Mitt Romney leads the South Carolina Republican presidential primary with 29%. Newt Gingrich is in second place with 25% and Ron Paul is in third place with 20%.
http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/primary…
Also, a guest on the Laura Ingraham show just said the Romney campaign is talking to the RP campaign.
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Moving from 17% of the primary vote in NH to 20 in SC is the new killing it.
Very different constituencies. For Paul, 20% in SC is far more impressive.
GET 'EM PAUL!
If youre comparing Paul to the views of most south carolineans, sure. If youre comparing his views to those of the competitors, who happen to suck... maybe a bit less.
Stewart takes Gingrich apart. Hilarious:
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Still hoping Dr Paul can pull off a miracle and win SC.
LOL at this anti-Romney ad (saying anything to win).
LOL that the GOP is treating the knowledge of another language, French, as a negative
I've been seeing so much Pro-Paul media over the past few days that it scares me.
Either A) People are FINALLY starting to realize that he's the only serious candidate or B) They are propping him up for a Romney/Paul ticket.
While I wish the latter was false, I can't see the former being true either.
Paultards are pretty scary people. Their zeal, fervor, and messianism eclipse even those of obamatards.
There's no way Paul will be on the ticket. The best he's hoping for is a primetime speaking slot at the national convention and an incorporation of some of his views into the party platform.
You're right to be scared.
We don't want to be on your dipshit ticket, and we don't want to speak at your fuckwit convention. Sorry kid, we want to save the country and will accept nothing less.
Oh please. Paul would lick romney's balls for a chance to be on the ticket. To think otherwise would be utterly naive. At the end of the day, he's a politician and an opportunist. It's fine if you support his policies, but you paultards are falling into the same trap as obamatards by elevating him to a cult personality. Even if Paul were to become president (better chance of jesus coming back to earth riding unicorns), he would be unable to pass any of his domestic agenda. And in foreign policy, we will see a nuclear middle east and a resurgent russia and china dominating the global landscape.
While you might lick Romney's balls for a chance to go to HBS, Paul has a set of principles that would prevent him from cow towing to the status quo.
Ron Paul is where he is mainly because of his principles. People respect him for that. Even when they disagree with some of his opinions they recognize his consistency and integrity.
Look at his Congressional voting record... he's the furthest member from being opportunist.
In all honesty Paul is in the position of power here. It's Romney who might have to lick Paul's balls if he ever hopes to win the general election (when Paul splits the Rep vote). So no, Paul won't be licking any balls.
'At the end of the day he is a politician and an opportunist.'
Please. Paul is the straightest politician in this race and votes based on his beliefs, not his image. To deny any of this just lumps you in with the rest of the Main Stream Media who doesn't know their had from their ass. And an opportunist? Uh.. isn't every politician an opportunist? Isn't every individual who has a respectable stature in our world an opportunist? So.. i don't know what you mean by that. If anything he took the opportunity he's getting now to educate America as opposed to giving some lame Obama-esque speech that Romney gave after NH (Of course all the GOP analysts ranted and raved about the speech, while ignoring the fact that it was full of Obama-like promises and 'change').
Even if Paul were to become President and cut 1 trillion off the deficit and do NOTHING else, that would be well worth it and would trump everything Obama has done over the past 3 years. Your logic goes like this.. congress can't change, so don't elect a President who wants to change things. So we will never change. Fabulous.
Pakistan is a nuclear threat yet we are their ally. Yet we fear Iran who doesn't even possess nukes. Furthermore, Iran would be completely near-sighted (which they are not) to attack Israel with a nuclear weapon. They would be wiped off the face of the earth in minutes. I don't even know what to say about Russia.. really? China is going to overtake the US in growth no matter what.. it's simply a matter of exponential population and infrastructure growth. Electing Ron Paul is not going to hinder that.
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That's good and cute, but the fact remains that he makes much more sense to anyone who wants to see America improve it's financial woes and take a more reserved stance on foreign policy (RP I mean).
I don't think either of those things is bad. War with Iran or anyplace else is likely a negative. Continued exorbitant government spending is bad. If we're to elect a candidate who will continue to spend like a freak, stick with Obama; at least that way we don't wind up funding another war. If Americans choose to grow some brains, Paul is a logical choice. I'm not confident in the latter happening at all, unfortunately.
o look, another anti-Paul comment with ZERO substance.
IMO Paul's 2012 campaign cannot be seen as anything but wildly successful. Even he didn't think he would get the nomination, but the amount of support and media attention he is now receiving is amazing. The movement he leads is growing and fiercely loyal, and it has an easy succession path with Rand already a sitting Senator.
Brady, you apparently believe nobody has any self-respect.
1.) If the president offers me the spot of VPOTUS to lick him, I'm calling the cops. 2.) Ron Paul would rather see Obama reelected than a RINO become president. Same here for me. 3.) If I wind up getting accepted at HBS one day and find out people with your views on prestige are in the same program, I won't be going there. Even if it means I'm not getting an MBA.
There are too many things to do with your life than obsess over prestige.
1.) Take a two week vacation. 2.) Go to Key Largo. 3.) Do some diving. Enjoy some of the coolest coral reefs in the world. Get your OW and AOW certs. Enjoy yourself. 4.) Spend the summer doing some diving on Lake Michigan with newfound friends whom you respect as wreck divers but possess engineering degrees from NIU, IIT, and DePaul. 5.) Approach life with the attitude that someone in markets SHOULD. Respect competence, not prestige.
Holy smackdown batman
This is awesome. I have been advocating for Paul for 9 years now.
The world is changing someone like Brady4MVP doesn't realize that yet as well as the MSM.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/sc/south_carolin…
every major poll still has ron paul fighting with santorum for 3rd...
Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, and Huntsman will not be on the VA ballot. The straight up Romney v Paul match will be interesting
Go Ron Paul! If he can get second, it will be really hard for anyone to argue this is not a two-man race!
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The primary is on a Saturday? Unsure if that's good or bad.
LOL at Romney's tax info... he's a boss but shouldn't be the president of a country such as the United States.
Paul is going to lose SC. He will be 2nd place which will solidify his popularity.
He needs to retire and start or take over the Libertarian party. Get a war chest and stump for Libertarian candidates for Congress. Imagine a 20-30 person Libertarian block. Would be enough to push legislation or swing the Republicans to the right more.
Sad to say, but liberty doesn't benefit uneducated and lazy people. Unfortunately those seem to be the growing voter block.
Sad but true. Unlike say the unions for instance, libertarians seems pretty evenly distributed around the country. Getting enough together to capture even 1 senate seat would be a feat. Even if maybe 20% of America would support a Libertarian candidate, that won't get 20 senators elected. Its a shortcoming of our first-party-past-the-post system.
Libertarianism gets a bad reputation as the party that appeals to entitled college kids who have never had to overcome adversity. But, as anyone who has worked their way up will say, you have a right to the fruits of your own labor. I think the average voter imagines a smaller government as one without police, firemen, etc...but most of the cuts Ron Paul suggests would be imperceptible to most (Dept. of Education anyone?).
In a way, the absence of a "libertarian archetype" for the public to latch onto hurts the party. I doubt a majority of voters even understand what Libertarianism is about, and just lump it as one of the "other" parties. When I met my family over the Holidays, I learned I was the only one there who had even heard of Ayn Rand (Not that she represents Libertarianism). Removing government influence is a hard sell to anybody without training in economics or with strong social views.
Wow after reading this I'm pretty sure Brady4MVP is actually a troll...either that or a very misinformed individual.
I just define libertarianism as being socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I feel like most of the country would describe themselves this way, but most don't look at parties outside the left-right corporate party.
I see libertarianism and Ron Paul movement as distinct. The Ron Paul movement has a disturbingly messianic view of Paul. Long-time friends of mine nearly lose their mind at me or anyone else over the slightest critique of the guy, as if someone were to tell a street preacher that Jesus was a liar and a fraud.
I listen to about 5 hours of talk radio a week--mostly Andrew Wilkow, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. These talkshow hosts have roundly criticized every single candidate on a multitude of private and public issues. It's the Ron Paul crowd only that will call up and get into a shouting match with the host. It's the Ron Paul crowd at CPAC that gets up in people's faces and shouts. I've had people un-friend me on facebook over a negative comment about Ron Paul. You can't read the comments section of an article without Ron Paul people spamming the site and attacking other posters. And WSO is representative of that mindset as well--WSO is probably 70% in support of Ron Paul and it's been a very hateful and negative atmosphere over here in the last 4 or 5 months since the GOP primary has heated up.
At the end of the day I don't think Rand Paul will be able to fill his father's shoes. The Ron Paul movement "feels" much more like a cult than it does a battle of ideas. "Dr. Paul", as his most fanatical fans refer to him as, is really the cult like figure that's inspired an incredibly negative atmosphere from his followers. I'm looking forward to the GOP primary being over January 31 so this poisonous atmosphere will go away.
That's just not true. Ron Paul supporters believe in a movement, not just a candidate. The reason Paul's support is so fervent is that there is finally someone that represents the feelings of so many that share the vision of a constitutionally limited government. If Paul went out and endorsed Romney (Which he won't) his followers would not flock to Romney because we are not sheep and are not controlled by Paul. On the other hand if Nut Gingrich endorsed Romney, I bet a vast majority of his supporters would listen. Also, if Romney endorsed Paul, a good chunk would still go to Paul. Perhaps the key reason Romney is the frontrunner right now is that the MSM and fraudulent right wing talk radio have implanted the idea in their sheep listeners that Romney is electable. In reality, he wouldn't stand a chance against Obama and if Paul ran third party I'd expect Paul would get about the same amount of votes as would Romney, maybe more.
Just because Paul supporters are passionate about their candidate doesn't mean we have a messianic view of him. People are just excited that there is actually a politician that seems to care more about the people than special interests, and to stand on principle over 30 years to do so. I heard a great speech recently talking about Romney's soft support and how compared to Paul, no one ever said that after hearing Romney speak they had a completely different view of the world and that they had become inspired. He's just another "electable" corporate shill who is part of the system that is working to bankrupt and destroy what is left of this country. Sorry you aren't excited about your candidate though.
See, here is your problem. I would not admit in public to listening the these scumbags. You do realize nothing they say is grounded on facts right? They are paid shock jocks, not legitimate political commentators. Their falling viewership is at least a step in the right direction.
Are you serious? Not a battle of ideas? Imagine what this primary season would be like if Paul wasn't in the race? What would the candidates who are all literally identical on the issues debate? Which one has flip flopped more? Well, I guess Romney would still win.
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Jeff, your hateful rants are really case in point of the kind of poison I've seen online and in-person from friends, co-workers, acquaintances and, in your case, perfect strangers since basically the summer. There's something off about it. Ron Paul supporters can't bring themselves to discuss issues without bringing poisonous, hateful rhetoric to the table. When I was listening to Wilkow the other day he was talking to a Ron Paul guy on the radio and he was saying (paraphrased), "Finally! I get to talk to a Ron Paul guy who is rational, level-headed and polite." And Wilkow supports auditing the Fed and the gold standard! He's not exactly an Alan Greenspan monetarist.
In sum, the sensitivity of the Ron Paul movement, frankly, reflects their leader. Many conservative journalists and pundits have found themselves a little perplexed by Ron Paul's sensitivity toward criticism. I think Ron Paul basically walked out on ABC news for asking him about the newsletter controvery and Ron Paul's campaign complained bitterly to Sean Hannity for his questioning of Ron Paul. Sean Hannity, by the way, has asked every single candidate very tough questions in interviews. Paul's campaign is the only one that complained. And it really seems like the movement reflects Ron Paul.
There's just something incredibly unhealthy about it, how the Paul followers have turned ideological opponents into boogeyman. I can't believe the kind of vile that you write, Jeff, as if the other candidates had evil plans in place for America and were crooks and con men.
Not going to take the time to respond to your little delusional rant but just wanted to point out one glaring lie. That was a CNN interview in which after an 8 minute stand up interview Paul took his mic off and the interview ended. Despite him being asked about the Newsletters 10+ times that week from various media sources, inducing CNN the day prior to the interview, the CNN interviewer again asked him repeatably about the newsletters. He responded with the same, "I didn't write them and I diavow them". She continued to ask about them and by the time she began quoting from it, Paul had had enough. Gloria Borger, the CNN interviewer is also married to Lance Morgan, a chief public relations executive for defense companies: http://www.powelltate.com/about-us/our-people/lance_morgan/ (Read Military industrial complex).
And yet you didn't really answer any of his questions. All pap.
Listen, everyone has the freedom to listen to whom they ever want to on the radio. But if you listen to Hannity, Rush, and Glenn Beck, you're obviously going to form a biased opinion no matter how unbiased an individual you are (you say you are, but I beg to ask why you don't mix in more moderate and liberal jockeys just to see both sides of the story from time to time).
Paul supporters aren't poisonous and hateful. Paul supporters do not cheer when a candidate chants 'kill them' and literally balks at the minor idea of going to war with someone like Iran.
The only reason Paul supporters are aggressive in changing others minds is because they realize that they are going up against a propaganda machine that can change people's views in a snap of a finger. It's like fighting an up hill battle for years and then being derailed by some false piece of propaganda that played on TV for fifteen seconds.
It's downright frustrating.
And that is why Paul supporters can seem a bit 'angry' at times. We can't understand the stupidity of both the left and the right. Some things are just clear as day to us, have been for 10-15 years, and still are. There is no denying that Paul was the only politician to predict 90% of what is happening in our world 10 years ago. But it's as if when some 'old guy' has some 'new' or 'radical' idea, he is labled as crazy uncle Ron.
Obviously Ron Paul will not win the election this year. At best he may give Obama another win. But I have no doubt that the next four years will see greater economic difficulty and suffering on a national and world wide basis. Our only option will be printing of money and invading of foreign countries to secure future oil supplies.
This has been our answer for some time now. Eventually we will all realize that this cannot last forever. But as of now, no one wants to believe crazy uncle ron.
Umm, it wasn't a glaring lie--I said I "think" ABC news. It was CNN.
Yes, I'm sure Paul was being cross-examined by the conspiracy that is the military industrial complex. Where did you say the UFO landed again?
He didn't walk out.
GLENN BECK: RON PAUL BACKERS THREATENED MY LIFE http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/glenn-beck-ron-paul-backers-threatened-my-li…
Ron Paul goonz squad
3 new SC senators endorse Ron Paul
The Glenn Beck thread proves my point. Ron Paul has the backing of about 15% of the Republican Party and yet every single thread is spammed with comments from Ron Paul supporters. It's strange and weird. I listen to Glenn Beck here and there and Beck is with Paul on 90% of the issues and yet the Paul supporters still savage him all the time because Beck diverges on a few points. There is really something...deluded, irrational and straight up fucked up with the psychology of the Paul cult. Either you're with them 100% or you are against them.
I can't wait unitl January 31 when Romney has swept the primaries in January and you Paul supporters are standing at the ledge.
Looks like a pretty good chance we find out tomorrow morning that Romney actually lost Iowa. He was given 20 more votes than he received in one county.
Called it.
Glenn Beck is a cunt
Interesting book I read today: http://www.amazon.com/Great-Stagnation-America-Low-Hanging-Eventually/d…
Basically, the premise is that we will have much slower growth in the near-long term until new technological innovation rolls around to increase productivity. This will further hurt governments and lead to more problems and more "promises" that can never be met.
I think people are still stuck in the old mindset that things will just get taken care of. Things are changing, and we need to change our political viewpoints going forward. The government is going to have to shrink and become more efficient. Growing government works fine if everyone else is growing to support you, but once the party ends than the growth must stop, or the market will make it stop.
Growing automation will only increase pressure for socialism. The uneducated, helpless and unimaginative will never be able to compete against machines or a growing economy. Unfortunately these people still have a vote in Democracy. They will blame others, cry out about the "unfairness" of the situation and demand that they be heard and listened to. Our advancement is slowed by these people, like injured soldiers on a march.
We either accept being slowed and learn to love it or deal with the laggards in some other way. Maybe forced retraining or a cruise ship to Somalia.
He'll run as an independent, hopefully.
No way in hell I'm voting for Romney or Newt in the general. The difference between the DINO and the RINO is that the DINO won't start another war. Rick Santorum, maybe. But not until Ron Paul's out.
This is my point of view too. Another war is the absolute worst thing that can happen to America right now, in my opinion. I can put up with having a moderate Democrat POTUS if it means peace. Paul or Obama for me.
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