God I hope Romney wins. I'd hate to see another 4 years of that clown Obama. I really love how he presents himself to be a man of the people. If you went to Columbia and Harvard Law, you are not a man of the people, and cut from the same deck as Romney. Who is your money on?
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Obongo is going to win, sadly.
Obama won, time to short the markets
Hedge with gold.
Am I the only one on WSO who wanted Obama to win.
Make that 2 supporters
buying more IAU tomorrow
I really should start investing, all I have is a ROTH IRA.
Jeez, another 4 years of no progress. And now we are stuck with Obamacare / Dodd Frank / CFPB / and whatever this new "business department" is supposed to be. And we can count on the fiscal cliff getting messy.
I wasn't counting on Romney to revolutionize American politics - but I am now very concerned that we are going to have to live with Obama's past legislation.
Remember this day boys... Remember this day.
On the bright side, there's always a chance that a giant meteor might crash into the earth and reduce everything to dust.
I started this thread with such optimism about Romney ftw....shit.
This election proved that Nate silver is a witch... quants...
Anyone worried that the Obama reelection will lead to amnesty for illegal immigrants? Or something similar? That is the only thing I am worried about because importing millions of unskilled immigrants + keeping our existing welfare systems = near certain disaster for the US.
If this is seriously the only thing you're worried about, that worries me.
There are plenty of jobs that don't require any skills.
Nm
because its not just about jobs, its also about culture. a huge influx of immigrants at once would impact culture irreversibly, whereas a controlled intake allows for better assimilation.
sidenote: huntsman 2016?
Yes, but we can get our own citizens to fill them.
the immigrants you're talking about are now on the way to citizenship too if an amnesty happens. hth.
Obama's 2nd term will be a disaster. But he ran an amazingly efficient campaign that mobilized the entire democratic base and the coalition that brought him to the White House in 2008. Romney is a good man who would have made an excellent president, but his poor campaign and more importantly, lack of clear alternative agenda, doomed him. At a more macro level, the GOP is still tainted by the legacy of George W. Bush. And finally, it needs to find a way to reach out to non-white voters.
GOP needs a minority
New republican campaign motto would be "change", and we could call liberals racist if they don't support said minority. 2016 is in in the bag.
Yep, or they are doomed. Demographics are changing quickly, and whites are going to be a minority by 2040. Add to that the number whites who by then will relying on big gov't entitlements, and its a slam dunk win for the left every election.
He doesn't need to reach out to non-white voters. That's one of the biggest myths ever. Look at this vote. It was 72% white. He still got 29% of the Latino vote (only 2% worse than McCain).
Republicans should be striving to get 60%+ of the white vote. If that happens Midwestern states will go Republican and that will decimate Democrats. How do you push Romney's percentage from 58% of the white vote to 62-65% of the white vote?
Abortion. That's it. That's the only thing you need to change.
No one on WSO can even be remotely surprised by this outcome. This election was literally like having the Sunday paper on Saturday night.
The question is do you guys think the GOP is finished running unelectables now? Or do they have another couple in the pipeline to blow Presidential elections for the next decade? Someone needs to get them a memo letting them know that America is not returning to the 1950s, so they can quit running fossils and cult leaders who promise that it will.
The GOP has no one to blame this one on but themselves.
I'm actually a nice guy, but I was raised by a Marine DI and I know the value of a good ass chewing. Sometimes, you just need to get your butt kicked. So here goes.
...and I want you to read this very carefully, and think before responding:
Bingo. I saw this right after the 2008 election and just won a shit ton of money with bets placed on Obama going back to Novemeber 2007. Someone also said in another post that the legacy of Bush will continue to haunt them: this will be true only for another couple of years. My guess is that we're looking at a Cris Christie and Rubio ticket in 2016 that will be very competitive against the next democratic ticket, possible H. Clinton.It's one thing to be passionate about personal preference/belief, but I think a lot of the GOP truly isn't thinking clearly when it comes to actual analysis: * gold standard? * no abortion? * trickle down economics over simple local industry growth? * complete disregard for those displaced by globalization?? * Continue to push a WASP value system? * Social Darwinism....but I can't blow your fucking head off and eat your soul? * Think they're going to reverse a 30MM person immigration situation?
* increase defence spending and MENA involvement without cystal clear and publicly discussed objectives???
And my favorite: legitimate rape. No one in the GOP had the decency to take a strong stance on something I'd kill you for if you put a hand on my sister/mother/girlfriend. No one. NOT ONE FUCKING REPUBLICAN. not even the repbulicans on this site.. Go sit in the corner with the dunce hat on, you were raised better than that and I'm hella disappointed in you.
For Christ sakes, Romney failed at basic geography and I still know republicans who think Bin laden and Hussein were assfucking each other with nuclear weapons after EVEN DICK CHENEY ...privately for some reason... admitted to the whole thing being wrong.
Sorry for the tough love, but the GOP needs to get in touch with the real world, as in maybe their worldview is so fucked that REALITY has a liberal bias by comparison. While I do look strangely upon this website and the unnatural state of a bunch of 20 something year olds who are conservative ...frankly, it's unnatural... the GOP itself needs to seriously consider if they want another right wing conservative like Bush, a right winger who talks like a moderate like Romney, an actual centrist, or something else altogether. I suggest the 'other' category, and upgrade their worldview and MO completely. It's one thing to believe your own lies, it's quite another to expect thinking people to buy in. This election, despite any protest anyone can muster, demonstrates that for another four years, America didn't buy it and that change is needed in the GOP.
I say this as one who was raised ...extremely... conservative, realized just how full of shit the average republican has become, spent some time in the hard left camp and everything in between, and has resigned myself to permanent independant: the GOP is currently a travesty and an embarassment. I frankly question the judgement of anyone who doesn't openly challenge a lot of their positions. It doesn't mean I love the democrats, it just means I think they're better off in charge for the time being. If the GOP fanboys on this site or anywhere else fail to see that as the GOP's fault, then THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM.
Taking some time off to reevaluate exactly (1) who the GOP is (2) what on earth their mission statement is and (3) actually communicate their real agenda publicly, will do them some good and I've been saying this for about 4 years. Since they didn't listen to me or anyone else saying it, now they can sit out another four years. If they get their heads out of their asses, they may get my and a lot of people's votes and return to power. Otherwise, we'll just be having this conversation again in four years.
Get it? Got it?? ....good. See you in four years. Until then, I'm out of the politicking forums, it's not worth the spike in my blood pressure.
What does this mean?
The Republican party is in a lot of trouble. The extreme religious right has got to gtfo of the party.
I completely agree - the GOP needs to shut up about abortion, immigration, gay marriage, marijuana, etc. If you look at younger members of the GOP, they generally support the above but vote Republican for economic reasons. Generational and demographic shifts will make the current GOP platform untenable within a decade.
Contraception was an issue in this race. That should not have happened; such a fear should be seen as absurd. I don't know whether Akin actually believed what he was saying, or it was a gaffe, but that is the sort of thing that makes the party seem insane.
A restrictionist immigration policy still polls extremely well (I don't know why people say Republicans lost on this). Romney only performed 2% worse on Latinos (than McCain). He performed better among whites who are 72% of voters. Just get a few more percentage points among whites and he would have crushed.
this weird dynamic prevents perfectly electable republicans like the old mitt romney or jon huntsman from ever getting past the primaries.
Support Obama over Romney? (Originally Posted: 04/16/2012)
I think I'm voting Obama this election, debt is too large and Romney won't make spending cuts and blow it up. Obama in a second term won't have to deal with his base/Republicans and will cut taxes/extend the Bush tax cuts and cut spending since he'll want to be remembered as a great and bipartisan president (the vibe I get from him since he's the first black one and all and he even offered to cut SS/Medicare earlier which I 100% support)
What do you guys all think?
Seriously amused that some of you all actually thought Romney had a chance...
The Republican Party is fucked. Better start moving to center or the same thing will happen in 2016
You are insane. Romney was as center as the Republicans are going to get. A guy who signed gun control, Romney-care, pro choice and was the governor of Massachusetts. You don't get anymore center than Romney.
Obama won because he has a cult of personality. Anyone other than Obama, with Obama's record, would be packing his bags.
I nearly threw up watching the sheep bleat in joy for their master.
Where was all this savior-enthusiasm leading up to the election?
You're likely right about that, which is why we've probably seen our last Republican president (at least they went out with a bang, lol).
a half-baked conservative flipping and flopping all over the place is who america was asked to vote for.
So Obama is going to cut taxes despite going around the country touting the Buffet Rule?
You know its all BS, he needs to rev up poorer people to vote for him. The guy took heat in the 08 primary against Hillary for suggesting that he agreed with a lot of Republican policies, lower flatter taxes being one of them (although not crazy proposals such as getting rid of the capital gains tax for highest earners as Gingrich wanted to do earlier or getting rid of the income tax as Ron Paul wanted to do)
Damn you must still be in college to believe his rhetoric...
HAHahahahhahaha Obama cuts spending & cuts taxes. Trollololo
LOL I am in college and a good 70% of my college support him, but regardless I don't agree with any of his "rhetoric", only the fact that he's a centrist and has to take leftist positions to appeal to my professors/fellow students (this might exclude obamacare but considering a mandate is what Romney calls a conservative proposal and its what the early 90's Republicans wanted to do I'm really not sure since I'm still befuddled by the health care law)
Your first mistake was listening to a politician seeking reelection. Wake the fuck up. It's idiots like you that put the wrong people into office whether they be Democrat or Republican.
Obama=Clueless Romney=Empty suit Ron Paul=Liberty
Pretty easy choice OP
Obama is only centric because he lost the House and almost lost the Senate. If he had his way he would be far more left than he is now.
Always glad to know college kids, with their infinite wisdom support a guy who ran on Hope and Change, yet has brought none.
lol when Obama had the supermajority senate, he led the efforts on getting a mandate rather than single payer/medicare for all which is what his liberal base wanted
Just like Obama said he was gonna close gitmo...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/15/barack-o…
[quote=dogboo]Just like Obama said he was gonna close gitmo...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/15/barack-o…]
Ya but thats same thing as Romney where he's now pro life but obviously just has to BS around to win over the republican voters when in reality he's likely either pro choice or doesn't really care about the issue. Romney=Obama on most issues, but if Romney wins then he definitely won't cut spending since he'll have to run for re-election and just like Obama he cares more about his own popularity/legacy then having real beliefs about things. I mean if your talking about Ron Paul cutting spending, I'm certain he would, but a second term Obama>First term Romney in terms of the debt at least IMO
What are you talking about Romney would love to cut spending, nothing would make Republicans happier.
-Republicans(in theory) are for cutting as much non-military spending as possible, keeping taxes as low as possible.
-Democrats(again in theory) want to increase spending to provide a massive safety net for the entire population(see obamacare), and want to prevent income inequality(they want to distribute resources from rich to less rich). Both of those objectives are achieved through higher taxation overall, but he will say its mostly on the wealthy, but the reality is the wealthy dont have enough to fund the Democrats spending appetite so everyone will eventually pay, literally.
-Obama says he wants to shrink the deficit, but he'll really only take tiny slivers from it. He's not willing to cut anything except defense, which the Republicans will not allow. So in the end he will push for an increase in taxes and try to maintain spending levels. IMO
FYI I'm not a huge Romney fan, but I think he'd be better than Obama
Well I don't think the broad descriptions of the parties apply since Obama and Romney are two candidates who can do whatever they please and their policies aren't going to be all that different. Obama isn't going to cut the deficit by that much but neither is Romney, politicians aren't going to go to seniors to gut their SS/Medicare or make otherwise painful spending cuts and regardless of whose in the white house they will try to raise tax revenue by growing our way out of debt. Defense is definitely the easiest thing to cut (at least politically) and will be cut.
C.) NONE OF THE ABOVE.
I'm voting for a third party libertarian for president. For senate and congress, I'm voting (R).
Republicans tend to set good fiscal policy; Democrats tend to set good foreign policy. CC: 1994-2000.
Would you characterize Obama currently with (D) fiscal policy and (R) Foreign policy? At least to win re-election and then I feel like we'll see his true side (R) fiscal policy and (D) foreign policy, the policies he advocated prior to taking office. kind of like Bush when he decided to privatize Social Security AFTER the election?
I hate everyone, US catchall voting system is a piece of shit that needs reform. I would vote Republican except for their Bible thumping civil policies. Dems I don't care for, except I agree with their environmental policies. They seem less radical (on a public level, OWS are batshits). So I'm not voting. IDK why everyone in America is forcing voting down people's throat, it's useless unless you have genuine interest and belief in a party's/candidate's platforms.
I'll probably vote Obama. They're actually two very similar candidates. I think Romney is a bit too keen on increasing defense spending past its already ridiculous levels.
Its definitely a lesser of two evils decision, though.
They're similar candidates who will be pulled in opposite directions by their respective parties. Voting Romney out of self-interest.
I agree 100%, except Obama won't have another election to win while Romney will, and he will take measures to artificially stimulate the economy at the expense of the national debt.
Obama's tax on the rich would only add a little more than $200 billion over the course of 10 years.... are budget deficit this past year was $1.3 trillion and his proposed budget projects doesn't ever balance the budget...Adding more taxes to the wealthy Americans doesn't do anything to the budget.
He is not centric.
Obama-Biden 2012 Christie-j.Bush 2016 ????-2020
Money has already been placed. Not sure if I'll vote.
i will be voting for Bob Barr
lol I got monkey shit thrown at me for supporting Obama, beware kids
If Ron Paul doesn't go third party, I'm (reluctantly) voting for Obama.
Obama the tax cutter
BAHAHAHAHA
Obviously this was sarcastic, but it's actually not all that clear cut:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/30/news/economy/Obama_tax_record/index.htm
romney has no chance whatsoever
Remember all those people who claimed a third party vote is a vote for Democrats?
This election is your opportunity to say "F- you, Obama is the lesser of two evils, and I'm voting my conscience this time."
I won't be making 100 plus grand in the next 4 years, OBAMA
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Obama Vs. Romney Round III (Originally Posted: 10/22/2012)
Hopefully this thread gets front page. I knew going in that Obama was going to have a big advantage going against a governor as commander in chief but Obama has really been laying out Romney for the last 30 minutes.
Terrible idea to have the debate during Monday night football.
Well at least it is two blue state teams playing against each other so the fallout is somewhat limited. It would be funny if they had the Bengals against the Broncos tonight. I wonder if they schedule the games with the debate timeline in mind.
He's had 4 years of prep for this debate, it's home field advantage. I didn't expect Romney to win, but he will do well if he sort of stands his ground.
That's not enough to win. Incumbents almost always win unless their horrible and are completely outmatched by the challenger (Reagan-Carter). I'd be surprised if Obama didn't get a 1-2 point bump from this in the polls and leads in states like ohio and iowa
This is a one giant mess.
S: President Obama, let's talk about your Libya policy O: Well, my auto bailout was a success. Oh and also let me talk about my education plans.
S: Governor Romney, elaborate on your military budget. Are you proposing to increase it by two trillion dollars? R: I will repeal Obamacare and cut Medicaid.
Lol Obama found out in the first debate that you can't straight answer the questions and be "charismatic" at the same time (especially if the issue is muddled). Romney seems a lot like my former high school grocery stocking boss, he keeps interrupting the moderator which has forced Obama to interrupt, and bs in the same way
Worth a read: http://www.theonion.com/articles/both-candidates-announcing-unmitigated…
I wonder why TNA isn't in this thread...
The fake Obama stare...
Obama killed it and this is coming from a Republican. Both sides we're good, but Obama strikes when he needed to and he did it well.
CBS post debate poll shows that Obama won by nearly 30% points tonight over Romney, total butt kicking
It's not relevant if 1) no one is watching, and 2) if no one votes on foreign policy. Frank Luntz' focus group had about 30 undecided voters who said about 95-5% that the economy was the most important thing to them, not foreign policy.
I turned it off
That's the point I'm making. MNF + MLB playoffs elimination game + foreign policy debate = extremely low ratings, watched primarily by politicos. Undecided voters won't be making a decision based on foreign policy unless the election were being held November 2001.
fucking cardinals...what the hell?!
This is what I get from this debate.
1. I bet a lot of people watched MNF and NLCS instead
2. Foreign policy is pretty much unimportant in this election, people will remember the Libyan ambassador murder and Osama assassination. I'm pretty sure no one really focuses on it though.
3. I don't expect Obama (or Romney) to get any poll increase from this. Pretty sure most Americans are focused on the economy. Obama performed well, but Romney catered to the only crowd that really gives a f*ck about foreign policy this elections- Israel.
I honestly have very few problems with Obama's foreign policy. I mean I dislike that we are still so engrained in Afghanistan. Furthermore we are negotiating with the Taliban, which is just disgusting and looks weak. Plus when he went around the world telling them that we were wrong in supporting right-wing dictators so the Commies didn't kill us and establish left-wing dictatorships all over the world was pretty foul in my opinion. However the fact that we are doing more drone strikes vs. committing troops is a good thing in my opinion.
Pretty much everything else they said is the same. I would be on neither of them allowing the mandatory defense cuts to occur (as past presidents have done to mandatory cuts in spending). Romney probably won't be able to increase military funding because Congress has a lot of Tea Party conservatives who don't see the DoD as sacred and the Democrats will vote against any of his proposals. I doubt he would be all gung ho about going into any other countries unless something major happens. The Iran issue will end up being the same with both Presidents IMHO, because eventually they will either have the bomb or they will be attacked by Israel. We won't do anything first, and will commit resources to Israel either way.
I see FP as being extremely similar in both cases, which is why I focus (and I think most people focus) on the economic issues.
To quote Carville, "its the economy stupid". Most Americans don't know/care about our Syria policy, they just want jobs.
I wouldn't totally discredit the importance of foreign policy. After all the reason Jimmy Carter supposedly lost according to Republicans was due to the Iranian hostages, and the reason that Bush supposedly won was due to his self portrayal as tough leader. Remember, the economy wasn't either candidates strong suit by a long shot and their outcomes were determined by foreign policy more so than the condition of the economy though the debt and unemployment were still major issues as they have always been and always will be.
CNN poll had Obama winning debate 48-40. Given that 1) my guess is few people watched the debate and 2) virtually no undecided voter is going to decide based on foreign policy, this debate will have almost no impact on the race.
CNN's poll is of all debate watchers while CBS's poll is of uncommitted debate watchers. A 30 point win among uncommitted voters is a blowout, and intrade's odds that President Obama will be reelected increased a few points as well so I think that it will have some effect on the general election polls - probably +1 or +2 for Obama
Debate was boring. Foreign policy is not a big issue with voters and I doubt this third debate will move the needle. The die has been cast. Romney has been pretty steady through all three debates while Obama found his groove the last two. Voters will decide who they think can do better with the economy and that is that.
I really don't think Romney gives a shit about much more than the economy, which is fine with me. I personally think Obama gives a shit about even less and it has shown in the past 4 years.
If Obama wins I hope he learns something about underestimating and disrespecting your opponent. You could see the contempt for Romney all over his face. Pretty sad considering that Romney has just as good, if not a better record to be President than Obama did.
Does not compute.
Romney is just going to add to that 'hate America' perception around the world. I hate that.
Two things that show how much of an ass he is:
1) He put Mali in the Middle East. 2) That stupid smirk on his face just belies this deep arrogance that this country just doesnt need.
In any case, this is the point where each side declares "my side won, and is in prime position for being elected"
I'm willing to bet no one actually watches the debates and changes their position - that is the problem with debates. People just get so entrenched on their view & winning that they don't even give any thought to what the other person is saying.
Cause the world just loves us now, right? Not picking on you, but as long as America acts in its best interest, people in the world will hate us.
Yet they still come, hat in hand, looking for our aid money. Pretty funny isn't it.
Personally, I think both are incompetent, in different ways. Is it enough to just accept a lesser of two evils?
Foreign policy is a low priority issue for Americans in a good economy and even lower in a bad economy. The debate was pretty boring, only notable for Obama's wonderful catch phrase about bayonets. Romney was consistent throughout and Obama got back to his usual self during the last two debates.
Considering that this was the third and most boring debate, combined with football and playoffs, I don't see it having too much of an impact.
Personally, at this point, I see the popular voting being narrow and Obama pulling the electorate out. The sheep just eat up this class warfare trash and let them. I just think is is sad and pathetic the disdain Obama has for a person who actually did things in his life. I know Obama things manipulating (I mean community organizing) is a noble cause, but in isn't.
Saddest part of all this is that Hillary should have won. Instead Obama was simply given the Presidency and has acted so for the also 4 years. I suppose him being President is the epitome of being given his fair share.
http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2012/10/22/foreign-policy-is…
"Hype for the third and final presidential debate tonight has been considerably less than for the two previous face-offs — perhaps for good reason. The debate is focused on foreign policy, and Americans don’t seem to care that much about it."
"Not a single foreign policy-related issue has made it to 5 percent since the polling began in January, despite the recent unrest in the Middle East."
Americans do not care about foreign policy.
BTW, Romney is surging on intrade today. Up 7.3% as of this moment.
Oh look! The 3rd debate had the lowest viewership of all 3 debates.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/nielsen-million-watched-las…
And Romney is up 8.8% at the moment on intrade. Man, it's tough being this right all the time.
Debates are done and we are headed into the final weeks.
I am calling a Romney win.
LOL, some guy bought credits so that he could go down and throw monkey shit at me. Haha, I guess the facts speak for themselves.
CA votes in every tax increase
Broken state. Why have I avoided working in CA? Because I am waiting for a default/bailout, and the following bottom. There is no way this will close the gap. The state is simply uncompetitive now, despite silicon valley.
The unions have a death grip on Sacramento. I would argue that California's public sector is perhaps the most sophisticated political machine in the country. Families are intimidated at every turn - you hear in the schools "if ballot measure XYZ fails, we won't be able to go on the field trip".
I had to shut down my computer and turn off my cell phone yesterday night because I honestly couldn't stand the bandwagonning going on amongst my friends and acquaintances. We're talking smart, logical, target-school, finance/consulting/tech young adults. Every other day of the year, they are perfectly rational and can hold their ground in any sort of debate.
But oh no; once election month rolls around, they lose the ability to think and it's back to 2008, when every college kid was screaming for Change and Hope.
As an illustrative example, one of my friends saw this article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/mitt-romney-obama-student-loan…) and immediately started decrying, "Romney said he would cut financial aid for college students, don't vote for him!" Five similarly intelligent individuals immediately replied with, "Ew, don't vote for R-Money, he's greedy and is against basic human rights, vote Obama!"
Darlings, can you read?
Not to mention topics like abortion, contraception, etc. shouldn't even be involved at the federal level anyways. There are more taxing problems (excuse the pun) on the horizon.
I was literally the only person I knew that voted Romney. Sigh. /postelectionrant
America thanks you. Unfortunately not enough of us came through and the country lost.
:(
was a great night!
We need more strict immigration policies. Amazes me how we allow more and more unskilled people into this country, exactly at the time when unskilled jobs are diminishing. Anyone who supports an open border policy needs to examine unemployment rates by education level.
I would say high skilled labor is fine. If our students hate STEM subjects, let us bring over some Indian Institute of Technology grads. Europe is going to hell - we benefited from ex-Soviet scientists, so we should be trying to grab as much German/French talent as possible right now.
But fundamentally I agree with you: if you look at the lifetime PnL of an unskilled laborer to the state, they will ultimately consume more in government services than they will pay in taxes. If you clamp down on unskilled labor immigration while lowering the minimum wage, a lot of problems (unemployment, economic competitiveness) improve.
And open borders are insane, especially with countries as disparate as the US and Mexico. Canada might be ok. I hate big brother policies, but the government knowing who is in the country at a given time is generally a good thing.
Oh I agree. Open the gates to educated workers. They are what we need. We don't need unskilled workers though. I'll never understand people who think the US doesn't have the right to control immigration. Go try and illegally immigrate to the UK, France, Sweden, etc.
Mexico has a stringent immigration policy. Only the USA isn't allowed to have one.
Nm
Time to start getting skills boys. I'll probably be applying for my MS in the upcoming weeks.
Warren as a president would be the end of the world. Zero joke. I loath that woman.
Edmundo, does it happen that you feel the only (or the rare) sane man on these threads?
Huntsman wouldn't be a terrible candidate, but I'm not sure that will get it done in the Midwest for Republicans.
My facebook is absolutely blown up with idiots proclaiming how their otherwise pathetic lives now have meaning and a purpose because "they were the change they wanted" (someone actually wrote that). I think I'm going to delete my profile.
Yeah man. The Sheeple are bleating in joy. I do find it funny how the majority of people on my FB who are acting clown are ones I would consider less than successful. Deff the 47% ha ha.
My favorite is all the women in my feed expressing relief that they will still have their "reproductive rights" as if they were all planning on having abortions in the next four years and Mitt was going to ruin all the fun.
Yeah, well I hope they are loving that right to have an abortion (which wouldn't have been changed) while they are unemployed. Maslow's hierarchy of needs people. A job and food on the table are a lot more important than a right to do something that you most likely will never need.
Honestly, after going through my fb newsfeed everyone should grow up and quit being so angry and hateful. Disappointment and well articulated dialog carry your opinions a lot farther than name calling. Being hateful and angry won't change anything, now is the time to learn to work together so we can move forward as a country. A lot of us woke up this morning probably not in the happiest mode, but damn... life goes on.
Also like a poster said earlier, the GOP really needs to reinvent itself for the next election and move a bit more towards the middle.
It doesn't seem like many of the people on this board realize that Romney didn't lose "because the election was about gay marriage, abortion..." The fact that the Republicans pander to the religious right is concerning for anyone with remotely libertarian tendencies, but that's not what's killing the Republican party.
What's killing the Republicans is that they have not delivered on their economic agenda in nearly half a century. Small government? Who in the world are you kidding? Even when you include Obama's first term, the Democrats have reduced the national debt on a net basis since 1947 while the Republicans have added to it. The only Republicans you could empirically say were fiscally conservative were Eisenhower and to an extent, Bush Sr. Who in their right mind would vote choose to believe the Republicans when their record speaks so strongly against them?
And as for the actual economic policies proposed by Romney, what a joke. His plan to broaden the tax base and cut rates would have increased the deficit under any realistic growth assumptions. How is that fiscally conservative? Long-term reforms of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are what will have the largest impact on closing the U.S.' fiscal gap. Did Romney have much of a plan to take care of that? Didn't think so.
And besides, why are we trying to furiously cut spending in the middle of a balance sheet recession? The policy mix proposed by Romney and Ryan sounded just like what would compound the problems facing America next year, particularly squeezing middle and lower classes further. Corporate profit margins have turned downwards as the consumer has been squeezed to the bone, what's the point of exacerbating that?
I won't even go over the foreign policy area, the man just wasn't cut out for it.
The craziest thing about choosing Romney is that his legacy is built on policies most of self-identified conservatives here loathe. How are you going to vote for the guy who passed Romneycare, laying the groundwork for Obamacare which has given conservative Republicans many an ulcer? Some will say 'oh it's totally different at a state level.' Wake up! The whole point of universal health care is that it is an insurance mechanism which is only sustainably given the proper scale. If it works at a state level, economies of scale should be feasible and far greater at a federal level. So either Romney was a terrible governor and you shouldn't vote for him, or he was a good one but Obama is doing the same thing and has an extra four years of being president so why bother?
Some of you guys need to get your heads out of the sand. From an ideological standpoint, the Republican party of the last 50 years is a joke. Reagan was a good president, but he certainly wasn't a fiscal conservative. From the moment Barry Goldwater took the party over from an ideological point of view, it has been impossible to take the Republicans seriously. I don't take the Democrats seriously but they don't even have an identifiable ideology. You can't just look at what these people say or "fervently believe." Look at what they do. I am both a French and an American citizen and I found much of François Hollande's campaign promises loathsome. But I didn't bother showing up to the polls to defend Nicolas Sarkozy. You know why? Because Sarkozy promised a ton of economic reform in 2007 and spent the next five years trying to clear the streets of gypsies and stadiums of hooligans. You call that a president? Hollande just delivered one of the most business-friendly proposals France has seen in decades. There's actually a fighting chance he'll reform France's labor market all the while telling the Germans where they can stick their Frankfurters. And I'm hardly surprised at all.
While we would all like a president with the vision and balls to make our country a far better place and set us on the course of radical reform, the truth is those leaders are awfully few and far between. Better a leader who complies with the geopolitical constraints he faces than a guy who takes a crisis as a license to do everything wrong and make things worse.
Great post GoodBread.
Really good point. Maybe one day the Republican party will nominate a version of Ron Paul?
I was amazed at how many minorities and White women voted for Obama. The GOP needs to broaden their appeal because they will lose again. I don't think Obama won because these groups thought he was amazing, I think he was just the lesser evil honestly. Plus, Romney had a hard time distancing himself from some of the extremists that came out the woodwork during his campaign.
I'm really glad that minorities played an important role in this election, I actually think the shifting demographics in this nation is exciting and I hope this trend continues...
Neat.
I love you man haha
Idiotic sarcasm like this is part of why Romney lacked support from people other than white males.
hahahah +1
Seriously the funniest thing I've read in a while. Hopefully people don't throw monkey shit at you.
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