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Hey Guys,

I've been a longtime reader for over a year now, but I decided to finally make an account because I have some general career questions for you all.

My background: good GPA, finance major, coming from a non-target with a strong alumni base in the field of finance here in NYC. Graduated May 2012, currently working in Project Management (Operations) at a BB in NYC (GS/JPM/MS).

My situation: Graduated May 2012, currently working in Project Management (Operations) at a BB in NYC (GS/JPM/MS).

My question for you all:

Through a connection, I've been offered a position at what seems to be a pretty legitimate start up that is still in development (unknown to public). It is EXTREMELY well funded and was started by people who were very successful in the past. They sold another company for a lot of money, and it is something that you all are very familiar with. It also has some very well-known investors. The position would be on the business development team, but I would be starting in client development. My job would be to solve client problems and train them on how to use the product at on-site meetings. I would hope to translate this position into a sales job a few years down the road. I would literally be the first junior level employee they hired on the business development team so I see this as an advantage. I would actually be helping my potential boss build my team, which is cool.

I am not very happy in my job, as it is way too boring and mundane. The projects that we work on are important, but I don't want to grow in this role. I don't want to have my bosses job and I see this as a bad sign. Nobody really wants to stay in Ops as you all know. The only reason I would stay in this job is to try and move into Sales or Wealth Management. I know both of these things are unlikely and would be difficult.

Switching jobs would be a no brainer for me, but the new job requires me to take a LARGE paycut. I would be getting paid between 45-50 k, which is significantly down from my salary now. I have been given a bit of ownership units and am eligible for quarterly bonuses, but these obviously wouldn't be very large anytime soon. (The startup has no revenue yet).

I don't like my job now and would only stay to move into FO sales or wealth management. I feel like I would learn a lot more at the startup because I could see how the business was grown, launched, and developed thereafter. I would be able to touch more aspects of the business because it is new. I also see being the first junior level employee on the team as a large advantage and this would motivate me to work extremely hard. My biggest concern is the paycut and living on this amount in NYC. Granted my rent is not nearly as expensive as others.

So:

1) Do you think the risk is worth it? Could it be a big pay off, both financially and intellectually, years down the road to make this decision. Like I said, I have no intention on staying in Ops and would eventually try to leave.

2) How hard is it to move to sales at a BB. I know trading and IB are extremely hard, but they are much more analytical. Ideally, I'd love to do sales one way or another if I enjoyed the product. That's why I want to move to sales at this new startup.

3) Any other advice you all have.

I appreciate any feedback and I figured I'd ask because many of you are very experienced professionals with a lot of knowledge about start-ups, and finance.

Thanks a lot to anyone who answers. You have all kept me entertained and informed for the past year and a half and now I'm asking for a little advice/guidance.

ps: the stereotype about square toed shoes in operations is too true.

 

Do it. It's your chance to really hit it big. You have no real responsibilities other than yourself at your age. If you had kids and a wife/husband you wouldn't be able to take this risk. If it's as well-funded as you say, with big name people running the show, you will make great connections as long as you perform.

If you believe in the company go for it. But if you don't believe in it 100%, don't, you will burn out.

 

Absolutely go the startup route. Don't let any risk-averse luddites tell you otherwise.

‎"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."
 

If you believe in the business model, then absolutely. However, you need to ask for a copy of the operating agreement and need to make sure you are getting a fair valuation in the company. Don't let them just tell you how many shares or whatever. You need to know your ownership stake and under what circumstances you can get diluted...this is very important. This should all be outlined in the operating agreement. I would spend a few thousand dollars to get a lawyer to review everything. If the company is successful, it could save you millions.

 
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SirTradesaLot:
If you believe in the business model, then absolutely. However, you need to ask for a copy of the operating agreement and need to make sure you are getting a fair valuation in the company. Don't let them just tell you how many shares or whatever. You need to know your ownership stake and under what circumstances you can get diluted...this is very important. This should all be outlined in the operating agreement. I would spend a few thousand dollars to get a lawyer to review everything. If the company is successful, it could save you millions.
This, so many times this. I would definitely say go for the start-up route, but be smart about it; how awful would it be to have this end up successful and not reap the rewards?
 

Awesome guys, thank you so much for the answers.

I just want to let you all know that I do not have enough stake in the company to actually become wealthy in the event that it was sold. I was actually granted a small amount of "Profit Interest Units", which are more like a dividend if the company is profitable. I should have made this more explicit, but I will not be making a shitload of money by any means if the company is sold because I do not have a large stake at all. The startup has close to 500 employees already (close to 100 in the states and around 500 IT/tech employees overseas). So please note that I am not even close to being one of the original few employees or anything, I am just the first junior level employee that they have hired on the business development team. I am starting in a support role and hoping that it will translate into something that generates revenue as long as I work my ass off, which I will.

I am looking at this as more of a career growth option, with financial reward being less important because I know that I am not going to strike it rich by joining this company. I am asking if you knew anything about junior level employees who join startups. I am looking to build a comfortable career at this company and hopefully translate the widespread knowledge that I have acquired into something better down the road, and I am wondering if you all have any knowledge about the potential salary growth for someone in the position I am in. Basically, do you see the financial loss/risk I will take to be more beneficial than the job I have now? Like I said, I have no interest in working in Ops, but some people have told me: "It's great to have a big name company on your resume, take the experience and move elsewhere in a few years". Unfortunately, they don't know how difficult this is, and I personally don't even know if "finance" is the correct career path for me. I just figured I would ask you all because I have been a longtime reader, and you are all knowledgeable about the professional world, finance or not.

Any more thoughts? And yes, I would never forgive myself if this company became wildly successful. It seems like the risk is worth it for that alone.

Thanks again.

 

Just out of curiosity, what domain is the startup in (business to busines or business to consumer) and what general kind of product is it (mobile, web, e-commerce, finance etc.)?

How long has the company been around? The company raised money at roughly what valuation?

There are 500 employees (I'm assuming a lot of those are contractors, is that true?) and there is no revenue. That is a red flag. However, the key is what you think of the business model. Obviously, it's hard for us to tell you whether or not the job/startup is a good idea since we have very little familiarity with the business model.

On paper, your profit interest units seem pretty worthless, since the vast majority of "successful" startups get acquired before they become hugely profitable and DON'T go to IPO - in which case you presumably don't get anything. (And this is even assuming they are a success)

On the career growth side, you should be directly/bluntly asking your potential future boss(es) questions about what your role entails and what potential you have to grow your responsibilities.

 

The start up is a business to business website. The company has been around for over a year and the reason that there is no revenue is that they are still developing it before releasing it. I'm not sure about the valuation either but I believe it is very high because of how many different types of people can use the product. I wish I could disclose more but I signed an NDA. As I previously said, the very well-known investors have put a lot of money towards it and the CEO is the former CEO of a company many of you use regularly.

The profit interest units are not worth much at all, they would be like a dividend and a very small one at that. Although it would be nice, I'm not going to get rich off of working here if they sold it. I'm just seeing what you all think about something like this and wondering if there will be as much of a hassle to move up in the company compared to my job now.

It seems like many of you recommend switching, but my main goal here was to figure out whether it was a better opportunity than working in Operations at a BB. Every single person in Ops is trying to move out into something in the FO and I'm thinking it may be better to do something different.

Another question actually. If I were to build great sales experience at this company would I be able to get into sales at a BB or into PWM. Do financial firms look at a great sales record as something that could translate into S&T, even if the experience came from a non-financial company. I feel as though getting sales experience somewhere else would still be more beneficial for me if I wanted to get into BB sales because my job now is not teaching me any relevant skills for this. What do you all think of this notion of mine?

Thanks again!

 

What keeps tripping me up is how you mentioned they have 500 employees, which in my personal opinion is a very very high (almost unheard of, possibly) number for a B2B website that has only been around for something over a year and has not released yet.

Like I mentioned earlier, maybe you can ask your potential bosses more about what kind of potential you have to expand your opportunities and take on more responsibility, especially if you are truly the first biz dev guy.

 

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