daily basis don't support his ideas, why is that going to be any different if he is POTUS?
Additionally, as I've said in the past, libertarian ideals just don't work in a society filled with selfish and dependent citizens. I mean honestly, how would we function as a society when every narcotic and previously controlled substance is available on the shelf at every store? And how do we continue to be a productive nation when one state decides that drugs shouldn't be legalized but the neighboring state(s) disagree? Do you erect borders around the individual states in an effort to keep drug traffickers from bringing in the barred substances?
Believe me, there is a lot that I like about taking away large swaths of the federal government's power but I think that, in some cases, it would be nearly impossible to execute. I think the government is ineffective and inefficient and needs to be overhauled, but I think it needs to be executed in a way that ensures rational decisions are being made, not knee jerk reactions, because the law of unintended consequences is always lurking.
Regards
If you've studied Romney politics, you'd see that when Romney plays politics, Romney is the only one who wins, no one else. This is the reason why he only had 1 term as governor of Massachusetts. Barack Obama doesn't have any clue how to deal with economics, so he's relying on polar left keynsians to write policy for him. It's kind of like being between a rock and a hard place, none of the above is best. But if I am thinking in terms of my own future career, I'd have to go Romney. Ron Paul wants to fix the economy, but there's no way he could be successful even if elected.
Ron Paul is the worst candidate
how do you embed images? lol
Only RP supporters have the priviledge to embed images on WSO
What about Rand Paul?
Christ it didn't get this ugly on the Communist thread (OWS). IP just ignored topics that disproved his beliefs lol.
Keynesian Economics work, face it freshwater economics is dead.
Nah, you can ask pretty much anyone who has met me, that is exactly how I would deal with you.
Can I get change for a 100?
hahah, Happy taking it personal.
Wont get involved in this Romney v Paul fight, but either one is better then Obama.
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Swag fer dayz.
No I don't have a 16 yo girlfriend. That's a pure fabrication from his mind. Yeah, I'm sure in real life you'd accuse someone of child molestation because he/she disagrees with you politically.
Who would win a boxing match between happypantsmcgee and Vtech?
I'm not interested in an internet pissing match.
I don't work at Goldman Sachs. I run a start-up branch of a mature bank. I'm obviously Adolf Hitler.
VT4Ever is butt hurt guys
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It is third rate. I'd argue its 5th rate, and that's being generous. It has horrible technology, is poorly managed from the corporate level downward, and is complacent. My hope is to change that and it starts by running my branch competently, letting my production talk for itself and hopefully getting a listening ear from corporate down the road.
The fact that it is 5th rate is sort of what made me want to take on the challenge.
You guys are going too hard on Vtech man.
Government is used by those in power to benefit themselves and control others. Smaller governments have less power to do these things. That is all. I don't know how there can be an argument that government should not at least reduce in size.
Dept of Education is an absolute perfect example. All they do is track state standards and implement No Child Left Behind. All this for the price of $80B a year.
Shut it down, fire everyone, sell the building and BAM, you saved ~$1T in a decade.
Also, the governments answer whenever something goes wrong is more government. They never talk about the fact that they fucked up to begin with.
The Department of Education is a grotesque waste, but when the Republicans broached that issue in the 1990s that were destroyed politically for it. The fact is, it's far easier to item spending cuts than to realize them. The GOP and the Democrats fought bitterly over a $10 billion YOY spending cut on a $3.6 trillion budget.
If the American people aren't with you then you have to do what you can with what you've got. The point others have made is that Ron Paul couldn't even approach a small portion of his proposed budget cuts. He'd get lynched before he was impeached.
double post
ANT for Prez
So IP is a whatever-you-called-him and we should, therefore, ignore his ravings. You are a branch manager at an, admitted, 5th rate bank and I, therefore, will ignore your ravings. I encourage others to do the same.
Since you insist so much on Vtech bank ranking, I'm forced to ask you what do you exactly do?
Happy Patriot's Day eve?
I think he works in private equity. He's a smart guy--probably smarter than me. I just couldn't do the corporate world. It wasn't me. I had a quarter life crisis about 14 months ago, quit my job and ultimately was hired to take this flailing Midwest financial organization to the next level on the east coast. I love my job. It is what it is.
o Vtech, so you're still a young guy (guess around 26)?
27
So tomorrow is a state holiday in Massachusetts, Patriots Day, also the Boston Marathon. Representing the Battles of Lexington and Concord. Now, would RP or MR be better leaders in 1776?
Keep in mind, RP has military experience in the Air Force, and MR has experience as a missionary.
I am going to go out on a limb and say that VTech sounds like a gay
I love Ron Paul and am reading two of his books right now, but there is zero way he would get elected. 50% of this country pay no taxes because of a deductions and government manipulations. Businesses use government to keep competition out and a truly competitive market would make things harder for people.
Competition might be awesome for all of us, but we are generally college educated and motivated by money. The vast majority of this country would be shark bait in a competitive, free market economy.
Liberty is great and you know how you get it? Be rich. If the sheeple want to continually vote for people who erode their freedom then let it be. I could care less.
Was gonna say this is something ANT would say...didn't realize you changed your name.
That figure is not totally true. Roughly 50% of people don't pay federal taxes, but they still have to deal with all the other taxes we have in this country.
The way I see the problem with our government these days is that is too bloated. It's like when people repaint a room, always layering one paint over another. That's fine for the first few layers, but then it begins to get thick and ugly. You have to occasionally strip the old layers to fix it and do a good job.
The Dept. of Education is a great example as you pointed out. $80 billion is ridiculous, but getting rid of it completely is also too extreme. The problem is real reform never happens sadly.
Anyhow,
Hopefully some of you donated to Paul's money bomb !!!
Rand Paul no?
Man, I'd love to chime in but I don't feel like going through a million troll responses. This site has been TrollStreetOasis lately.
Looking back, I feel kinda bad about being a dick. Friends don't let friends drink and post on forums.
I demand this enthusiasm to show up at our Conference in July
Why's everything always gotta get personal on this damn site? Act like a bunch of fucking high-schoolers sometimes. Making fun of someone's career is about as juvenile as making fun of someone's race.
I'm sorry, but anyone that works ANY job has more respect from me than someone who would make fun of another earning an honest living.
I don't think GDP doubled in 1 year though.
The reason the US was able to become the most powerful nation in the world was because of it's manufacturing capability (relative to other nations post WW2), significantly lower national debt (than other countries that had been fighting for nearly 10 years), and the establishment of Bretton-Woods. The rest fell into place. But other countries had similar regimes to the US that allowed for their own wealth to grow, free markets (for entrepreneurs with capabilities) were the cornerstone for imperialism. If you land produces more than my land, I'll kill you and take your land. Free market capitalism. Oh ya, and I'll pay whatever taxes I feel like, just enough to keep you happy, because, well honestly, King, how do you know how much sugar I'm selling in India when I'm dealing in cash, and it takes weeks for any information to get to you? (this is more-so 19th century, but point still stands).
Everyone's cool. I'm not immune from being a dick either. If I can dish it out I have to take it. I've dished the personal shots, too.
"President Reagan, you don't understand our generation, we grew up with television, computers, movies and music."
"You're right, my generation didn't grow up with those things, we invented them."
why does he wanna bomb the money? seems like blowin up all that cash is wasteful
Fight inflation.
To piss the Bernank off
Ron Paul doesn't deserve anyone's money. He is a hack.
I should be the president..
It always amazes me how pro-Paul people on this site are. He's gained little steam since '08, and he's pretty much stuck where he is. He wouldn't fare any better against Obama because everyone not yet voting for him hates him. His biggest donor is Peter Thiel, who's in the Bilderberg group Paul is always raving about, his campaign scammed taxpayers (http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_90/Records-Show-Ron-Paul-Trips-Paid-T…), he's pandered to get the evangelical vote by pushing for the U.S. embassy to be moved to Jerusalem (just like every shitty politician, ever), and his response to losing the RNC straight up to Romney? Try to manipulate the electoral process through some ninja delegate stunt that has no chance in hell of working. Not to mention it's a little ironic for the most honest of all, the good doctor, to think that it's morally OK to scam your way to a victory when you lost the election fairly. He's also been tied to stormfront and other militant white supremacist groups. And on top of all this damning information, his whole campaign has made no attempt to combat Romney in the RNC. He runs pro-Romney ads and has stood up for him in debates in a blatant attempt to get Rand a position in Romney's administration should he win the general. Nepotism at its finest.
The bottom line is that Paul spent more money than Gingrich and Santorum, and has nothing to show for it. He's been eating the scraps of the front-runners since day 1, and that's not going to change anytime soon. It's over gentlemen. Make peace with it.
haters gonna hate that 4 damn sho
Just because someone doesn't share your anxiety about gold, bilderberg, liberty, liberty, money bomb, paul, constitution, liberty gold, doesn't mean they are angry. If you're going to post an image, how about something relevant, like this? The saddest eagle. :(
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