Slave Reparations

Just flipped through some channels and saw Cory Booker discussing reparations during a congressional hearing. Yes Cory your life was must've been so rough having 2 parents working at IBM making 6 figures each while some white kids sleep each night in their no air conditioned trailer in bumfuck West Virginia with their only career path is slinging coal or working at a fast food restaurant chain. Rant on the future of our politics/country and our system of choosing skin color over socioeconomic status /:

 
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Yankee Doodle:
Whole idea is that people who never owned slaves should "compensate" people who never were slaves.

I'm not particularly for the government handing a check to people with "sorry" written in the subject line either, but what you wrote is an overly simplified version of the issue.

Read this article by Ta-Nehisi Coates. You may come away disagreeing with the premise and the point of view, and I have my own disagreements with parts, but it will at least help you frame the issue with a bit more nuance.

The idea that this is an issue of 150 years ago and no one to day is impacted by is disingenuous.

Ta-Nehisi Coates:
Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy.

And whether you draw your moral inspiration from the bible...

Deuteronomy:
And if thy brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.

...Or your ideas on governance from great thinkers whose concepts were a bedrock of this country...

John Locke:
Besides the crime which consists in violating the law, and varying from the right rule of reason, whereby a man so far becomes degenerate, and declares himself to quit the principles of human nature, and to be a noxious creature, there is commonly injury done to some person or other, and some other man receives damage by his transgression: in which case he who hath received any damage, has, besides the right of punishment common to him with other men, a particular right to seek reparation.

...there are arguments to be made that a country's moral horizon does not end once merely a generation of people die and that the injustices of the past still haunt the present.

Edit: Gotta love WSO. Can't even acknowledge that there is a different point of view, even if you personally don't agree with it. Bring on the monkey shits, kids.

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CRE:
Yankee Doodle:
Whole idea is that people who never owned slaves should "compensate" people who never were slaves.

I'm not particularly for the government handing a check to people with "sorry" written in the subject line either, but what you wrote is an overly simplified version of the issue.

No, it's exactly that simple, and stupid. Coates's case is trash.

CRE:
Read this article by Ta-Nehisi Coates. You may come away disagreeing with the premise and the point of view, and I have my own disagreements with parts, but it will at least help you frame the issue with a bit more nuance.
Ta-Nehisi Coates:
[Read this article by Ta-Nehisi Coates.]The idea that this is an issue of 150 years ago and no one to day is impacted by is disingenuous.

No, suggesting that people alive today are owed something because of is it entirely disingenuous. Do I have the right to call up reparations from the descendants of the Catholic monarchs of England and France for burning my ancestors at the stake? Because surely if they hadn't done that, my family wouldn't have fled to America, and therefore my life would've been very different. I should care about this because we're still impacted by the past, right?

Ta-Nehisi Coates:
Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy.

So now it's not just slavery anymore. Christ, when will it stop?

CRE:
And whether you draw your moral inspiration from the bible...
Deuteronomy:
And if thy brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.
[/quote] Is this from the same Bible that has several endorsements of slavery? Is Coates really that intellectually lazy?
CRE:
[Read this article by Ta-Nehisi Coates.]...Or your ideas on governance from great thinkers whose concepts were a bedrock of this country...
John Locke:
Besides the crime which consists in violating the law, and varying from the right rule of reason, whereby a man so far becomes degenerate, and declares himself to quit the principles of human nature, and to be a noxious creature, there is commonly injury done to some person or other, and some other man receives damage by his transgression: in which case he who hath received any damage, has, besides the right of punishment common to him with other men, a particular right to seek reparation.

As much as I respect John Locke and the Bible, these are two really shitty appeals to authority. Not to mention Locke himself was cool with slavery.

CRE:
...there are arguments to be made that a country's moral horizon does not end once merely a generation of people die and that the injustices of the past still haunt the present.

No there aren't. It wasn't "merely" a generation, it's been about four generations. Coates needs to prove that these injustices still exist and that modern day discrepancies between white and black Americans are still the result of slavery (hint: they aren't)

CRE:
Edit: Gotta love WSO. Can't even acknowledge that there is a different point of view, even if you personally don't agree with it. Bring on the monkey shits, kids.

People saying that this view is particularly awful (which it is) is not the same as not acknowledging it. The idea of reparations is so mindbogglingly stupid that people are right to toss MS.

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Tandem21:
Yeah my Mexican ass definitely should have to pay for something my family never took part of, and they themselves never experienced.

The argument of course is that as an American, you're part of the American community, and if American society fucked over some of the members of that community, the American community as a whole should fix it, however that "fix" may be.

I'm not saying I fully agree with it, but it's not about your "Mexican ass" or any specific individual.

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differentialequations12:
My family member died on the union side of the civil war to free the slaves. I'm still waiting for the reparations for his death in the war.

Your family member died to fight traitors and keep America a united country.

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I agree 100% and I’m saying that as descendent of a man who led his state out of the union because Lincoln was going to take his slaves.

Thank God Lincoln won and the Union survived.

 

Never going to happen and I don't understand why they even push it. The political calculus makes zero sense either. Push away white, latino, asian, and other minority voters in hopes of getting more black voters. Whats even worse is that they're pushing a policy that they will fail in achieving and will probably create more resentment among African Americans towards the Democratic party.

Do Democrats even hire political strategists anymore? If 2016 and 2018 proved anything, its that Democrats will need the white vote for a long time if they want to win congress and the white house.

 
Guywithtoaster:
Never going to happen and I don't understand why they even push it. The political calculus makes zero sense either. Push away white, latino, asian, and other minority voters in hopes of getting more black voters. Whats even worse is that they're pushing a policy that they will fail in achieving and will probably create more resentment among African Americans towards the Democratic party.

I think you're overreacting. I'm white and I don't feel "pushed away" because black people are talking about reparations, nor do I think there's any chance of African Americans leaving the Democratic party if nothing happens.

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You're also lumping yourself in with the remainder of the white constituency who are likely much, much more reactionary. I also don't feel pushed away, but unlike a non-negligible portion of this country I'm a rational and educated person. I don't think his point is without warrant, I think less reasonable moderate-right white voters will feel disenfranchised. I'm thinking of not only my parents and their friends, but even some of my friends and peers.

 

I have no issues with African American's talking about reparations, but they're not really the one's pushing it. It's mostly white democratic presidential nominees pushing it in order to gain votes. Reparations can be doled out in many different ways, but how its being presented to the public is "we're going to take from whites and give it to blacks". The thing is that these candidates haven't really described what these reparations programs would look like which gives proponents and the opposition the ability to frame it any way they want. Now if the candidates said we're going to invest in education and infrastructure in the black community, I believe the majority of Americans would support that, but candidates have been mum on details which does more damage than good.

As a white male living in one of the most left-leaning states in the country (Hawaii), when Warren was the first candidate to mention reparations it was not well received by the public and local politicians. It was actually big news out here because the State of Hawaii has already attempted reparations for Native Hawaiians in multiple forms and almost all have ended up in failures and actually created a lot of racial resentment towards Hawaiians. So to say I'm "overreacting" is incorrect because I've seen first hand the failure of these programs. All reparations do is divide the populous and it creates nasty political problems that takes generations to solve.

One thing to also consider is know that quite a few reparations programs in Hawaii have been deemed unconstitutional by the US supreme court and would set precedence for future disputes across the country. Ironically the biggest legal roadblock to most reparations programs is the Civil Rights Act whose entire purpose is to prevent the government from favoring certain groups over others.

Slavery was terrible, but there is nothing we can do to change the past. How is it wise political strategy to re-open the sins of the past. Should the Japanese get all their land that was stolen from them when they were placed in internment camps during WWII. What about the Native Americans? They still don't believe that the tribal lands they recieved made up for the past (and they're right but its never going to happen). Generations of Mexicans have been treated like 2nd class citizens in the US, should they recieve compensation? My family was brought over to the US as an indentured servants (against their will) should I recieve compensation? The point I'm trying to make is every racial group in the US has been shafted one way or another.

The next problem that comes up is who should pay for it. Should Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, and other groups have to pay for the sins of White Southerners? Considering the Democratic Party in the 1800's was the party representing slaveholders, should Democrats have to pay?

In the end, reparations is a lose-lose policy that makes everyone a victim and a perpetrator. Doesn't solve any of the current problems we face today and creates unnecessary division among people over past crimes that nobody alive is guilty of committing.

 

Almost every society has taken part in some kind of historical injustice. If we start issuing reparations for slavery, where does it end? The Ottoman Empire and the Barbary Corsairs of North Africa regularly enslaved white Europeans - so does the EU go to Tunisia and Turkey asking for reparations?

 
Leon Dragonov:
Almost every society has taken part in some kind of historical injustice. If we start issuing reparations for slavery, where does it end? The Ottoman Empire and the Barbary Corsairs of North Africa regularly enslaved white Europeans - so does the EU go to Tunisia and Turkey asking for reparations?

That is a poor, and frankly dishonest, analogy. Different countries, countries that don't exist anymore, etc. are not the same as people in the same exact country that it happened to.

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There is plenty of very significant and concrete historical continuity between the Ottoman Empire and modern Turkey, and even if you think that they are different countries there's no denying that the citizens of the latter are mostly directly descended from inhabitants of the former - slaveowners and slaves included. Why does it matter if the EU didn't exist at the time? In many senses it is a direct continuation of the European states that existed at the time given that its membership is composed of nation-states and populations who are directly descended from them. If not the EU, then isn't it the responsibility of individual European countries like Spain and France to seek reparations for their citizens who were harmed by slavery? Like you said in an above post, our moral obligations don't end with the death of a generation, so the fact that this happened in the past shouldn't matter in your view. Why is your position different with respect to changes of government or national boundaries?

Let's put it another way: practically every major civilisation throughout history has experienced slavery in some form, and there are without doubt many millions of people directly descended from former slaves living in these countries today. It's also highly probable that these descendants of slavery have continued to suffer from various social injustices related to their lower social position resulting from their relationship with former slaves - if not today then in the past. If the morally right thing is to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves then, not only the US, but practically all countries should do so. The administrative process of identifying the descendants of slavery, calculating the appropriate amount of reparations accorded to them, raising the money to fund this huge payout etc. etc. on a GLOBAL BASIS would probably take a hundred years. And let's not forget that slavery is not the only historical injustice for which people have demanded reparations. If we were to trace out the descendants of every person who has been unjustly wronged and compensate them with reparations, we would be stuck until the end of time trying to complete the process.

My overall point being that the idea behind reparations is, at best, impractical.

 

I tend to agree with the people who want reparations in the form of investment in black-majority schools, black entrepreneurship, black homeownership, etc. The government spends money on far more frivolous things than helping the historically disadvantaged.

I do not think giving a check to black people as a "sorry for slavery" makes any sense, but I do think it is disingenuous to pretend like the effects of slavery and institutionalized prejudice against blacks ended during the civil war.

Black people in America are still fighting an uphill battle today, so whether you call targeted investments to help them "reparations" or trying to pull up those who were pushed down, I think it's a fair idea.

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I had to pick a post to jump in on, looks like this one works.

At face this will be taken as racist....investment in black schools for the most part has been a waste of money. Not the idea of spending money on poor neighborhoods in general, but the outcome. If there was any proven metric where grades went up by X dollar amount invested, my god I would vote for that in a heart beat. Black entrepeneurship, you get the ACORN fiasco, you want more black people to own homes?..well that is exactly what subprime lending was. The American Dream Downpayment Act(something close to this), was heralded as positive by both WBush and the NAACP, it ended up being disastrous.

Now getting back to reparations, as most things the devil is in the details. How do you cut checks, based on a person's skin color? How do you prove that one person is deserving of reparations? Is it all black people, then why are we lumping in Senegalese? What about if you are mixed race, then do you get 3/5ths(see where I am going) of the dollar amount.

Current progressive economic and political agenda has done tremendous harm to poor black people. The worst thing you can have in life is a victim mentality. Face it, we all had it growing up, and one matures you come to the realization that "yeah things may not always be fair, but the best I can do is take ownership on my life". That last part is the adult mindset that we deprive so many poor people with. My brother-in-law has this mentality, and despite him being 30+ he can't seem to get over the fact that something is owed to him and it is eating him alive and destroyed his life.

 

This is so spot on and should be the top post here. It's an unfortunate fact that billions upon billions have continually been pissed away for decades now on trying to "close the achievement gap," and all it has gotten us is woke, blame white people culture and a demand for even more gibs.

The smartest thing the known black activist grifters ('Ol Jessie and Al to name a couple) have ever done is relentlessly pray on dumb, altruistic white people who have no idea when to say enough is enough. I give them credit for that much at least.

 
CRE:
I tend to agree with the people who want reparations in the form of investment in black-majority schools, black entrepreneurship, black homeownership, etc. The government spends money on far more frivolous things than helping the historically disadvantaged.

I do not think giving a check to black people as a "sorry for slavery" makes any sense, but I do think it is disingenuous to pretend like the effects of slavery and institutionalized prejudice against blacks ended during the civil war.

Black people in America are still fighting an uphill battle today, so whether you call targeted investments to help them "reparations" or trying to pull up those who were pushed down, I think it's a fair idea.

This is where I am on the issue too. Let's focus on leveling the oppression from today onward - (release prisoners locked up for non-violent marijuana crimes, end over-policing, end gerrymandering, overturn Florida's insane new voter suppression law, boost voting booths in low-income neighborhoods, make election day a federal holiday so low-income hourly workers can more easily participate.)

Also, today's GOP has perfected the "always the victim" mentality that they claimed was a liberal phenomenon for years.

"I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people."
 
Alt-Ctr-Left:
Also, today's GOP has perfected the "always the victim" mentality that they claimed was a liberal phenomenon for years.

Not going to comment further here as I've made a commitment to avoiding political/racial topics on this site but this sentence is gold.

Array
 

Ta Nahesi's article on the topic uses some anecdotal examples that I'd argue could be expanded beyond their specific uses, as a case for all descendants of slavery.

Essentially, when you have the expansion at the frontier of America, time after time, black people had their growth potential eroded, until we're in modern day country where everyone is suffering from post-modern decay, relying on bite sized useless forms of entertainment, over-stimulation from over exposure, and lacking in good foundational moral values as time has deviated from culture that was set at the start of society.

Now people who are immigrants bringing their culture over, or whites that benefitted from America's expansion, are far ahead in terms of wealth and inheritance--not just monetary, but also culturally and in education.

Coates uses stories of terrorism that took away what blacks had. But there are additional stories of blacks simply being left out, that had the similar intention of taking away future gains of blacks. Like the suburban expansion of the 50's, the "MAGA" period, that subsidized housing for white returning from the war, and similar program.

The math on who is eligible is simple. All Americans of African descent, minus those who are within several generations of immigration from the African continent, plus or minus.

 

thank you CRE it's nice to see another southerner admitting what too many are afraid to admit, the confederacy were traitors and the civil war was about slavery.

let's admit slavery has had effects that probably contributed to black americans disproportionately poorer and more incarcerated than the broader population

let's admit that it is possible to get out of that with some effort

let's not oversimplify the problem by saying "I didn't do it so it's not my problem" or overcomplicate it by making EVERYTHING about race

once we can agree on the above, we can talk about solutions. I'm a big believer in leading by example rather than bitching and moaning and hoping the govt will solve your problems. mentor a kid from a disadvantaged background, let that poor kid cut your grass or sell you lemonade even if he does a shitty job and you don't drink sugary drinks. volunteer at your local YMCA or big brother/big sister club.

a society with less crime, cleaner streets, less teenage pregnancy, less drug use, etc., is a desirable outcome for EVERY american, regardless of race and status, so don't think for one minute that these issues don't affect you. that said, government contributed to this problem, government HANDOUTS are not the solution. changes in policy and community involvement are the solution.

/rant

 

I agree with you completely except for the "government handouts are not the solution" part. I agree that they should not be the only solution, and fully support your private sector push to help the disadvantaged, but the government can be part of the solution.

Now, there's a point to be made there that in order to be part of the solution, government would have to be effective and focused, but...

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thebrofessor:
government HANDOUTS are not the solution. changes in policy and community involvement are the solution.

To me, gov handouts when a fixed, one-time deal, especially for a notoriously poor class, is the exact solution. It ends the grievance as a formal apology (so long as it's a legitimate and meaningful attempt). I heard someone say in those hearings they didn't like the reparations idea because, "it places a value on the suffering". Well, look, fuck it, there's a value to everything. Take the $1.4T - $4.7T and there are no more list of things that shoulda woulda coulda. Apology along with real physical show of remorse for past discretions in the form of monetary value, is what's necessary.

Bernie and others would love to continue to use the suffering of blacks to expand his working class motto. That's a form of victim mentality well beyond this. This is just taking what's rightly the just do.

 

unless someone twists my words, this will be the last thing I'll say on the subject. I only have experience to guide me, so if the stats prove me wrong, so be it. let me tell you why a monetary handout won't work and why I believe in mentoring, coaching, bringing people up the social status ladder - because the black kids I've mentored/coached/trained don't want a handout. sure, they'd take the money if offered (who the fuck wouldn't?!) but all they want is a fighting chance.

they want the same access to tutors as the spoiled kid on the lax field who looks at them funny when he has to walk home after football practice, they want strong role models because their mom (forget a father) doesn't have an education and struggles just to get by, they want to understand how the business world works and what it means to budget, they want to be shown what success looks like and how to get there because they may not have it in their community and all of their contemporaries are addicted to a consumerist culture.

these are not lazy kids (not the ones I've seen), they are uninformed kids and sometimes misguided by the culture the "hood" creates. handouts don't fix culture. and while it's not guaranteed, I believe leadership, mentorship, and hand to hand combat (not literal, metaphorical) should. instead of writing a check to millions of poor black people at once and then say "this is your one chance, don't waste the money" let's fix the root of the problem, rather than putting a bandaid on it. unfortunately, this country wants simple solutions that you can attach a dollar value to and then argue about what it's called, but this is a much more nuanced problem, and it calls for nuanced solutions.

so WSO, if you're for reparations, get the fuck off your computer and volunteer. if you're against them, still volunteer, you'll be surprised how much difference it can make in a child's life. and think about it like this: one kid successfully mentored could be one less incarcerated black man down the road. one kid mentored could tell his friends about studying hard, and now thats 3 less incarcerated. one kid mentored might think twice before not putting a condom on, and that's one less teenage pregnancy. this shit matters, and I don't see a check making that kind of impact.

/soapbox

 

Yeah lit even though my fuckin grandparents came over from Italy like 80 years after slavery, I should totally have to pay for it. Hold me back dawg.

I am happy to throw some extra bones so long as it goes to stuff promoting education or community investment in lower income african american neighborhoods, but phrasing it as reparations isn't my favorite.

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Nightman Cometh:
Yeah lit even though my fuckin grandparents came over from Italy like 80 years after slavery, I should totally have to pay for it. Hold me back dawg.

Even if you never have kids, your taxes would go towards public education

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What like in general or education on the matter of slavery? Regardless, I'm fine with that. However, I guess I just don't like the notion of needing to compensate others for stuff I literally had nothing to do with. Like add a tax for it, fine, but don't jam it down my throat that this is like my way of paying people back for awful shit people did 150+ years ago and treat it like a fuckin guilt tri. Idk, I just think its stupid and a great way to drive non-black moderates away from the party that decides to move forward with them. Yes I think america owe's african americans quite a lot but calling it reparations is a cop-out suck up way of addressing that fact. Like just fucking say we need to invest more in our inner cities and black communities and provide them with things like better education and more legitimate healthcare. Clearly something that both republicans in congress and far-left liberals would rather throw up than say out loud.

Dayman?
 

It's always a difficult topic and one that has well formed views on both sides of the spectrum. Principally, I don't agree with having to make someone who wasn't complicit (or alive) during that era have to pay for the misdeeds of another. Slavery in the world isn't unique to the U.S (it's been a hallmark of many civilizations and cohorts through history), but certainly still egregious all the same. Over a 250 year period or so, there is a compound loss that comes with generations being in servitude without basic human rights, to then not having the ability to build generational wealth or education (i.e., the redlining efforts in the housing industry in the late 20th century when home ownership was highly encouraged through policy). The reparations required to make up the delta would be unreasonably prohibitive, which is why I feel that cutting a check feels more like a nominal gesture.

I think that some form of investment (whether financial or from an infrastructure standpoint) would be exceedingly helpful to prop up disenfranchised folks. The difficulty is figuring out a way to do this without causing undue harm to folks who didn't contribute to the issue. I strongly believe that a good family foundation and a strong education would prop up an entire line of folks within 1 or 2 generations. I've seen it happen with many a folks, some of which came to this country without a pence.

There's a closer meaning to my user name. Try reading it quickly. Perhaps you will then understand ;P
 

@CRE Two questions...

One, what exactly do you consider affirmative action (both explicit and implicit), section 8 housing, CHIP, subprime mortgages, diversity scholarships, public sector workforce diversity quotas, city funded minority small business loans, head start programs, minority neighborhood investment subsidies, etc.? How much money do you think this country, inclusive of both the public and private sectors, has put into these kinds of initiatives over the last 50 years aimed mostly at 13% of the population?

Two, what is your response if 40 years from now the "achievement gap" hasn't budged an inch even after "reparations" are enacted in whatever form you best see fit? IMO this is the outcome with 95% probability.

 
Pmc2ghy:
@CRE Two questions...

One, what exactly do you consider affirmative action (both explicit and implicit), section 8 housing, CHIP, subprime mortgages, diversity scholarships, public sector workforce diversity quotas, city funded minority small business loans, head start programs, minority neighborhood investment subsidies, etc.? How much money do you think this country, inclusive of both the public and private sectors, has put into these kinds of initiatives over the last 50 years aimed mostly at 13% of the population?

Some of those are targeted at black people. Some aren't.

Pmc2ghy:
Two, what is your response if 40 years from now the "achievement gap" hasn't budged an inch even after "reparations" are enacted in whatever form you best see fit? IMO this is the outcome with 95% probability.

That's more than a bit pessimistic of an outlook on an entire race of people. Your 95% "opinion" is nonsense.

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Okay, it's nonsense, but it's just as valid as your idea that reparations in some form will finally make a difference.

Nothing will change in the black community until the culture gets a complete overhaul and the race grifters are thrown out. A demographic with 70-75% single motherhood rate, even after having America's highest abortion rate, is doomed to repeated failure no matter the intervention.

 

Oh I find it thoroughly thought through.

For instance: one African American looks dark enough for reparations, but his DNA tests and ancestry show he's half white and some of his ancestors were slave owners. What % of reparations does he get? Another dude looks white but he's also 25% black and thus maybe he gets 25% reparations? Another dude looks 100% black... because he's a recent immigrant from Ghana. Does he get 100% reparations despite not being related to slaves?

Tl;dr you'll get 330 million people go through DNA & me and then present their fully accurate family tree for the past 200 years so that you can determine how much of the check he/she gets.... so that a bunch of White libs get a few more votes at the ballot and can brag about how ''just'' and morally superior they are. GO FOR IT.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.
 
neink:
Oh I find it thoroughly thought through.

For instance: one African American looks dark enough for reparations, but his DNA tests and ancestry show he's half white and some of his ancestors were slave owners. What % of reparations does he get? Another dude looks white but he's also 25% black and thus maybe he gets 25% reparations? Another dude looks 100% black... because he's a recent immigrant from Ghana. Does he get 100% reparations despite not being related to slaves?

Tl;dr you'll get 330 million people go through DNA & me and then present their fully accurate family tree for the past 200 years so that you can determine how much of the check he/she gets.... so that a bunch of White libs get a few more votes at the ballot and can brag about how ''just'' and morally superior they are. GO FOR IT.

It's not workable, which is why the Dems--in the unlikely event they successfully push reparations--will structure it as "reinvestment" into underserved black communities as recompense for the sins of the USA as a corporate going concern. And once that money inevitably disappears into a bureaucratic black hole the Dems will get busy again making up new reasons to hurt race relations for political gain. The Dems' political strategy with non-whites is fully immoral--condemn racial minorities to mediocrity at best by making them believe that they can't succeed in the freest, wealthiest, most pluralistic society in human history because of white men (the devil) except for the white men who find moral absolution by registering as Democrats.

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