Leggo is right, the tech position obviously isn't ideal but it's the best offer you've got. Use that position as a way to network within the bank--speak to as many people as possible in the IB and express your interest in the corporate finance program. If you make a good impression you can position yourself well for next recruiting season.

You'll have to do this tactfully of course (do a search for going from back office to front office positions there is a plethora of information on this site from people who have made the jump).

 

Thanks for the opinions guys!

My only concern with #2 is that the name, albeit well-known in the circle of people who are in the industry, is obviously not as well known as the bulge bracket.

Is this concern unfounded?

 

Not only do you merely have a 3.9, but a 3.9 "+" GPA at a "top 10 target school!" Wow, I cant imagine how you would ever break into ibanking at all!

Honestly, dude, cut the shit and take the VC internship; you dont do shit at PWM.

 

Not only do you merely have a 3.9, but a 3.9 "+" GPA at a "top 10 target school!" Wow, I cant imagine how you would ever break into ibanking at all!

Honestly, dude, cut the shit and take the VC internship; you dont do shit at PWM.

 

Not only do you merely have a 3.9, but a 3.9 "+" GPA at a "top 10 target school!" Wow, I cant imagine how you would ever break into ibanking at all!

Honestly, dude, cut the shit and take the VC internship; you dont do shit at PWM.

 

Not only do you merely have a 3.9, but a 3.9 "+" GPA at a "top 10 target school!" Wow, I cant imagine how you would ever break into ibanking at all!

Honestly, dude, cut the shit and take the VC internship; you dont do shit at PWM.

 

Not only do you merely have a 3.9, but a 3.9 "+" GPA at a "top 10 target school!" Wow, I cant imagine how you would ever break into ibanking at all!

Honestly, dude, cut the shit and take the VC internship; you dont do shit at PWM.

 

Not only do you merely have a 3.9, but a 3.9 "+" GPA at a "top 10 target school!" Wow, I cant imagine how you would ever break into ibanking at all!

Honestly, dude, cut the shit and take the VC internship; you dont do shit at PWM.

 

Thanks guys for all the opinions! Will be taking the VC internship!

and to CA, I really didn't mean to sound pretentious, but merely giving a background of where I'm coming from. However I do apologize if I came off that way.

 

Most people here would say take this or take that. Tbh, it doesn't really matter. All of those look good. What matters is you are able to network and have coffee with people over the summer. I know people who just networked over sophomore summer (as they didn't land anything) and ended up with great gigs for their junior year, and I also know people who had GS/JPM/MS on their resume after their sophomore year, which didn't do shit for them for their junior year.

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ER is going to be a better play.

Gives you a great idea on how to think about value drivers, thinking critically about assumptions, news, market forces, and is great for modeling experience.

Probably a lot closer to IB than what you'd do than option 2. Would likely look a lot better too.

You really get in depth about what drives revenues, costs, and industry factors that

 

Der Bankier was nice enough to provide the link, though it doesn't seem to work on my browser. I'm sure Queens' career center provides access to the vault guides, you should def. contact someone there and see what resources you can avail of. Vault guides are a very good place to start if you're completely clueless.

Word of caution though, if you're interviewing at BMO/RBC/Scotia/CIBC or any of the Canadian IB's, be sure to know your technicals. Canadian schools are known for their business programs and finance junkies are a dime a dozen. Since positions are scant the only way IB's here can choose between 5 brilliant candidates is by testing their technicals. There's just too much talent. Really don't mean to scare you, sorry if i am, but im trying to open your eyes to the realities of Canadian IB competition - its intense. That said, they should take it much easier on you since you're a sophomore, but do make an effort to go in prepared. Remember also to hedge your risks and spread your eggs, apply to ECM and DCM positions as well as IB.

 
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Der Bankier was nice enough to provide the link, though it doesn't seem to work on my browser. I'm sure Queens' career center provides access to the vault guides, you should def. contact someone there and see what resources you can avail of. Vault guides are a very good place to start if you're completely clueless.

Canadian schools are known for their business programs and finance junkies are a dime a dozen.

Hah, really? Naturally, I know that IB positions in Canada are few and far between. But exactly how strong are the reputations of their finance programs? Specifically, how would an american IB recruiter, or even a banker, view a Canadian finance student?

 

Wow, thanks a lot guys, I'll defin check out the career centre.

And yeah, I also checked out a couple ECM and S&T positions.

They're all mainly looking for 3rd years as a safe investment for their training dollars, but whatever, I'll hope for the best.

 

If you're from Queens, McGill, or Ivey - Canadian & American recruiters alike recognize the rigour of your programs. McGill's finance is highly technical (you have to complete 10 finance courses to graduate, many of which are taken joint with the Master's students). Ivey's program is less quantitative and more case-based, but excellent nonetheless. Queens strikes the balance between McGill & Ivey curricula. This is not to say that other Canadain schools don't have strong finance programs (eg UToronto, JMSB etc) but they don't have the recognition M,Q, & Ivey enjoy in NYC.

I personally know people from those 3 schools who secured NYC positions with GS, MS, Lazard, JPM, UBS, UBS (LA), DB, CS, MOW (consulting). All of these firms recruited on campus, for their NY offices.

Many others I know placed well with BB's in London, too. Outisde of Canada, Q,M, & Ivey (sometimes even Waterloo, even though they're better known for their actuarial science / math focus) place very well.

 

Canadian schools may not enjoy the publicity of target US schools, but are quite good in their own right.

Not saying Queen's could compete with Havard. After all, Harvard's endowment is over 50 times that of ours...but we do have quality students.

Vast majority of my classmates here were all from the very top of their classes in HS. Many have had 1550+ SATs and turned down good US schools (like Columbia, some other Ivies, USC) to come to Queen's Commerce program, including myself (mainly because of the cost of education). People here work their ass off. If your image of Canadian schools are party schools or lumberjacks...you are mistaken. It takes effort to find the time to go out and party if u want to maintain semidecent grades. last year I could go out 2-3 times a week but this year I'm lucky if I can go out once.

I can't comment on Queen's Finance curriculum because I'm just a sophomore and haven't taken upper year finance yet, but yes, a lot of good companies recruit here.

They take the best and brightest of each class, which makes the competition incredibly tense.

in this past year these companies all had at least one person recruited from among us:

Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, UBS, Credit Suisse, ING, CIBC, BMO, Scotia

and consulting: BCG, Bain and Co, etc.

These guys all get around 100 applications for 1 spot usually. If I manage to land one, I'll be more than ecstatic.

In any case, if I don't get an ibanking internship this year, what do you guys recommend I do for the summer to better prepare for next year?

 

As a disclaimer, I am only a rising Junior.

From my experience, your gpa and school (I'm assuming a semi-target) will drag you down. On top of that, I've heard that a lot of banks are reluctant to sponsor visas. Your experience might be able to offset some of this, and if your MDs really liked you, that could be the push you need to land an interview.

Good luck

 
noobmonkey:
As a disclaimer, I am only a rising Junior.

From my experience, your gpa and school (I'm assuming a semi-target) will drag you down. On top of that, I've heard that a lot of banks are reluctant to sponsor visas. Your experience might be able to offset some of this, and if your MDs really liked you, that could be the push you need to land an interview.

Good luck

How is a 3.66 a drag on my chances? The minimum is a 3.5. My university is a semi-target when it comes to banking, but it is very reputable in other fields including medicine and engineering. It's a top 5-6 in Canada, depending on the year.

Btw, what about my chances in Canada? I'm not really worried about sophomore year seeing as how I can come back here and intern again next summer, btw is London stringent with the visa issue as well?

 

Reading some other posts, it looks like you got your shit through parents. It's not cool to flaunt shit like that. Good for you, though, I guess you looking for new job means you did like shit, and your mom had to suck off one of the MD's to extend your internship (my thought is that she did that in the first place to get you that internship anyways).

 
ruijiang_ma:
Reading some other posts, it looks like you got your shit through parents. It's not cool to flaunt shit like that. Good for you, though, I guess you looking for new job means you did like shit, and your mom had to suck off one of the MD's to extend your internship (my thought is that she did that in the first place to get you that internship anyways).

It's not flaunting, flaunting would be to lie and say I attained both through complete merit which would be dishonest. No freshman gets any proper internship without connections, period. Actually, I excelled and now have 3 MD's vouching for me and sending me resume to their BB contacts, obviously you lack attention to detail otherwise you would have ascertained that I was asking about next summer, hence the "sophomore chances" . It's not wise to express your anger the way just did, it shows weakness and immaturity.

 
CNB90:
So I'm just wondering what my chances are at getting at least an interview for a SA position as a sophomore, I know some U.S banks have sophomore programs and Canadian banks hire a few. A few MD's at my current Ibank know people in U.S banks and said they'd be able to help me out but I don't necessarily want to operate under that assumption, rather I want to base this on merit.

My qualifications:

Canadian university, May 2013 graduate.

GPA: 3.66, Commerce degree.

Experience: 5 week rotational program in one Ibank (IBD,PE,direct investment, investment research, and investment advisory). 2nd internship at another Ibank in the IBD, still there, was meant to be for a month but I'm getting it extended by a couple of weeks - I'm getting valuable financial modeling and presentation experience from the latter. Both are in the middle east.

What are my chances?

The only way this will work is through connections, not OCR or any typical recruiting process. While MDs may see your resume and want to offer you an interview, chances are he will never know you even applied, as the robots in HR like to throw away resumes that don't say c/o 2012.
 

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Beny23:

Hit up alumni from your school on LinkedIn right away. It's weekend so they might read it on Monday but it's your best shot that late in the process.

How should I approach this method? Should I just ask them to meet up with me for an informational interview or be direct and ask if their firm has any openings for an intern? Can you give me any other tips before I start contacting these people or recommend a template that has possibly worked for you?

 

I only managed to find a few analysts that currently work in boutiques, but I will also try contacting VP's and MD's as there are many more of them that are currently employed at boutiques. By the way, is contacting the higher-ups a bad thing to do or does it simply mean the chances of them helping me out are slimmer?

Thanks for all the input so far

iamamonkeybanker - That is definitely true, but some hope is lost after every day goes by

 

Anything related to finance will certainly improve your chances for sa recruiting. However, you may find yourself slightly disadvantaged when competing with other kids in your class who will have stronger internship positions. As always the name of the game is networking and I would suggest starting soon to strongly position yourself for as many interviews as possible.

 

depends on the bank, if its a solid place you will definitely get some good exposure and recognition back home. if its some name nobody has ever heard of then it will be a bit tougher. but a BB in an emerging market might be a good start.

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I think it will certainly be seen as a plus, particularly if the bank has some name brand recognition in the U.S. and/or you couple it with some language skills.

Remember, you are a Sophomore. You still have Junior summer to work in NYC if that's where you want to be FT.

 

Tough call. I'd say it's either Option 1 or 3. If you really like the MM firm and want to work there after college, I'd say Option 1.. However, if you are aiming for a top BB firm, then I think Option 3 gives you an edge. First of all, since you are at a target, the real IB experience will set you apart and you will be better prepared for SA interviews at BBs. Secondly, since it's a small firm, you have the chance to make lasting connections with the MD and other higher ups and perhaps utilize their connections in the future. Lastly, this reason is not necessarily that important, but the pay is nice.

 

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