Should you get a fake ID if you're underage?
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Getting kicked out of the bar because of your crappy fake ID will go a long way towards impressing your coworkers.
Showing up, doing your work, being enthusiastic and willing to help should be your priority.
Getting kicked out for having a fake will do a lot more harm than the good you will get from having a couple of beers with your coworkers 2 or 3 times over the entire summer...
so just don't go drinking?
I'd disagree. Last summer, a club turned away my fake when I was out with an MD. He got a kick out of sneaking in the back. People will understand if you get kicked out for having a fake. They won't understand if you don't drink.
That said, they'll only really respect you if you back in the cube by 9 with no signs of a hangover; they're not paying you to drink, after all.
Anyway, this has been asked several times within the past few weeks. Do a search.
Okay yikes polar opposite opinions here ... I mean, you can still "go out" and then order non-alcoholic drinks right? Or will clubs card at the door?
Don't get a fake ID, a friend of mine did the stupid mistake of getting one and getting caught with one. It's on his record and any time someone pulls up his name on FINRA, it comes up.
It was a real game stopper when he tried to get a full time job at a BB. He settled for a boutique.
Just my opinion, take it however you like.
Getting kicked out of the bar is no big deal. However, if HR somehow finds that out, you may be in some serious trouble.
use common sense. I only just turned 21 myself. And did have (and use) a fake for 2 years since. But I would NEVER use a fake ID when I'm out with coworkers much less a boss. I feel like there is usually a big difference between coworkers and school-yard chums. SYCs are only interested in a good time. Coworkers are interested in working and making money- which requires responsible behavior.
In their case: Being Responsible >>>> Being Fun
I would say get one, but be smart about it......if you're just going to a bar around the office after work to get some beers with some guys then I highly doubt you will ever get turned down.......if you are attempting to go to a club in NYC then don't even try...you will more than likely get turned down and that is embarrassing in front of all them.....so get it, but be smart about it.
A friend of mine was caught with a fake ID at a bar, the police got involved, and it was put on his record. He had an offer from a BB contingent upon a background check, which he accepted...but they got back to him a day or two later and said they saw the charge and withdrew their offer.
With a fake ID, you are taking a calculated risk, whether you are drinking with coworkers or college buddies. It is your call, but I personally think it is not worth the risk. Your reward: (assuming your ID is good) being able to drink in bars, restaurants, etc. Your risk: ability to ever work in finance at a high level. Drink with friends at house/frat/other parties and wait until you're 21.
tell them you're under age and you don't have a card, if they want to bring you along they probably won't take you anywhere they know you'll be carded
If you gonna do IBD, i dont think you'll have time to go out and drink anyways.. you would be craving for your 5 hrs sleep..lol
Maybe have lunch with other analysts; sounds more appropriate.
Coming from a fellow student about to intern this summer (and one who isn't shy about alcohol), I would lean on the safe side and say don't.
I would recommend just grabbing a meal with your fellow interns/co-workers on the rare laid-back night and ordering a drink there at the restaurant. I've never been carded in a NY restaurant while wearing professional clothing.
Who the hell gets fake ID's these days?
Find someone you are close to, who is 21+, and looks similar to you (same hair, eyes, relatively similar facial structure, and ~3in of height). Pay him to get a replacement, and buy a new student ID for him.
This is what everyone in my fraternity does and if you're not an idiot you will never have trouble.
Fake ID Facts
False identification is used for many types of fraudulent activities, including illegal purchase of alcohol and cigarettes, check fraud, bank fraud, social security fraud and immigration fraud. Advanced computer graphics technology and color copiers have made it easier to produce fake IDs and harder for law enforcers or retailers to detect them.
The following summaries explain the law regarding the use, possession and production of falsified identification documents and the penalties for such actions.
COV 18.2-204.1. Fraudulent use of birth certificates, driver's licenses, etc. -It is illegal to use another's identification as one's own. -It is illegal to possess or sell an ID for the purpose of establishing a false identification. -Persons who possess, use or distribute fake IDs are charged with a Class 1 misdemeanor. If the document is used to purchase a firearm, the charges increase to a Class 6 felony.
COV 18.2-204.2. Facsimile or manufacture, sale, etc., or possession of fictitious, simulated official license or identification. -It is illegal to possess, produce or distribute a falsified document that can be mistaken as an official government document. -Violators face Class 1 misdemeanor charges for the sale or production of such ID and Class 2 misdemeanor charges for possession of such ID.
COV 46.2-347. Fraudulent use of driver's license or Department of Motor Vehicles identification card to obtain alcoholic beverages. -Any underage person found using a falsified DMV driver's license or military or university identification card to purchase alcoholic beverages faces conviction of a Class 3 misdemeanor. -Convicted individuals may lose their driver's license for thirty days to one year.
COV 4.1-305. Purchasing or possessing alcoholic beverages unlawful in certain cases. -It is illegal for anyone under 21 to possess any alcoholic beverage. -No one under 21 may use an altered or fake ID such as a driver's license, birth certificate or student identification card to establish a false identification or false age to purchase an alcoholic beverage. -Violators of this section are guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor and, upon conviction, face a fine of at least $500 or fifty hours of community service, and can lose their driver's license for up to a year.
Source: http://www.abc.state.va.us/facts/fakeid.html *Note: these are the offences in Virginia, I am sure New York is very similar
Using a fake ID in the belief it will impress your directors shows very poor risk assessment skills.
I'd be more impressed if my interns showed control and self-discipline by not indulging/giving into peer pressure.
Using a fake ID (Originally Posted: 02/09/2009)
When working as a summer analyst (especially in New York/Boston) do your superiors and people working full time at banks care if you go out after work with co-workers and other analysts if you aren't 21 yet and use a fake? I can't imagine most people really caring, but this will apply to me this summer and I just wanted to know if I would catch any disapproving comments or have people get pissed off if I use it when I go out after work with them.
Alternate Topic- Anyone have a story of an SA getting in trouble at work for getting caught with a fake ID/turned down? What resulted from this.
I know that the social aspect is important towards working for an offer/networking with other SAs, so any info would be appreciated.
do not drink around people from your office @ company sponsored functions. Sure, people like myself could give a fuck less if you are under 21, but I can assure you that some folks do. HR will make it very clear on the first day that drinking at functions is a no no and in this mkt I wouldn't do anything that could go against you when FT hiring comes around. If you are taken out w/ a group or just a few guys that you are comfortable with then I would order a drink if asked. Be careful when trying to get into a club or popular bar with them because your failure to enter will most likely make news on the floor the next day (this isn't necessarily a bad thing among traders, but why risk it). Obviously, the closer you feel to certain people than the less careful I would be.
depends on your firm/size
i think what PnL may apply more to BB or a larger firm. at my SA MM firm in NYC (HLHZ size), I was under 21 and had a really good fake, but my whole group knew I was under 21. It didn't really matter when going out - but if your fake is shitty, don't go to places where you're guaranteed to get rejected, as it will be embarrassing.
re HR - probably not the best to drink around them, but our HR people bought us drinks first week and last week. and we all got wasted together in the hamptons....but def figure out the vibe before doing something stupid
Yes, I am referring to a large BB. Sure, if you found a group that likes you then who cares...I am just talking about the mixers that the banks throw and the occasional "hey kid lets grab a drink." Definitely go, but be smart and don't do anything stupid.
who the hell drinks WITH hr, i doubt coworkers would care.
you dont drink with HR dude, at corp events all of HR is there (research, S&T, banking, etc) and believe it or not, they know who is underage...of course your typical trader/salesman could give a shit about how old you are, but to have any strikes against you in this market over drinking in front of HR is retarded...im just saying be careful.
you dont drink with HR dude, at corp events all of HR is there (research, S&T, banking, etc) and believe it or not, they know who is underage...of course your typical trader/salesman could give a shit about how old you are, but to have any strikes against you in this market over drinking in front of HR is retarded...im just saying be careful.
lol we actually went out to lunch/dinner and drink with our hr people, granted though we knew them well given our small SA class size so it wasn't that weird and they were pretty cool
but yea - right now is not the time to play games over something stupid like drinking in front of HR, just play it safe
Hey I like to drink as much as the next person, actually prob more. Just keep in mind that there is nothing wrong with just ordering a Pesi or cranberry with no alcohol in it. If I were you I just wouldn't risk it.
Do not drink in front of HR. They do care; in fact, at my bank, they put dots on the underaged summer analysts' nametags so that they would be unable to get drinks at the networking events.
bah, I hate fakes. The only ones that pass in NY are those stupid Maine IDs, which I def didn't have when I was there :(
But some people may care about you drinking underage, depends on your group and how tight you are with them. And HR does care.
Honestly i hate how HR has control over our resumes when they really are a waste of life and add absolutely zero value!! sorry to get off topic. I HATE HR and I find it pathetic that men take HR positions.
Are you kidding, our HR encouraged us to have fun and took us on a "booze cruise." If it is not a company sponsored event they could care less, just don't get arrested..... HR's job is to make sure you have a blast so you come back after summer...
You can drink, but don't get buzzed. Moderation is key.
I don't understand why all the above posters say don't drink.
At all firm events I've been to (underage and legal, with my current employer, past employers, and company sponsored networking events) alcohol is usually provided, its social. Its supposed to give people an opportunity to socialize and to feel comfortable around each other.
Grab some drinks and don't get carried away.
The world has changed. And we must change with it.
It's not necessary, so I wouldn't recommend it... I'm sure you could live through a night with no alcohol. If you have a shitty fake and you get caught in their presence, then you're going to be the laughing stock at the office the next day (and someone from HR will overhear it). It's just not worth the risk IMO
Just to clarify for the posters who insist on drinking..I am not saying don't drink. I got so hammered with employees at and after corp events. All that I am saying is be careful if you are not 21 b/c believe it or not HR knows who you are. And in this mkt you don't want anything to be said about you when the end of summer discussions take place. Another rule of thumb, the bigger the bank, the more careful I would be. So if you are interning at a boutique or with a small group then you would be fine, but if you are one of 200 interns at GS, JPM, MS, UBS, CS, etc. then you don't want anything negative out there about you.
People are saying not to drink because in their experience, at company sponsored events, HR has cared whether underage people were drinking..
Honestly, why take the risk? Is alcohol really that necessary for you to feel comfortable?
Just grab a non-alcoholic beverage and be on the safe side if you're underage.
I'm surprised that this has to be discussed. It seems like common sense.
Imagine this...
you are out with a bunch of other interns, maybe even a few analysts and you're drinking... you leave that venue and head somewhere else, everyone's getting carded at the door when all of the sudden the bouncer tells you to fuck off because your ID is bogus.
Some pretend not to hear, some act surprised, everyone acts awkward... maybe a few offer to go someplace else where you can get in. Either way... its a tight job market, and I thinks its very plausible that the next day at work a schiesty intern competing for the same FT spot as you will have mentioned it to others you work with... in a joking manner. Best case scenario it'll just be an awkward moment at the door, worst case scenario, someone of importance will hear about it and will consider you of sub-moral standards. Not that its a big deal and not that everyone hasn't at some point or another used a fake ID.... but that wont change anything.
Man has a point...
I've yet to turn 21 and I've been working since June 08. If I slipped the bouncer a hundred everytime, rent and food would become very serious issues.
Thank god we don't have that problem in London.
Just my 2c.
it's worked for me. but then again, this wasn't in a big city, and the $100 was a $10.
and it was a strip club, not a night club, and the $10 was cover charge not a bribe?
Slipping the 100 only works if you have the right attitude and also if the bouncer isn't a dick. Keep in mind that once you give him the bill, he can still tell you to fuck off and what will you do then? Your one of the very few lucky people who have a chance at an internship, and you want to be one of the even fewer people to get a FT offer WHY would you even consider this? Be a good little monkey, drink your cranberry or pesi, and don't fuck up!
In my opinion, only dick bouncers are going to take a bribe. Ive rarely seen it done, and only had to do it once when I was 19 for some pos college bar. It is one of those popular culture things that I think just isnt effective. Avoiding lines or getting in underage: having friends that know the staff.
Also, outside of nice clubs, plenty of places only spot check ids and dont care anyways, unless you look 12.
Also, you're not getting into a respectable Manhattan club with a fake. Save yourself the embarrassment.
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