An1: 85k with 25k stub

An2: 90k with ~40k-100k bonus range

A0: 125k base not sure about bonus

A0 at 125 for S&T is very low compares to A0 IBD that’s around 175k?!

 

The $125k happens at your third year on the job, while IB 3rd year analysts are making $95k base, and only lasts for four months until you go to A1 at $140k

 

Please correct me if i'm wrong about this, but would it be:

85k base + 25k stub (let's say for a 2021 FT): 2021 July - 2021 Dec (6 months ish) 

90k base + *average* 70k bonus: 2022 Jan - 2022 Dec (1 full year)

125k base for 4 months?: 2023 Jan - 2023 Apr

140k base + whatever the bonus is: 2023 May - 2023 Dec (end of 3rd year, but really only 2.5)

I could be completely fucking off so plz lmk

 

i recall years back i was a VP and paid a 100k base (this firm capped base and all variability was in the bonus)....and got a 600k bonus....so depending on the firm, the desk, and your performance, base could be a very small % of actual comp...so in my case base was only 14% of total comp that year.

just google it...you're welcome
 

Please tell me more about you, and don't tell me the days of 600k bonus are gone....

 

i had just started trading large size and got lucky with a string of mean reverting days and months...and i had just learned a mean reverting strategy using market profile...so it was just a gangbusters year.  the next year i tried to keep it going but then i faded a breakout (had not really seen on of those before)...and i got crushed and lost it all...and THEN i learned how to use a stop loss.   thats what happens when you think you know it all...but you only know half the story

just google it...you're welcome
 

So for my bank, pay changes typically happened on July to July timeframe (except the $125k to $140k) and bonuses all happened in winter. So for example:

$85k July 2021 July 2022 + $25k bonus (January 2022)

$90k July 2022 - Aug 2023

$125k Aug 2023 - Jan 2024

$140k after Jan 2024

 

Anything about banks raising S&T bases? We need to pressure them! 

Trader lives matter!

 

Anything about banks raising S&T bases? We need to pressure them! 

Trader lives matter!

No, they won't. Where are S&T analysts going to if there isn't an increase?

There is no competitive pressure. IBD is growing while S&T headcount is still shrinking.

IBD analysts get recruited by PE at 6 months, and can easily go to HF and Corp Dev.

S&T analysts don't have any exit opps and aren't actively recruited. There are no high paying S&T boutiques. If you're a trader you can exit to a HF after a solid track record of maybe 5-10 years. If you're in sales you can exit to sales at another bank or asset manager, but again, headcount is shrinking everywhere so there aren't that many exits.

Without competitive pressure pay will stay flat/go down.

 
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Here's a comprehensive summary based on my own research from combing through threads last year:

  • Analyst 1: 85-90k base, 35/45-60k bonus
  • Analyst 2: 90k base, 45/50-70k bonus
  • Analyst 3: 95k base, 35-70/75k bonus
  • Associate 1: 125k base, 75/80-100/110k bonus
  • Associate 2: 140k base, 100-140k bonus
  • Associate 3: 160k base, ??? bonus
  • VP: 175k base, 25-175k bonus 
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An0 $85k + $10k signing + $25k stub

An1 $90k + $55k

An2 $95k

Ao0 $125k + $65k <= full year bonus for 1/2 year An2 and 1/2 year Ao0

Ao1 $140k + $70k

Ao2 $150k + $75k

Ao3 $160k + $85k

VP1 $175k + $125k

VP2 $200k + ? (current level)

--- Everything below this line I cannot personally confirm ---

Ao4 (if not promoted to VP after Ao3) $175k + ??

VP3 $225k + ??

D $300k + ??

MD $400k + ??

 

It’s actually pretty strange during the As0 year. The way they do the bonus is part associate stub, part performance. At my bank it can come out to ~$65k. The way it works out (at my bank) is top bucket An2 bonus was more than top bucket As0 bonus because HR can’t do the math. While the As0 was ~$65k, the equivalent An2 was $75k

 

At my bank you receive the promotion effective in August, 2 years after you start work. You’re at As0 / $125k for the next 4 months until January, when you bump to $140k

 

Last year at my bank they did it really stupid (leave it to HR). It was half stub of like ~$30k + half performance based so for top or just below top bucket of ~$35 to $45k for a total of $65 to $75k for top performers. I had $75k for my first bonus so they clearly didn’t think it through at all

 

That is nice, that can really add up vs someone who is stuck as analyst until the end of the 2nd full year and in some cases the 3rd full year (generally a good way of knowing its time to start looking for another gig).  The promotion schedule and how bases ramp in the associate years is another thing to try to get a feel for when looking at S&T offers. From personal experience and talking to people across the street there is some variability across firms.             

 

Bump. What does the progression for BB look like for s&t/markets now that An1 is around 110k?

 

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