Sarah Palin should be banned from politics.

http://www.wisepolitics.com/sarah-palin-north-kor…

Sarah Palin's slip on the current North Korea issue:

“But obviously, we’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies.”
After being corrected by the radio host,the Tea Party darling went on to add:
“Yeah. And we’re also bound by prudence to stand with our South Korean allies, yes.”

I absolutely cannot believe this woman. Just wow.

Edit:
Wow, didn't expect to see such a heated argument on the thread, but on a personal note, some responses have been directed towards me about how "banning" someone from politics is impossible, ridiculous, etc, and yes, thank you, I obviously know that already... I just put up a controversial and dumb title to get some viewers... heh x_x
Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving.

 
WallStreetKid:
Palin will never sniff the Presidency. It's honestly sad that she is still in the public arena. Most if not all of my friends are smarter than she is.

First, I don't know what being "smart" has to do with being allowed in politics. Second, I doubt you know what her IQ is, so you probably don't know for sure if your friends are smarter than she is, you are just assuming.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 

I like how you want to ban someone from politics because they misspoke but you aren't calling for Obama's or Biden's heads after all the stupid crap they say. Obama doesn't even know how many states America has and Biden attempted to cajole a crippled man out of his wheelchair by cheering and telling him to "Stand up so everyone can see you".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4

The gaffes of the current sitting P and VP are far greater than that of someone who isn't even a politician,

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 

I don't think Palin could raise the money to win a bid. Tea Party candidates did alright in primaries but some got slaughtered at the polls. Presidential elections are different... I don't see big donors coming out in favor of Palin since she doesn't have any idea what she is doing.

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Yes, we all know Sarah Palin isn't the brightest politician in the world, especially when it comes to foreign affairs. I mean she can only talk about "common sense conservatism" so much before she actually has to answer questions with substance. For the sake of the republican party, I hope she doesn't become a candidate.

As for saying stupid things, the Bush slip-ups were extremely publicized. Most people can name a few off the top of their heads. But Barack Hussein Obama has had just as many himself. Messing up # of states, saying healthcare costs can decrease 3,000%, not knowing how to say corpsman, and many more that I can't remember. But hey, he gave himself a solid B+.

 

She misspoke. What is the big deal. Obama's teleprompter broke and he thanked himself.

People shit on Palin so much, but she is the epitome of a skilled marketer. The woman was a little known governor and know she is a multi millionaire and an extremely powerful promoter.

Everyone hates the tea party and then in the same breath they complain about the government moving too far from their roots. You cant win with people. Don't bother trying to get a grass roots movement going because as soon as you do people will call you extremists.

The demographics on the typical "tea party" supporter are clear. Middle class, educated, and older. Sounds a lot more stable and worldly than a bunch of 20 somethings who think they know everything.

 
Anthony .:
She misspoke. What is the big deal. Obama's teleprompter broke and he thanked himself.

People shit on Palin so much, but she is the epitome of a skilled marketer. The woman was a little known governor and know she is a multi millionaire and an extremely powerful promoter.

Everyone hates the tea party and then in the same breath they complain about the government moving too far from their roots. You cant win with people. Don't bother trying to get a grass roots movement going because as soon as you do people will call you extremists.

The demographics on the typical "tea party" supporter are clear. Middle class, educated, and older. Sounds a lot more stable and worldly than a bunch of 20 somethings who think they know everything.

I don't think anyone should support a party whose "leader" spreads lies and thinks that the US should not trade globally

 
Anthony .:
She misspoke. What is the big deal. Obama's teleprompter broke and he thanked himself.

People shit on Palin so much, but she is the epitome of a skilled marketer. The woman was a little known governor and know she is a multi millionaire and an extremely powerful promoter.

Everyone hates the tea party and then in the same breath they complain about the government moving too far from their roots. You cant win with people. Don't bother trying to get a grass roots movement going because as soon as you do people will call you extremists.

The demographics on the typical "tea party" supporter are clear. Middle class, educated, and older. Sounds a lot more stable and worldly than a bunch of 20 somethings who think they know everything.

Seriously, Anthony, fuck off. Palin is a fucking embarrassment to this country. She herself is not a skilled marketer by any means--it is her handlers that know what they are doing from that perspective. Even then, the fact you applaud that makes you equal with that scum. Seriously dude, she is a fucking embarrassment to any person who actually has a bit of conservatism in them and she, along with many of her Republican cronies, destroyed any real notion of a fiscally responsible gov't that leaves people alone and let the ignorant, stupid, racist, and worthless religious right take over their movement.

If anybody here voted for her in the last election, you should feel ashamed.

 
Jerome Marrow:
Anthony .:
She misspoke. What is the big deal. Obama's teleprompter broke and he thanked himself.

People shit on Palin so much, but she is the epitome of a skilled marketer. The woman was a little known governor and know she is a multi millionaire and an extremely powerful promoter.

Everyone hates the tea party and then in the same breath they complain about the government moving too far from their roots. You cant win with people. Don't bother trying to get a grass roots movement going because as soon as you do people will call you extremists.

The demographics on the typical "tea party" supporter are clear. Middle class, educated, and older. Sounds a lot more stable and worldly than a bunch of 20 somethings who think they know everything.

Seriously, Anthony, fuck off. Palin is a fucking embarrassment to this country. She herself is not a skilled marketer by any means--it is her handlers that know what they are doing from that perspective. Even then, the fact you applaud that makes you equal with that scum. Seriously dude, she is a fucking embarrassment to any person who actually has a bit of conservatism in them and she, along with many of her Republican cronies, destroyed any real notion of a fiscally responsible gov't that leaves people alone and let the ignorant, stupid, racist, and worthless religious right take over their movement.

If anybody here voted for her in the last election, you should feel ashamed.

Wow, for everyone saying how Palin is a fool, you just made her look smart.

I think Rangel, Tom Delay, Nixon and a host of others far outrank Palin as embarrassments for this country. You assertion that she isn't a skilled marketer really are off base also. She was elected to the governorship before anyone knew who she was. She was picked to be the VP and her star has now surpassed the guy who used her as a token to get the female vote. Palin is a political force with serious clout.

Here is a hint. Try and be a tad unbiased in your opinions.

"worthless religious right" You so discount religion and people who try and live a basic Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Islamic life. I suppose everyone should denounce their beliefs and obey your word because it is obvious that you are the all seeing and all knowing light of the world.

Or maybe you are just a guy with an opinion you pulled out of your ass.

Try engaging in an intelligent argument next time. You might come off a little less silly.

 

Well, banning Palin from politics was obviously an exaggerated expression, but what I got out of this is that it's sad that politicians actually have to be or even become "average" in order to appeal to the public. And perhaps the other way around -- "average" politicians and candidates appeal more to the common people. I mean... I don't know about you, but I would like some smart people in power. So why are we aiming for mediocrity?

 
rachmaninoff3rd:
Well, banning Palin from politics was obviously an exaggerated expression, but what I got out of this is that it's sad that politicians actually have to be or even become "average" in order to appeal to the public. And perhaps the other way around -- "average" politicians and candidates appeal more to the common people. I mean... I don't know about you, but I would like some smart people in power. So why are we aiming for mediocrity?

Unfortunately politicians aren't employed to decipher mathematical theorems or to build algorithms at a hedge fund, they are here solely to represent "the people" and should, to some degree, reflect that. I am all for intelligent people being in positions of authority but when they feel they are smarter and better educated than their constituents and therefor decide they know better than the rest of us...that's a problem and that's what we've had recently.

This country was/is built on the back of blue collar workers and entrepreneurs who own/run small businesses, not huge Fortune 500 companies, and many of these folks are educated at regular run of the mill public high schools and state colleges, not prep school and Ivy league universities but we have some how managed to become the greatest nation on the face of the earth. Success and mediocrity are defined in different ways by different people. There are probably homeless people you pass on the way to work in the morning and you think, "What a failure, doesn't have a house to live in or a nice suit on his back" while he stares back at your thinking, "What an idiot, wearing that stuffy suit and being stuck in the rat race just so he can pay his rent".

I'm sure your point is that we should have qualified people in the office, and I agree, but it's important to note that one characteristic doesn't define a person's ability to be successful. Just look at Obama, superior education and a renowned speaker (I personally think that is a load of crap, but I grew up going to church and I've heard very great orators speak about passionate subjects, so Obama falls short in my opinion) and he hasn't done anything of substance while in office.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 

Most people thought Barack Hussein Obama was smart. Ivy league educated. Great orater. Smart and black, even, I mean there are very few of those.

We see how this turned out.

10% unemployment (But really more like 16% unemployment). Hundreds of billions of money wasted on extremely unsuccessful. Healthcare reform that will ruin the industry. Actually believing in global warming, and promoting cap and trade (we all know how incredibly dumb this is). Probably some more that I can't think of because I'm more focused on the Cowboys v. Saints game right now.

Yeah, but Sarah Palin is the "stupider" one.

 
jonnyseed:
Most people thought Barack Hussein Obama was smart. Ivy league educated. Great orater. Smart and black, even, I mean there are very few of those.

We see how this turned out.

10% unemployment (But really more like 16% unemployment). Hundreds of billions of money wasted on extremely unsuccessful. Healthcare reform that will ruin the industry. Actually believing in global warming, and promoting cap and trade (we all know how incredibly dumb this is). Probably some more that I can't think of because I'm more focused on the Cowboys v. Saints game right now.

Yeah, but Sarah Palin is the "stupider" one.

10% unemployment - not really something anyone could have prevented. We was dealt this hand, he did not create it.

Healthcare reform have is its up and downs, but he is also the first person in a long time to do something about it. remember the movie john Q., anything is better than the old health care program.

believing in global warming..? Global warming is a fact, only question is on what is the cause. Promoting caps and trades is not always bad. Econ 101, sometimes Gov't need to regulate industries before they destroy them self, as the full social cost is not charge to the firms. (i.e. over fishing, pollution, etc.)

and yes Sarah Palin is dumber... I defend her right to participate in politics, but even more rigorously my right to not take her seriously.

 

***** yes, I know this is put together from a select few individuals and in no way represents the average sarah palin voter******

just thought this was funny :D

 

[quote=Rick James]***** yes, I know this is put together from a select few individuals and in no way represents the average sarah palin voter******

just thought this was funny :D

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You can really do this at any event for a political figure. You think Obama voters knew who the hell they were voting for, other than an intelligent black man who was going to give them free money.

WE LOVE HIM! THAT'S WHY WE VOTED FOR HIM!! OBAMA!!! OBAMA!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

I hate that I posted a video that had Rush Limbaugh. I apologize in advance.

 

Anthony, you're embarrassing yourself at this point. And confusing the religious right in the political sense with people that have beliefs (however moronic) and practice them without intruding on others just shows that no amount of schooling will make an illogical hack logical.

 
Jerome Marrow:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/In-War-Against-the…

and more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/22/palin-wont-waste-time-o… durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr can she even form coherent sentences? cmon son, this bitch is an embarrassment. She is a great example of why democracy fails.

Even intellectuals (assuming SP isn't one) know that democracy fails. Its right in The Republic.

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<span class=keyword_link><a href=//www.wallstreetoasis.com/finance-dictionary/what-is-london-interbank-offer-rate-libor>LIBOR</a></span>:
Jerome Marrow:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/In-War-Against-the…

and more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/22/palin-wont-waste-time-o… durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr can she even form coherent sentences? cmon son, this bitch is an embarrassment. She is a great example of why democracy fails.

Even intellectuals (assuming SP isn't one) know that democracy fails. Its right in The Republic.

touché LIBOR.

Anthony, you're the king of biased opinions. SP is a fucking dumb ass. She's an embarrassment to the republican party, our political system and our country. Palin mania is just another public obsession that distracts people from issues that really matter.

Unfortunately Palin is politically savvy and cannot/will not be banned from politics. People support Palin because she represents the opposite of elite. This is not because she didn't come from money, but because she doesn't have an education.

"She misspoke. What is the big deal. Obama's teleprompter broke and he thanked himself. "

No. Dubya would misspeak all the time and it was excusable because he knew what was going on. The "North Korean allies" slip aside, if you listen to the rest of the interview, it's clear she is just rambling and has no idea what the fuck is going on.

 

How am I embarrassing myself? I made a statement, you came back with insults and biased opinions. I refuted what you say and you just keep coming back, talking in circles.

To say Palin is a puppet is to ignore the fact that she successfully ran and won the governors race in Alaska. She was also selected as a VP candidate entirely to win the female vote and as a counter to the first black president. After the election she was discounted and thought to be a splash in the pan. Since renouncing her position as the governor in Alaska she has gain significant support, following and political power.

Also, no where did I say I support Palin or would vote for her. I am just stating a fact.

And thank you for clarifying your distinction between politically religious individuals and non politically religious individuals. I still think you are way too judgmental for your own good.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/144491/palin-unfavorable-score-hits-new-high…

Palin is obviously a polarizing candidate. She is so on purpose. Here approval/disapproval numbers indicate this. The fact that you don't see McCain in any polls anymore indicates to me that Palin knows how to spin a story. This is called being politically savvy. Respecting this is about respecting the game. Plain and simple. Don't agree with it, don't disagree, but it is what it is.

Jerome, you can call me all the names you want. Your arguments are weak and you don't back them up. Only one who is looking illogical or silly in this thread is you.

 

Wait, so Obama refuses to be on Fox or even recognize their reports and this is cool, but Palin says she is not going to let someone who is openly hostile towards her have an interview and this is stupid? I completely agree with Obama and I completely agree with Palin. Why waste your time.

I saw that Atlantic article and yeah, Palin messed up a little with that. I also 100% support her message that parents should be deciding what kids eat and not the government. Why is that so hard for people to accept. The government needs to focus on fixing the budget, finishing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and reducing its size. Let parents make the lunch choices.

 
Anthony .:
The government needs to focus on fixing the budget, finishing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and reducing its size. Let parents make the lunch choices.

That's all well and good until junior's stupid parents let him eat twinkies all day and he gets government health care which you pay for. I'd prefer to save the cash long-term not dealing with medical costs of foolish fatties and have the nanny state take all the shit that tastes good out of the vending machine in P.S. 129.

Regardless of whether you believe the fact there's an army of little butterballs rolling around has more to do with their parents not giving a shit, not knowing better, or a lack of access to fresh food and safe places to play, from a cost/benefit standpoint, it's probably better to intervene sooner rather than later.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of Starwood Points
 

I'm extremely bemused by this entire thread. Since I don't want to get between WSO's own version of John Rocker... er... I mean Jerome Marrow... and Anthony, I'm going to let them duke out their own opinions and watch from the sidelines as John Rocker fails to bring a valid and unbiased argument to the table while taking Anthony's point of view with a grain of salt. I gotta stay unbiased in the matter, but my money's on Anthony to win this. Sorry John Rocker... er... Jerome Marrow, but looks like the odds are stacked against you.

To the OP, banning some one from politics is like banning people from drinking, it won't work. If Palin wants to run for President, she'll go through the exact same process as everyone else that wants to run under the Republican or Democratic banners pursuant to them meeting the criteria of being able to run for President. As long as you have the support of your party or are able to fund your own campaign and are able to get enough support that you are added to the ballot for whatever race you are running, then go ahead and run.

You may not like the candidate, so you won't vote for them. Do not, however, propose something that takes fundamentally alters the way we are allowed to choose our leaders. As much as I hate many politicians (and I've been vocal about that here), if people want to vote for them and they are elected, then they become our representatives and we have to deal with it until either they are elected out of office, they hit their maximum term limit or they step down.

Plus, there have been people that are supposedly far brighter than Palin ahemJon Corzine* elected to run more important states and have done a far worse job than she could ever do.

 
Frieds:
I'm extremely bemused by this entire thread. Since I don't want to get between WSO's own version of John Rocker... er... I mean Jerome Marrow... and Anthony, I'm going to let them duke out their own opinions and watch from the sidelines as John Rocker fails to bring a valid and unbiased argument to the table while taking Anthony's point of view with a grain of salt. I gotta stay unbiased in the matter, but my money's on Anthony to win this. Sorry John Rocker... er... Jerome Marrow, but looks like the odds are stacked against you.

To the OP, banning some one from politics is like banning people from drinking, it won't work. If Palin wants to run for President, she'll go through the exact same process as everyone else that wants to run under the Republican or Democratic banners pursuant to them meeting the criteria of being able to run for President. As long as you have the support of your party or are able to fund your own campaign and are able to get enough support that you are added to the ballot for whatever race you are running, then go ahead and run.

You may not like the candidate, so you won't vote for them. Do not, however, propose something that takes fundamentally alters the way we are allowed to choose our leaders. As much as I hate many politicians (and I've been vocal about that here), if people want to vote for them and they are elected, then they become our representatives and we have to deal with it until either they are elected out of office, they hit their maximum term limit or they step down.

Plus, there have been people that are supposedly far brighter than Palin ahemJon Corzine* elected to run more important states and have done a far worse job than she could ever do.

Corzine wasn't fit for public service, at least not in an executive role in NJ. I just don't think he knew how to handle the political process in this state. He had the same ideas as Christie (reduce the budget), but he just couldn't/wouldn't take on special interests or "bargain" with others in Trenton. I don't think he is used to having to give something to get something back (people probably kissed his ass non stop at GS) At least thats my take. Thoughts?

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What is so funny is I would never vote for Palin either lol. I want someone a little more middle ground and without the social issues.

All I want is a smaller government, less taxes and reduction of the deficit. I think efficiency and cutting wasteful spending could achieve all of these goals without really hurting anyone. Alas, simple is not politically attractive.

I just hate the blatant bias people have and the dismissive attitude towards her. The chick is playing a part and doing a good job. If you asked anyone before Obama won if Palin would still be relevant two years later everyone would laugh at you.

 

Why is Bush being brought into this?

You call Palin a dumb ass and then say she is politically savvy. I am confused.

I am the king of biased opinions? How so? I have changed my opinion a bunch of times on this board once information was made light to me. I have strong opinions and I am welcome to a debate on them.

You think she is an embarrassment. I think electing someone because he repeated Hope repeatedly is a joke. To each their own.

 

Thanks Peter. I didn't realize government dictating a persons private life is not exceptable because it makes financial sense. Yet another reason not to have government paid for healthcare.

Uncle Sam, stay the fuck out of my private life.

 
Anthony .:
Thanks Peter. I didn't realize government dictating a persons private life is not exceptable because it makes financial sense. Yet another reason not to have government paid for healthcare.

Uncle Sam, stay the fuck out of my private life.

Wow, what a tool you are. Let me guess, you love zerohedge.com and then you repeat what you read at dinner to people.

 
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LIBOR, that's exactly my point with the reference to Corzine. It doesn't matter how smart you are, you need the political savvy as well in order to play the game. That's the way it is, hands down, and will always be. Clearly Palin has enough savvy and wit about her politically that she is still in the game and will be a force to be reckoned with for a long time.

I will be curt on Corzine, as it is a bit off topic. I will admit that New Jersey is not the easiest place to be a politician and concede that very point, but the fact remains that Corzine was a smart man and understood the necessities of running a multi-billion dollar publicly traded company and was smart enough to be a capable senator. Unfortunately, despite being a US Senator, Corzine did not understand how to be true politician and, in turn, was unable to play the game at a the intermediate level, let alone in the Advanced Third Phase PhD level class that is Politics in Trenton. Despite wanting to change things, his backers were the unions and the special interest groups, so he was forced to play to his supporters. The biggest difference between Corzine and Christie is that Corzine's mandate came predominantly came from the support of Democrats in traditionally poorer, lower income areas like Newark and Camden, through the political bosses like Norcross and Menendez and from the support of the unions, namely the NJEA and the State Workers Union. When Christie was elected, he had no support from any of the State Unions or the NJEA and still won. The other difference is that Christie, being an Lawyer by trade, either knew personally or and had dealt with a number of the Lawyers who serve as state senators and assemblymen while he was working at Dughi Hewitt.

 
Anthony .:
Sorry, I watch mainly the BBC and Bloomberg TV. Never been on zero hedge before.

This thread is for people with opinions. Go form one and then come back.

"Uncle Sam, stay the fuck out of my private life."

Mmmmmm.....what an amazing opinion.....

 
Anthony .:
Sorry, I watch mainly the BBC and Bloomberg TV. Never been on zero hedge before.

This thread is for people with opinions. Go form one and then come back.

Surprise at watching BBC seeing as conservatives here seem to think its biased against the right wing. I on the other hand think its probably one of the most neutral news vendor out there

Edit: Also you can't expect people to take a party seriously whose "leader" spreads lies and thinks America should not trade globally

 
Anthony .:
Sorry, I watch mainly the BBC and Bloomberg TV. Never been on zero hedge before.

This thread is for people with opinions. Go form one and then come back.

Silver banana for watching Bloomberg TV. Probably my favorite channel (unfortunately, I do not get it at school).

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1) Get real. This entire thread has been full of opinions. Nice of you to take one single comment, out of context, and attempt to use it to validate your point.

2) Yes, Uncle Sam, get the fuck out of mine and everyone elses personal life. I do hope you agree with that statement.

The government has a couple of real obligations. Last time I checked, regulating my diet for me was not one of them. I do not support government intrusion in its citizens personal lives. I think people have the right to make decisions that effect themselves and to deal with the subsequent consequences.

I am beginning to consider your posts to be nothing other than a weak attempt to troll. Please change course and prove me wrong.

 
Anthony .:
1) Get real. This entire thread has been full of opinions. Nice of you to take one single comment, out of context, and attempt to use it to validate your point.

2) Yes, Uncle Sam, get the fuck out of mine and everyone elses personal life. I do hope you agree with that statement.

The government has a couple of real obligations. Last time I checked, regulating my diet for me was not one of them. I do not support government intrusion in its citizens personal lives. I think people have the right to make decisions that effect themselves and to deal with the subsequent consequences.

I am beginning to consider your posts to be nothing other than a weak attempt to troll. Please change course and prove me wrong.

I personally think it is silly to have resentment towards the government and its involvment in citizens' lives. Perhaps a world with no government would work if the world was full of well educated, sane individuals. But that's not the case, is it?

You do not want government because you see the world through your prespective of a well educated young man, but not everyone is like you, and therefore not everyone will have your same judgment you have. Just take a look at the evening news if you do not believe me, it is full of lunatics out there, and without a minimum of govt intervention this world would end up being even more messed up that what it already is.

In regards to govt regulating what u can eat, first of all that's an exaggeration and u know it, second of all that's not the result of govt acting like a communist, but it is the result of lawyers suing everything that moves in this country. And that's more due to capitalism than to communism belive it or not.

 

When I say I want the government out of my life I am not talking about the mayhem. I am talking about the government not treating me and other Americans like a child. We do not need certain foods banned. We do not need laws forcing us to buckle up. We do not need countless regulations and restrictions for things that only effect us.

This is not to say I think the police department should be disbanded and people should fend for themselves. I simply think that the government should not interfere with the normal functioning of peoples lives.

I also do not think I am somehow special because of my education. If stupid people want to over eat, smoke, drive without a seat belt, who cares? They are taking the risk and they will have to deal with the results. I think it is perfectly fine to resent an overbearing government that has grown continually and over reached its boundaries. I think it is perfectly fine to criticize and push for it to be restricted and reduced because at the end of the day the government is wasting OUR money.

Also, I am just as stupid as everyone else. Just because I have an advanced degree in one field does not mean my intelligence transfers to other areas. Doctors continually fall into this trap. I believe that this was one of Socrates main points. I am wise because I realize how little I truly know.

 
Anthony .:
When I say I want the government out of my life I am not talking about the mayhem. I am talking about the government not treating me and other Americans like a child. We do not need certain foods banned. We do not need laws forcing us to buckle up. We do not need countless regulations and restrictions for things that only effect us.

This is not to say I think the police department should be disbanded and people should fend for themselves. I simply think that the government should not interfere with the normal functioning of peoples lives.

I also do not think I am somehow special because of my education. If stupid people want to over eat, smoke, drive without a seat belt, who cares? They are taking the risk and they will have to deal with the results. I think it is perfectly fine to resent an overbearing government that has grown continually and over reached its boundaries. I think it is perfectly fine to criticize and push for it to be restricted and reduced because at the end of the day the government is wasting OUR money.

Also, I am just as stupid as everyone else. Just because I have an advanced degree in one field does not mean my intelligence transfers to other areas. Doctors continually fall into this trap. I believe that this was one of Socrates main points. I am wise because I realize how little I truly know.

Actually we end up dealing with the results of other people's mistakes because our tax money believe it or not also pays for obese families, so it is a burden to the entire society.

And in regards to the govt telling us to buckle up, I am assuming you were just providing an exaggerated example, and I hope u do not really think it should not be the law to buckle up, because it would mean you never spent time with first time drivers who are obviously too young to grasp the risks of driving without a seatbelt. Or u never heard of people who are still alive thanks to the seatbelt they were wearing. And don't come and tell me that most people wear a seatbelt because they want to. Most wear it because they know it is the law. If it was not the law, guaranteed most people would not wear it.

Just go to italy were police is not as strict as here and u will find almost no one wearing seatbelts. Also, take a look at how many european drivers do not respect traffic signs. Why? Lack of strict police. Here in the us, u get your ass kicked if u cross on red or do not wear a seatbelt. U get an expensive ticket, and that's the only way most people respect the rules. Don't forget that most rules come into place as a result of repeated violations by the population, not the other way around.

 

from a European perspective, Palin comes across as so utterly retarded, she is probably right now the prime reason why Europeans believe all Americans are complete idiots. Someone like this should not be active in the public space in a serious role. Palin could be like a popstar or something where her bimboish qualities are more appropriate.

 
tireds:
from a European perspective, Palin comes across as so utterly retarded, she is probably right now the prime reason why Europeans believe all Americans are complete idiots. Someone like this should not be active in the public space in a serious role. Palin could be like a popstar or something where her bimboish qualities are more appropriate.

in before: "europeans are stupid socialist pricks anyway"

 

See, there is the problem. When government subsidizes people they have an incentive to infringe on freedom. Government should ensure companies abide by law, not step in and play mom and dad.

Yes, I think the seat belt "law" is nothing more than a revenue generator. The small fine, irregularly enforced is a pretty weak deterrent in my opinion. People are told repeatedly that wearing a seat belt saves lives. I wear mine and make those who ride with me wear theirs. I do it not because I care about a fine that I would most likely not receive. I do it because it is common sense safety.

See, when you start making arguments that the government should do things because it is safe or to protect us from ourselves, you start on a slippery slope. How about the government should have cameras in every home to make sure we go to sleep when we should because drowsiness has been shown to be as unsafe as driving with a couple drinks. How about regulating what we eat, the clothes we wear or the behavior we engage in. Sickness costs all of us money through reduced productivity and it can be reduced through regular hand washing and a better diet.

Real easy to start down this road.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

Disregarding traffic lights and signals endangers those around you.Not wearing a seat belt endangers only yourself.

Enforcing the rules of the road IS a job of the government (aka police). Enforcing personal behavior is not.

 

So the govt should not be involved in first time drivers who are too dumb to know right from wrong and more often than not prefer not to wear a seat belt? Should we let them just die because they are acting irresponsibly therefore it is their problem ?

Again, you are talking with the idea that everyone thinks like you do. Believe me, most people out there are not like you. There is a lot of ingorance out there, it is amazing. This country especially has a huge problem with education. You either got the money to afford a good one, or you are left out and all you have is very basic education. Not sure where you live, but if you r in nyc or any other big city, than you are not seeing the rest of the real population out there. This is a huge country, and the more you go and check out the inner states, the more you will realize that it is pretty bad.

U r thinking that everything is efficient on its own and no one should intervene. Well so didn't we learn anything from the past few years from wallstreet? Didn't we get in huge trouble because greed took over and lending got drunk ? And no one was regulating anything, yet look at what happened, people took advantage. And that's what will always happen, people will always take advantagd if they think they can get away with it.

Now everyone is bitching against obama for wallstreet regulations etc. But i mean, so what the hell r we supposed to do ? U let them play, and they end up stealing. You regulate, and u r a communist. The tsa gets strict, they are rapist. They let loose, they are not doing their job.

At the end of the day, all the tea party really is is abunch of frustrated closed minded people who only complain wihtout even having an alternative that makes sense. Good luck wishing on no tsa, no govt and no wallstreet regulation. This country in six months would get bombed all over, and banks would collapse because let's face it, most of them are really worthless and a few of the greedy ones will profit while the economy goes to hell. Then i wanna see what the tea party is gonna say.

 

I am liking you more and more Future.

1) I do not think people think like me. I assume everyone things differently. That is why I want people to make up their own choices. You give an example of young people not buckling up. Can you point to some data that shows a $65 dollar ticket is the difference between a kid putting on their seat belt? What about all the other unsafe things they do? Fines and tickets for that also? I believe in personal responsibility, plain and simple. I don't tell you what to do, don't tell me what to do. That avoids all these sticky little issues.

2) I have no problem with government regulation or making laws. I do have an issue with government pretending like they are the white knight with everything. Government played a part in creating this mess (some will debate how much of a part, but I think we can agree that the government pushed for relaxing lending standards as a way to increase mortgage lending diversity). My point is the government does a lot of feel good things, but does not pay attention to the ripple effect these things have.

China had a one child policy to reduce their growth rate. Now they have an imbalance of boys to girls. unforeseen consequences.

3) I do not live in NYC. I am from a very urban area, grew up in a very rural area, went to school in a dying city and now live in a big city. I know full well about educational opportunities. If you live in NYC I would suggest looking at Baruch. State tuition and a great reputation.

4) I support your statement about the people and their hypocrisy. We hate regulation and then act like children when we have to fend for ourselves. I think there needs to be much more common sense with things. What I would like to mention is your TSA comment. The government set these rules and regulations. They act like our parents, but only offer the illusion of safety.

5) The Tea Party does have a platform, but I will admit, I think it needs more work. The "party" which is really a misnomer since it is more of a movement, is extremely new. What is important is people are extremely tired of seeing their hard earned money taken from them, only to be wasted. They are tired of government promising to solve a problem, but only multiplying them. Some people believe in liberty and freedom. It seems like every day the government is slowly chipping away at this.

No where does the tea party mention that they want to gut the NSA, FBI, CIA, etc. What they do want to do is reduce the size of the government and eliminate non critical roles. Anyone who has interaction with the government can plainly see these "workers" have no incentive to do anything but the minimum while looking forward to benefits and a retirement that non of us in the private sector could dream of enjoying.

 

I'm a conservative independent who votes GOP in most elections. But there's no way I'm gonna support Sarah Palin if she runs in 2012.

I see the other side of the argument. Politicians work for the people, and they should represent the "common" folks. I agree with this, but there's a clear line between being a down-to-earth politician who understands the people and someone who is downright ignorant of the important issues facing us and has shown no desire to learn the issues. Palin clearly belongs in the latter group. Her ignorance, quitting the governorship after 2 years, and being a celebrity figure, make her downright unpresidential. She would easily be the most unqualified person to become president, if she were to win. And her presidency would do enormous damage to this country.

For what it's worth, I think Obama was unqualifed as well. The liberal media gave the guy a free pass.

Damm, I miss Bill Clinton.

 

No way in hell she gets the nomination or enough votes to win. She belongs in the category of Rush Limbaugh. The Republicans need to start grooming a candidate real fast though because she is taking up way too much lime light.

 
Anthony .:
No way in hell she gets the nomination or enough votes to win. She belongs in the category of Rush Limbaugh. The Republicans need to start grooming a candidate real fast though because she is taking up way too much lime light.

I hope huckabee runs, so him and palin split the social conservative vote. The GOP establishment needs to get behind Mitt Romney ASAP and make sure Palin does not destroy the party by winning the nomination. IF she is the nominee, and the economy has improved by then, we'll witness the worst GOP defeat since Goldwater's loss to LBJ in 1964.

 

Mr. Future watch this.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."
 

We need Mitt Romney and then another up and comer for VP, someone like Rick Perry or the Governor of Indiana Mitch Daniels. Ideally I want Chris Christie for VP, but he needs a few more years to "incubate" and clean up NJ.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."
 

No way in hell Mitt gets the nod. I would love to vote for him, but it is going to be a cold day in hell that an ex finance guy gets the nomination. I can already see the negative attack ads in my head.

 
Anthony .:
No way in hell Mitt gets the nod. I would love to vote for him, but it is going to be a cold day in hell that an ex finance guy gets the nomination. I can already see the negative attack ads in my head.

He isn't directly connected to the crisis. He built up Bain from Nothing and had a profitable Olympics...He has a solid fiscal track record, he even has some liberal policy problems that moderates can like him for.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."
 
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Anthony .:
No way in hell Mitt gets the nod. I would love to vote for him, but it is going to be a cold day in hell that an ex finance guy gets the nomination. I can already see the negative attack ads in my head.

He isn't directly connected to the crisis. He built up Bain from Nothing and had a profitable Olympics...He has a solid fiscal track record, he even has some liberal policy problems that moderates can like him for.

I really hope the ignorant GOP primary voters can get over their irrational hatred of Mormonism and vote for a smart qualified man like Romney. Sadly, the GOP has become an anti-intellectual party, where pedigree and accomplishments are now negatives.

 

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