Systemic Oppression Is Fake
I saw people arguing about this yesterday on multiple threads and I think any argument made is BS. I am a "minority" born into a lower middle class family and I hate when "woke" people tell me I am a victim or face systemic inequality because it's bullshit.
We have an equality of rights in America and anyone can succeed as long as long as they put in the work (although it's harder when born into a poor family). There are obviously cases of racism that negatively some minority individuals, but this is done on an individual level not a systemic level.
WSO turning into 4chan these days
This is just false. Explain to me how a student in a low-income community gets less funding allocated to them compared to a student in a high-income community? 36K vs 13K according to Gov Cuomo in NY. You're telling me that a low-income student's education is worth about 1/3 as that of a high-income student? Of course they won't have the same opportunities or capabilities to succeed. The SAT itself is harder for students in low-income communities because they can't afford the same resources or tutoring. I'm not saying it's impossible to succeed from a low income community, but the odds are stacked against them. All you have to do is look at the Board of Directors or C-Suite executives of S&P 500 companies.
Furthermore, explain to me how the mortality rate during childbirth is 4x higher in black women than it is for white women. Why were low-income communities disproportionately affected by COVID-19? Much higher positivity and death rate in those communities.
I'm not gonna be one of those people that are anti-white because that's just reverse racism, but the numbers don't lie. People in low-income communities have the odds stacked against them. By definition, that's systemic oppression.
You are making my point for me. It's based on income, not race.
Unfortunately, it's mostly minorities who are poorer.
“Unfortunately it’s minorities who are poorer” Lmao. So let’s dissect that.
Why? Are minorities less intelligent? Ohh was Tucker right, minorities just have a “victim mentality”? Perhaps minorities are just more violent and less driven?
Yes, we have major socioeconomic barriers that dramatically reduce a poor kid’s chance to succeed. But, clearly, none of the above-mentioned points are true, and minorities don’t make up the majority of poor communities because of their own doing.
The fact that we can so closely tie socioeconomic status to race, tells you that we have a system that has historically been unfair to minorities.
@ OP Are you dumb? It's a virtuous cycle because these minorities can't make it out of their social class. In a sense, it becomes a mini caste system. The fact that these minorities are part of a low-income community dates back to the pre-civil rights era where no one would hire them for white-collar jobs. The only previously successful black city in America, Tulsa, was burned down by white supremacists in 1921. The system has been against them since Day 1. Yes it's about income, but minorities make up the majority of low-income communities. If they aren't even educated at the same level, how do you expect them to make it out of their low-income communities? That's systemic oppression LMAO idk how else to spell it out for you my guy
Its 2020, the internet is a great equalizer. Khan Academy is better than 40% of the professors I know.
It's harder when you're born into a poor family?
I don't see how that is offensive. I was born into a poor family, but I was raised lower middle class for most of my life
It's not offensive, I am just trying to make the point that its right in front of your eyes. I was also born into a poor family and raised like you, and I don't give a fuck how hard it was. The point is that it is harder and not truly an equal opportunity like you say it is. Systemic oppression is not just about race, but economic considerations as well.
Saw this on my instagram the other day and was absolutely baffled- the median net worth for a white family in Boston is $247k and it is $8 for a black family. Not a typo. Nearly $250,000 for the median white family and less money than I have in my pocket right now for the median black family. How can anyone possibly explain that without attributing it to systemic racism?
If instances of racism were all on an individual basis, surely the law of large numbers would kick in and those few who are discriminated against would be 'averaged out' and the white vs black divide would be substantially smaller. Would love to see someone justify this data and that systemic oppression is fake.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/12/11/that-was-typo-the-median-n…
We should focus on the entire USA instead of Boston because lower income families in Boston have it bad (no matter race) because it's sooo expensive to live there, so they can't save up, hence the low net worth. I would expect the same thing in cities like SF.
That point aside, there is past systemic racism that explains this divide (slavery, Jim Crow). However, there is nothing stopping anyone from succeeding right now by law. It's just much harder to succeed in a poor environment (regardless of race).
I would bet that poor white, asian, and hispanic families have a similar net worth if they are in the same neighborhood.
You're correct in that nothing is stopping anyone from succeeding by law. That isn't the debate. Systemic oppression goes past the law. It's built into the foundation of the country. Yes, there may be some poor white and asian families in these communities. But the majority of these communities are made up of poor Black and Hispanic families. That screams systemic oppression especially when you rarely see them working white-collar jobs.
"XYZ inequity = Systematic Oppression"
A lot of smart people (Thomas Sowell) write books on why that logic is horrible.
Discriminations and Disparities is a great read.
Thomas Sowell makes indeed excellent arguments. Then again, by looking at the thread, it's pretty obvious that almost anyone who believes in ''systemic racism'', simply repeats whatever bs the media tell them. Except the ideologues, those know what they are doing.
Genuine curiosity, what was the point of this post? Was it just so some other people can validate your opinion and you can spin it into some undeniable fact? Do you need that much validation?
Other commenters brought up good points. The fact of the matter is that there will always be exceptions to broad classifications of people. There will always be ways to prove someone wrong, especially with a topic as nuanced as race and socioeconomic success.
I used to think similarly. I’m a minority, I grow up upper middle class, I saw my dad as an example of how systematic racism isn’t real because he’s a poor minority foster kid who became very successful. But my view changed when someone told me the following, “Systematic racism does not dictate who can and cannot be successful, only dictates who can be average.”
Being average is a luxury. For some, average is a corporate finance guy at a F100 company (which is actually very successful outside of the rising sophomore rankings of prestige), for others average is managing a retail store, and for some others managing a retail store is high success and holding down a simple dishwashing job is average.
I would agree there is systemic inequality in the US, based off of socio-economic factors. And those socio-economic differences are rooted racism.. Including racism after the civil rights movement of the 60s.
What I am curious about is why racism gets all the attention in systemic inequality.... I mean there are plenty of genetic things (things u can't change) that can hurt your career.. Take for example being short- 85% of male CEOs are above 6'0, only 15% of the male population is.. That sounds awfully systemic to me. What about being attractive? While I hate to say it, most guys in IB will higher an attractive woman before a less attractive one. What about if you're 25 and have cystic acne that won't go away no matter what you do? These all sound like systemic disadvantages, things people really can't change, but nobody ever talks about them-they just talk about race.
All these people face discrimination for jobs and promotions and asides from the pain and inhumanity one's ancestors endured 170 years ago- can someone give me a reason why POC should get AA privileges over all others?
Go ask the HR at any firm, but don't take your anger out on minorities who are just taking advantage of what's being offered to them. I see too much of that on here.
If I have to ask HR and no one online can answer the question then I think my argument is pretty valid- Race isn't the only thing that should be considered when it comes to AA. (if AA is going to be a thing)..
Also Im not taking out my hate on AA candidates. I know many great analysts who are AA, and they themselves joke about it all the time. I think many of them deserve the entire would with how hard they've worked, but just because you've had a tough journey doesn't mean that entitles you a job or means they are the best person for a position- particularly when many people don't get the advantage when their journey has been harder. (for extreme cases think a white kid who's parents died, or grew up rotating around foster homes.)
I'm coming from a genuine place of curiosity because I can't answer that question myself. Its unfortunate people take this question as hate-speech, and I would be fired from my bank if I publicly questioned the status quo
I am skeptical that the OP is a minority.
He's Asian. They're often more racist than white ppl so no surprises here.
Eh, Asians have not experienced the systemic racism that black people or hispanic people have experienced in the US. The post really makes no sense. Perhaps, his point is that if he can make it as an Asian, then other people could become successful as well. There is no wealth gap or education gap for the Asian communities in the US. Asians represent about 25% of the student population at Harvard.
Consider that society operates independent of central control and its up to individuals to find common ground and direct resources and capital to the benefit of the entire community.
You have the American government, American enterprise, and all other American institutions, that were built on the backs of a diverse group. You had settlers or immigrants from Europe and Asia, as well as the labor provided by African slavery.
The descendants of those groups exist today and they have inherited the positions held by their ancestors. If you assume that there was racism, and that all of the factual evidence points to an economy built along racial lines, whether it's capital, free labor, or employed labor, those distinctions come with very stark cultural and socioeconomic differences for the descendants.
Now, also consider that individuals must act to the best of their ability and knowledge, despite there are clear built-in differences to each person based on inherited circumstances in the history of this country. How do you think resources or capital can be effectively allocated with only limited representation based on the above presumptions laid out above?
Systemic racism is fake but the individuals who often run the system (white ppl) are often racist/prejudiced... find the flaw in your logic.
Well just having a minority name on a resume or networking email even with the same content/credentials gets blacks, hispanics, and even asians fewer responses than whites. If that's not systemic idk what is
OP is definitely one of Richard.'s accounts
Wuhan Coronavirus (if you use Covid 19 you are a CCP propagandist, since it's blatant now that the WHO was covering up for them): if the overrepresentation of African Americans is evidence of ''systemic racism'', then we might as well look at suicide rates in the US, which see white men as the most affected category: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-10-healthy-men-epidemic-white-male… By the same flawed logic, then white men are victims of systemic racism.
Police shootings. Here data at hand show that 95% of victims are males. Again, by the same reasoning of ''systemic racism'', then the police is a system of oppression against men.
This is an excellent essay by a (black) academic dismantling the entire narrative: https://outline.com/V5hGdY
Further, let's see actual discrimination on the way, unsurpisingly by racist liberals in California: https://fee.org/articles/california-legislature-votes-to-strike-the-sta…
Why would California vote to scrap ''the state shall not discriminate''? Here it gets Orwellian but it shows the insanity of the woke crowd and their nonsense. The state not discriminating produces ''racial inequality (of outcome)'', so it will be scrapped to... ''end discrimination''. Racial discrimination (starting with universities) will be implemented by arguing they are fighting against it.
Come at me racists.
I’ve often started typing out long, logical posts like these and canceled them before posting when I realize people like those in this thread won’t read them and/or change their opinion. It comes down to having an emotional agenda and not caring (or more likely not understanding) about the logical facts.
Miss me with this bullsh*t. African Americans as a collective literally endured 250 years American Chattel Slavery (the raping, pillaging, subjugation and murder of millions of families) and then a subsequent 150 years of Jim Crow, segregation and all the socio, economic, and political upheaval that came with it. This is the epitome of systemic oppression mandated from our own government for centuries. We as a nation never truly enabled them to work off an even playing field once we dismantled Jim Crow and entered the civil rights era. The Civil Rights Act (this was literally only 55 years ago) didn't just magically fix generations of turmoil. My grandfather was literally a slave.
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