Should Trump be removed from office?
Yes, another one of these.
So should he be removed? And for what? Saying the election is rigged?
I think we all agree that Trump has acted irresponsibly in the past few weeks regarding the election results, but you're performing mental gymnastics to say he should be convicted of treason. I don't consider him directly responsible for what happened yesterday. These people acted in their own will.
Remember when Antifa occupied an entire block of Seattle for a month? Should politicians like Mayor Durkan who refused to remove them or even encouraged their behavior be forced to resign for treason? For inciting a rebellion? Allowing a takeover of the city? No, instead we call the politicians careless and we recognize the CHAZ punks for who they were: a bunch of idiots who like to cause problems. How about when a Bernie supporter shot at two Republican Senators? Is Bernie responsible for that? Before you shit on me, I know these aren't perfect comparisons. The incident yesterday took place as Congress was finalizing the election, an immensely important event for our democracy. What I am trying to establish though is that there is a difference between a person's irresponsible rhetoric and the actions that their supporters take into through own hands.
Some of you all are acting like General Trump commanded an army of his supporters into the Capitol like Napoleon.
Where am I wrong?
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He should not only be relieved of any and all irrational blame, but also praised for his valiant leadership and strong track record while braving through the four year long media, cultural, political onslaught of the left, not to mention their attempts at imposing their self-destructive, anti-Democratic, and if I may, Marxist, policies onto an administration that honestly was as successful as larger than life figures like Eisenhower (oh wait did he get canceled yet)
This is sarcasm, right?
no
Remove him for what, like 2 weeks?
Well, the dude will not defend the United States when we are physically attacked or cyber attacked...You tell me if he should be removed from office.
He should be put to the wall and shot
Take this thread to 4chan, Reddit, or the Cracker Barrel where it belongs.
He needs to be removed ASAP. Instead of sending the people who broke into the Capitol to jail they should send Trump.
Mr Trump explicitly called for his supporters to prevent Congress from certifying the results of the election, which is, by the law of the land, sedition. And they then did so by force. Now, anyone who still supports Mr Trump will obviously find a way to wriggle out of this, similar to the "reasons" given to excuse the various other explicit violations of US law Mr Trump has engaged in over the last four years, but that doesn't change the facts.
A mob boss is responsible for ordering a hit on someone, even if he doesn't pull the trigger. When Mr Trump asks his supporters to prevent Congress from executing the laws of the land and they then employ force to do exactly that, they are guilty of sedition.
When you find me the Mayor of Portland calling for BLM protestors to storm the Capitol Building and prevent Congress from doing it's job, we can have this discussion. Otherwise, please go back into the basement.
If the point is political leadership doing bad things that fundamentally undermine democratic governance, I give you exhibits A (Portland) & B (Seattle):
While Portland and Seattle’s political leadership have not called for a “insurrection” they nevertheless have created a leadership vacuum in which people think social media hyped political grievances are ok to be resolved through violence.
In 2020 Portland and Seattle’s local leadership shirked their democratic responsibilities and tried to publicly maintain the fiction that violence surrounding “mostly peaceful” protest is of little of consequence, even when those consequences have and continue to infringed on the functioning of the courts and individual civil rights.
In Portland for example, in 2020 Mayor Ted Wheeler let BLM and Antifa anarchists destroy an article III Court (Federal). Antifa engaged in months of “direct action” against the Mark O. Hatfield United States Courthouse in Portland. Antifa smashed the Court’s glass doors, covered its exterior with graffiti and repeatedly attempted to burn it down.
In addition, on May 29th 2020 both BLM and Antifa smashed their way into the Multnomah County Justice Center (MCJC). The building houses the Sheriff’s Office, a police station and jail. Anarchists ransacked the ground floor, hoping to break people out of jail. When that failed, they started fires, barricade doors forcing city and county staff to flee for their lives.
The Portland Police Bureau, which the Mayor heads, has been in charge of policing the protests. There has been ongoing criticism from police union leader Daryl Turner that Wheeler handcuffs the agency from stopping the violence, for example by limiting its use of teargas and loud warning signs.
Portland DA Mike Schmidt also has a policy to presumptively decline to prosecute those whose most serious accusation doesn’t involve deliberate property damage, theft or the use or threat of force against someone else. Charges that fall under that category include interfering with a peace officer, second-degree disorderly conduct and rioting, among others. As a result of this policy more than 90 percent of the 1,000 plus cases have been dropped I’ll leave you to look at Andy Ngo’s work on Twitter in documenting those arrested. Portland Antifa anarchists are still rioting and destroying people's property till this day.
In Seattle in the summer of 2020, hundreds of “protesters” have took over several blocks of Seattle and transformed it into the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, or “Chaz”, or Capitol Hill Occupied Protest (CHOP) Zone after Mayor and Former Federal Prosecutor Jenny Durkan ordered the abonnement/ evacuation of the local police precinct calling it “democracy.” Seattle city agencies went as far as to provide protesters with barricades, portable toilets, and helped to clear trash from the area.
Of course, it didn’t end well: Now former Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best had this to say at the time: "The CHOP has become lawless and brutal. Four shootings—two fatal (both Black)—robberies, assaults, sexual assaults, violence, and countless property crimes have occurred in this several block area.” This, plus the growing outrage of businesses and property owners—some of whom filed a class-action lawsuit against the city for tolerating/ contributing to the creation the CHOP/ CHAZ Zone.
Of course, you knew all of this right? Or did you forget?
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