Typically, they wouldn't take, say, juniors graduating early for SA, but for FT. On the other hand, this is a rather uncommon case. Talk to your career center and talk to people you know in the business.
In short, it's possible.
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if you can pull it off, why not try? then at the end of the summer if you get an offer just tell them you are reconsidering graduating early and ask for an offer to come back an intern (maybe in a better group or something)
then get the best SA you can...I have heard of some people doing sophomore SA stints in top boutiques etc. (and not thru the URM programs...)
yeah thats exactly what im doing, i want to get a boutique or lower-bb job, as a pre-internship to my real goal of gs tmt in junior year. I've been trying everything I can, I'm going to do anything I can to land it this summer, it will give me a vast amount of leverage over my peers who are working at bookkeeping dumps or their dad's "consulting firms".
yeah thats exactly what im doing, i want to get a boutique or lower-bb job, as a pre-internship to my real goal of gs tmt in junior year. I've been trying everything I can, I'm going to do anything I can to land it this summer, it will give me a vast amount of leverage over my peers who are working at bookkeeping dumps or their dad's "consulting firms".
You must be a blast to hang out with...
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Ha, on this forum you just threw a match onto a powder keg. It was obvious that Happypants was joking and I was going to take your post with a grain of salt as someone who is just very driven, but now I agree .....you should take out that stick that is up your ass.
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Taking advantage of loopholes in the system and/or being creative on getting your way in is an asset my friend. You can definitely pull it off. I have a friend who did something similar, although saying he had one more year of school to do to get an SA job at a BB while he was graduating....
and then after the SA stunt, he got an offer right away from another BB and started working just after his SA internship was done....so yeah do it!!
You still gotta relax a little bit. Anyway, I had a friend who graduated in three years with a 4.0 double major Finance and Accounting from a top 10 undergrad B-school and he interned at a small investment bank in the local city. This might not mean much for you, but I'd recommend that you just try to get a masters in something in your fourth year. He's getting his MSF in his final year so that he'll still be able to enjoy "senior year" of college.
I think banks would appreciate someone with a more wholesome undergrad experience. I.e, you have good grades, EC's, you've done some good thing in the summer. There is nothing to rush to man, you're probably better looked upon when you travel, volunteer at hospitals, and live the life a 19/20 year old should live. If an internship is basically given to you, well wth take it. I was fortunate that mine was in the ME so I have alot to talk about culture and norms wise.
Here's what I'll tell you. Is it possible? Yes. Will it really make a difference for SA recruiting? You'll land interviews, but the offers are another story. The problem with this strategy is that essentially you are lying to the firm you join. Bankers are not stupid, they know what is going on. So eventually, when you do interview, the first and second year analysts who do the first rounds are going to be like, "Hm, so how did you get that sophomore IBD interview". And when you start spewing crap about how you were anticipating graduating early or w.e BS, they are going to ding you for being the tool that you obviously are.
Plus, you will burn the bridge at the BB that you do intern with because they'll give you an offer, and then you'll make up some reason to not take the offer, and then they find out you're only a junior. Ding.
in regards to what ibhopeful said
like i said, i think if you got an offer and told them hey i think i dont want to graduate early or better yet say you want to do an MSF depending on what school you go to etc and ask for an SA offer you'll get it.
When you interview with other firms tell them you got an offer to return...
I have a friend who had a sophomore SA he was given an offer to return as a junior SA (i am not sure if he was honest about being a sophomore though)
if you go to a target i really don't think this would be a big problem. if i were a first year analyst i wouldnt ding you for doing this...but i am not an analyst. I think there are some that would, but I dont think those are the ones as GS tmt anyway.
Besides if you can land a soph SA why not shoot past GStmt for blackstone PE SA or GS PIA/SSG SA?
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Typically, they wouldn't take, say, juniors graduating early for SA, but for FT. On the other hand, this is a rather uncommon case. Talk to your career center and talk to people you know in the business.
In short, it's possible.
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if you can pull it off, why not try? then at the end of the summer if you get an offer just tell them you are reconsidering graduating early and ask for an offer to come back an intern (maybe in a better group or something)
then get the best SA you can...I have heard of some people doing sophomore SA stints in top boutiques etc. (and not thru the URM programs...)
yeah thats exactly what im doing, i want to get a boutique or lower-bb job, as a pre-internship to my real goal of gs tmt in junior year. I've been trying everything I can, I'm going to do anything I can to land it this summer, it will give me a vast amount of leverage over my peers who are working at bookkeeping dumps or their dad's "consulting firms".
You must be a blast to hang out with...
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Haha happypants, you beat me to it...
You can hang me? What....
"Let me know what you guys think, please avoid any useless/negative comments, as I do not entertain these in the slightest"
leave.
Ha, on this forum you just threw a match onto a powder keg. It was obvious that Happypants was joking and I was going to take your post with a grain of salt as someone who is just very driven, but now I agree .....you should take out that stick that is up your ass.
Whatever dude....good luck
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Taking advantage of loopholes in the system and/or being creative on getting your way in is an asset my friend. You can definitely pull it off. I have a friend who did something similar, although saying he had one more year of school to do to get an SA job at a BB while he was graduating....
and then after the SA stunt, he got an offer right away from another BB and started working just after his SA internship was done....so yeah do it!!
You still gotta relax a little bit. Anyway, I had a friend who graduated in three years with a 4.0 double major Finance and Accounting from a top 10 undergrad B-school and he interned at a small investment bank in the local city. This might not mean much for you, but I'd recommend that you just try to get a masters in something in your fourth year. He's getting his MSF in his final year so that he'll still be able to enjoy "senior year" of college.
I think banks would appreciate someone with a more wholesome undergrad experience. I.e, you have good grades, EC's, you've done some good thing in the summer. There is nothing to rush to man, you're probably better looked upon when you travel, volunteer at hospitals, and live the life a 19/20 year old should live. If an internship is basically given to you, well wth take it. I was fortunate that mine was in the ME so I have alot to talk about culture and norms wise.
Telus, I know people who have done this.
Here's what I'll tell you. Is it possible? Yes. Will it really make a difference for SA recruiting? You'll land interviews, but the offers are another story. The problem with this strategy is that essentially you are lying to the firm you join. Bankers are not stupid, they know what is going on. So eventually, when you do interview, the first and second year analysts who do the first rounds are going to be like, "Hm, so how did you get that sophomore IBD interview". And when you start spewing crap about how you were anticipating graduating early or w.e BS, they are going to ding you for being the tool that you obviously are.
Plus, you will burn the bridge at the BB that you do intern with because they'll give you an offer, and then you'll make up some reason to not take the offer, and then they find out you're only a junior. Ding.
^^^^^^^^^ there are some sophomores who do get summer analyst positions brah........
^^^^^^^^^ there are some sophomores who do get summer analyst positions brah........
in regards to what ibhopeful said like i said, i think if you got an offer and told them hey i think i dont want to graduate early or better yet say you want to do an MSF depending on what school you go to etc and ask for an SA offer you'll get it.
When you interview with other firms tell them you got an offer to return...
I have a friend who had a sophomore SA he was given an offer to return as a junior SA (i am not sure if he was honest about being a sophomore though)
if you go to a target i really don't think this would be a big problem. if i were a first year analyst i wouldnt ding you for doing this...but i am not an analyst. I think there are some that would, but I dont think those are the ones as GS tmt anyway.
Besides if you can land a soph SA why not shoot past GS tmt for blackstone PE SA or GS PIA/SSG SA?
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