I have both my ears pierced..for interviews/work I obviously take them out. I'm wondering if 1) interviewers can notice the hole in my ear and 2) do they look at it negatively, therefore lowering my chance at getting the job?

 
trackstar2k2:
I have both my ears pierced..for interviews/work I obviously take them out. I'm wondering if 1) interviewers can notice the hole in my ear and 2) do they look at it negatively, therefore lowering my chance at getting the job?

What you want to do is take your earrings, shine them up real nice, and stick them straight up your candy ass.

But seriously, unless you have one of those emo type holes in your ear, you should be fine; it's hardly noticeable.

 
trackstar2k2:
I have both my ears pierced..for interviews/work I obviously take them out. I'm wondering if 1) interviewers can notice the hole in my ear and 2) do they look at it negatively, therefore lowering my chance at getting the job?

Answer: Most likely not. I had my ears pierced back in the day trying to be cool and although you can still notice the holes if you look hard enough, I'm not aware of it ever negatively impacting me. Regardless though, what's done is done, so there's nothing you can do about it unless you want to pull a Van Gogh. Then you are really fucked for interviews.

 
Grossbeak:
Any of you folks have visible tatoos/earrings? how is this received in the workplace?

Just curious - no need to flame .

Thanks

If your referring to a group of individuals as "folks" your visible tatoos/earings arn't the only thing keeping you from getting a job

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Chech4:
Grossbeak:
Any of you folks have visible tatoos/earrings? how is this received in the workplace?

Just curious - no need to flame .

Thanks

If your referring to a group of individuals as "folks" your visible tatoos/earings arn't the only thing keeping you from getting a job

  1. Thats a really obtuse thing to say. Most people on this forum are open minded and regional, non-offensive slang hardly hurts your job chances.

  2. I don't have any tattoos or piercings, I'm just interested and thought others would be as well.

 
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About 7 years ago I had my ears pierced for about a month. Unfortunately, the holes never fully closed. It never impacted me in my interviews to my knowledge (an obviously important modifier). It took about 2 months into my SA position for my manager to even notice and by the time he did we laughed about the stupidity of youth. No problems in FT recruiting.

Bottom line, as long as they aren't really noticeable you're fine. Even if they do get noticed, as long as the rest of your appearance and demeanor doesn't suggest you're an "earring" type of candidate (however you want to define that), then you should be fine.

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Well played Mr. Rob f-ing Shaw!

What are your thoughts about just normally responding to a situation like your interview with your boss? Although your response worked out perfectly and exhibited your social skills, wouldn't proceeding normally show that the candidate is professional and can keep calm during unexpected situations in a business setting?

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good question - what it's really about is catering to your audience. when i came to bradsby you better believe it was all 'yes sir, no sir' because I could read that the owner of our company was that kind of a guy and thats what he wants. to this day i still don't call the owner of my company by his first name while the owner of my old company never was address by anything but his first name... this is where doing some research on ur interviewer comes in handy

Robert Shaw Recruiting Consultant Lakeshore Denver, CO
 

What to wear to an interview: -Tailored charcoal/navy suit -White spread collar shirt (Charles Tyrwhitt or BB) -Navy striped tie -Black cap-toe shoes (Allen Edmonds Park Ave) -Black socks

What not to wear: -Contrast collar -Pinstripes -Cuff links -Handkerchief -Suspenders -White socks -Square-toed shoes -Black suit -Black shirt -Hermes ties -Tie bar -3-piece suits

 
BTbanker:
What not to wear to an interview: -Cuff links

agree with all but this.. don't you think a nice french cuff shirt with subtle cuff links is fine? I know it's a lot more common in Europe but of all the "Dont's" I imagine this is the least to garner problems

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lol what i forgot to include was how it started... walked in and sees me in the 'interview killer' suit as i so affectionately call it and he goes "whoa whoa you are all f-ed up... loosen up your tie, take off your jacket and relax... im gonna go back outside and try it again"... literally walks out of the conference room, closes the door, opens it again and hits me with that little gem....

guy ended up being a lot less cool as time wore on but hands down the best interview i'll ever have lol

Robert Shaw Recruiting Consultant Lakeshore Denver, CO
 

Make sure you give yourself some time/ formulate a strategy for a post-subway ride cool down. Right after a shower, walk in the summer heat, subway wait, and subway re-emergence, it's easy for almost anyone to look like Patrick Ewing in any game 6 against the Pacers walking up to the secretary's desk.

"I'm a historian, and that freaks me out."- Mike Tyson
 
bankerella:
I have the same three words on a sticky note on my monitor too, except for me it's a reminder to develop my late-career success factors.
Agreed. Hence my contrast collared shirt with French cuffs, Hermes tie, and five figure watch.
 
bankerella:
Nice douching there. I wish expensive women's clothing looked as douchy as men's.

i believe expensive douchey clothing is sold in a store called DASH... it's just not businesswear lol

if my ex is reading this - i will never forgive you for dragging me in there... I'm scarred for life

Robert Shaw Recruiting Consultant Lakeshore Denver, CO
 

Shaw, you're an animal. Do you do any business with Petrie Partners/Strategic Energy Advisors? GMB? Q Advisors?

Also, just out of curiosity--how does commission for a recruiter typically work? Does your placement have to stay with the firm for a given amount of time, or is your fee up-front?

Re all the fashion advice: BT's list I'd say is 100% accurate if you're interviewing in the Rocky Mountain region. Even if you're walking into Janus or Marsico Capital, if you have on a breitling and cufflinks, you will look like a total fuckchop. Or as miss Bankerella refers to it, a pretentious douche canoe. More common to see HFM's and partners walking around in Chocos and t-shirts than anything else. Also, #PDC should be a new website idea.

 
CaR:
Shaw, you're an animal. Do you do any business with Petrie Partners/Strategic Energy Advisors? GMB? Q Advisors?

Also, just out of curiosity--how does commission for a recruiter typically work? Does your placement have to stay with the firm for a given amount of time, or is your fee up-front?

Re all the fashion advice: BT's list I'd say is 100% accurate if you're interviewing in the Rocky Mountain region. Even if you're walking into Janus or Marsico Capital, if you have on a breitling and cufflinks, you will look like a total fuckchop. Or as miss Bankerella refers to it, a pretentious douche canoe. More common to see HFM's and partners walking around in Chocos and t-shirts than anything else. Also, #PDC should be a new website idea.

Unfortunately i dont work with any of those guys. the unfortunate thing about a place like denver is that everyone knows everyone... there are two reasons someone puts on a recruiter - to take away the pain of going through 1,000 resumes of janitors, bank tellers, tugboat captains and the like or we are value added in bringing in the top level talent. Unless a client here is looking to recruit from outside the market they really dont have much of a use for us quite candidly.

comission for me is 25-30% of all guaranteed first year comp - guarantees are always in place however when i have someone come at me with a longggg guarantee it raises a shitton of red flags because if you are worried about someone leaving your firm to the point where my guarantee nees to be 90 days my question is whats so wrong with the firm that they are that concerned about it. my job is to place not retain people, so i always make sure that anyone with a big guarantee demand gives me the reason why.

BC the other thing is... daddy dont get paid until that clock runs out!

Robert Shaw Recruiting Consultant Lakeshore Denver, CO
 

So what firms do you work with often, if not those banks? Those and Headwater, Stifel, and Piper are some of the only shops I really hear about. No problem if you can't answer specifics, I understand that.

Do yall tend to do more mid-upper level recruiting or do you ever get requests for entry level? I feel like entry level would be a secondary priority for a recruiter because the salary is lower and there is typically a supply glut of loser kids from CSU and the like. No offense if you went to CSU my man, I'll buy you a beer tonight at the Gin Mill if you did. Two if you didn't.

 
CaR:
So what firms do you work with often, if not those banks? Those and Headwater, Stifel, and Piper are some of the only shops I really hear about. No problem if you can't answer specifics, I understand that.

Do yall tend to do more mid-upper level recruiting or do you ever get requests for entry level? I feel like entry level would be a secondary priority for a recruiter because the salary is lower and there is typically a supply glut of loser kids from CSU and the like. No offense if you went to CSU my man, I'll buy you a beer tonight at the Gin Mill if you did. Two if you didn't.

Yeah sorry - client/candidate stuff is all confidential with me.

We dont do any entry level stuff - long story short the supply/demand aspect of entry level stuff doesnt really justify paying me to find someone unless it gives the hiring manager that much of a headache.

Haha no CSU/CU for this guy your boy kept it real in NY tearin up New Rochelle with the bagpipe band ... IONA GAELS BABY!!

Robert Shaw Recruiting Consultant Lakeshore Denver, CO
 
noob123:
it shouldnt impact you professionally... as long as it doesn't have stuff like "thug life" or have a tramp stamp on your lower back. I think you're straight.

In some ways I'd actually be more accepting of "thug life" than "carpe diem".

Either way, pretty embarrassing - but certainly shouldn't be a limiting factor in any professional capacity.

 

F9: I generated ideas that led to $20m of incremental revenue. I was rated as the best in my class by my supervisors. I’m consistently the first in the office and the last to leave. I’m a team player and clients love me.

Boss: Those are all true F9. Unfortunately, you’re not going to get a bonus this year because you have a tattoo. There’s no use denying it – several of your colleagues saw it in the showers when they were trying desperately not to look at your genitals.

F9: But…But…But…What does that have to do with my performance? It doesn’t affect my work in any way and it’s never on show at work.

Boss: I’m sorry F9, that’s just the way it is. It’s not fair but then life rarely is. Maybe next time you go on holiday you’ll do what everyone else does to remember it by – take photos. I mean, seriously, “carpe diem”? What is that? Some kind of fish? You’re the “King of Fish”? Now get out of my office. I have to fire our star trader for his consistently chapped lips.

 
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F9: I generated ideas that led to $20m of incremental revenue. I was rated as the best in my class by my supervisors. I’m consistently the first in the office and the last to leave. I’m a team player and clients love me.

Boss: Those are all true F9. Unfortunately, you’re not going to get a bonus this year because you have a tattoo. There’s no use denying it – several of your colleagues saw it in the showers when they were trying desperately not to look at your genitals.

F9: But…But…But…What does that have to do with my performance? It doesn’t affect my work in any way and it’s never on show at work.

Boss: I’m sorry F9, that’s just the way it is. It’s not fair but then life rarely is. Maybe next time you go on holiday you’ll do what everyone else does to remember it by – take photos. I mean, seriously, “carpe diem”? What is that? Some kind of fish? You’re the “King of Fish”? Now get out of my office. I have to fire our star trader for his consistently chapped lips.

HAHAAHAH.. that's awesome.

Dude, don't sweat it. If I saw a young analyst with a tat, I'd just chalk it up to "I'm getting old" and kids must do that now.


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John Mack:
F9: I generated ideas that led to $20m of incremental revenue. I was rated as the best in my class by my supervisors. I’m consistently the first in the office and the last to leave. I’m a team player and clients love me.

Boss: Those are all true F9. Unfortunately, you’re not going to get a bonus this year because you have a tattoo. There’s no use denying it – several of your colleagues saw it in the showers when they were trying desperately not to look at your genitals.

F9: But…But…But…What does that have to do with my performance? It doesn’t affect my work in any way and it’s never on show at work.

Boss: I’m sorry F9, that’s just the way it is. It’s not fair but then life rarely is. Maybe next time you go on holiday you’ll do what everyone else does to remember it by – take photos. I mean, seriously, “carpe diem”? What is that? Some kind of fish? You’re the “King of Fish”? Now get out of my office. I have to fire our star trader for his consistently chapped lips.

LOL! that was awesome.

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John Mack:
F9: I generated ideas that led to $20m of incremental revenue. I was rated as the best in my class by my supervisors. I’m consistently the first in the office and the last to leave. I’m a team player and clients love me.

Boss: Those are all true F9. Unfortunately, you’re not going to get a bonus this year because you have a tattoo. There’s no use denying it – several of your colleagues saw it in the showers when they were trying desperately not to look at your genitals.

F9: But…But…But…What does that have to do with my performance? It doesn’t affect my work in any way and it’s never on show at work.

Boss: I’m sorry F9, that’s just the way it is. It’s not fair but then life rarely is. Maybe next time you go on holiday you’ll do what everyone else does to remember it by – take photos. I mean, seriously, “carpe diem”? What is that? Some kind of fish? You’re the “King of Fish”? Now get out of my office. I have to fire our star trader for his consistently chapped lips.

The King Fish bit.......pure comedic gold
 

People will want the story when they see it, and I would make sure I have that down pat. However, people aren't really that shallow that a tattoo that you can't see even in a short sleeve shirt will change your employment prospects at a financial institution.

On the other hand, visible tats are a big no no if they would be seen in a client meeting. If you aren't an ex-marine and can't bond with 60 year old CEOs over your unit, then that might hold you back.

You might as well say, I've got an unsightly birthmark on my shoulder, if someone sees it at the gym would it change my employment prospects.

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PowerMonkey:
People will want the story when they see it, and I would make sure I have that down pat. However, people aren't really that shallow that a tattoo that you can't see even in a short sleeve shirt will change your employment prospects at a financial institution.

On the other hand, visible tats are a big no no if they would be seen in a client meeting. If you aren't an ex-marine and can't bond with 60 year old CEOs over your unit, then that might hold you back.

You might as well say, I've got an unsightly birthmark on my shoulder, if someone sees it at the gym would it change my employment prospects.

Yeah, good point- definitely make sure to have your story down. If you tell someone that you got it because of a 4 week trip to London, you will become "that guy" around the office.

Frankly, I can't think of a single good reason to get a carpe diem tattoo other than you got really drunk one night in Mexico and got it done and planned on getting it removed but the buddy you got it with died and you just keep it for his memory. Of course, not sure you want to say that at work.

ideating - being "that guy" can either be a good thing or a bad thing. Which do you mean?

Also, would it change everyone's opinion about the tattoo if I told you that "carpe diem" is actually Latin for "Cease the day" ? What do you think about the tattoo Now?

But seriously - I would figure that on Wall Street (where old money reigns), tattoos would be deemed inappropriate, trashy, low class, etc. I'm surprised it's not that big of a deal. Have you seen other well-respected Wall Streeters with tattoos?

 
F9 - Update:
Also, would it change everyone's opinion about the tattoo if I told you that "carpe diem" is actually Latin for "Cease the day" ? What do you think about the tattoo Now?

Pretty sure everyone knew what the phrase meant (which, by the way is actually "Seize" and not "Cease").

That's why I said "thug life" might actually be less embarrassing - because "thug life" seems less cliche / Dead Poets Society'ish.

 

wouldn't he be better off NOT trying to explain the tattoo? i feel like a lot of people have tattoos, and the more you try to explain or protest it, the more attention you end up drawing to yourself. i feel like if you go about things being business as usual, i don't see why it should make that big of a difference. usually, things don't become problems unless you imagine them to be problems.

as an alternative suggestion, F9, maybe you should get used to wearing t-shirts or even long sleeves. under armour sells a lot of sweat-wicking gear. i doubt anyone will ever ask you why your shirt has sleeves, and if they do, just say that it helps you get warmed up faster and that you're all about "work first, play later" -- you're concerned that anything sleeveless would be too much of a distraction to the female analysts and associates, or something like that.

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My god....

Being that guy is a bad thing. Yeah, we all saw Dead Poets Society. And it is "Seize" not "Cease" unless you were making a witty, suicidal/depressed pun in Latin (going on a limb here, guessing you didn't mean to).

Old money doesn't reign on Wall Street- there are many more Asians, Jews, Hispanics and blacks on Wall Street than the WASP types. According to your thinking, Sikhs would never work on Wall Street because of the ostentatious turban, beard etc.

There are many other, much more acerbic things that I want to say but I will refrain.

 

Agreed. Delete your post, bro.

And to answer your question: your tattoo could be worse. While it likely won't be an issue, especially if the people you work out with are your age, some older people may implicitly judge you. Yes, tattoos are perceived as being "low class", even by a lot of young people (I'm not one of them). But is that really important? Probably not. I will say, if you are a clean-cut kid, "all-american" type kid, the tattoo will just add some character. If your appearance is a little on the "edgier" side (even just by your genetics), it may bring out some more negative assumptions. Again, it probably doesn't matter, but take everything into account.

If your tats are from the military, as echoed above, it's simply a talking point. I know a guy in my group covered chest/back and upper arms with tattoos from his military days (and some post-military). While I'm not sure if any "senior" management knows about them, none of the analysts care and we actually think its cool. Being abnormal isn't always a bad thing, especially in an industry full of stereotypical type A people.

 

I agree with SMU and think the only way to balance out your ridiculous tat is to get at the very least Thug Life or God's Son across your belly and a tear drop below your left eye (representing all of the people you have "ceased" in your "days").

You get one shot at life...do whatever the fuck makes you happy and stop worrying about what your co-workers will say or do.

 

I think you should go against the grain and get tatted up all over your body, preferably in highly visible places like your neck (I'm thinking two praying hands with the infamous Tupac saying, "Only God Can Judge Me"), your wrist (Perhaps your nickname?), and as mentioned the tear drop under your eye, obviously showing love for one of your home boys who left this world far too early.

Lol kidding - a tattoo isn't such a bad thing. Obviously you regret the move now, but it shouldn't be a problem unless you make it a problem. Just keep it covered up at the gym and you'll be fine.

 

dude, do you ever take a shit without asking advice about it on an online forum?

unless you have a swastika on your forehead, you will most likely be fine, jeeez

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Ok WSO - I need to go to the bathroom. Should I shit? Should I use the public bathroom? Should I hold it until I get home? Please respond ASAP. I really gotta go.

Yes, the "cease" was a joke. That's why I wrote "but seriously" to start the next paragraph, hinting that I was not being serious in the previous paragraph. I would be surprised if someone didn't know what "carpe diem" means, especially anyone on this board.

Back to the topic at hand: picture this situation: a female banker has a tattoo on her lower back. She's in the office and she's dressed appropriately. She bends down to pick up a stack of papers and reveals a glimpse of her tattoo. Is it really not a big deal? Do you really think that I wouldn't limit her potential? Such a situation isn't much different than the original situation I described above.

Randomwalk - my real tattoo is actually much more embarrassing. I have an "M" on each cheek so when I bend over is says "M O M". I was really drunk with some friends and we all thought it would be a good idea at the time. I'm really worried about dropping the soap in the shower at a gym in NYC and being known as the analyst at XYZ firm with a tattoo of "M O M" on my ass. ...Well, I guess my secret is out now.

junkbondswap - yes, only one shot at life, so I don't want a silly thing like a tattoo to limit my potential. I'd get it removed tomorrow if I knew it would be a big deal. Based on people's reactions, it sounds like it's not a big deal at all. Thanks for the feedback but I feel it's one-sided so far.

 

Yeah, pretty clear cover. Sorry, dude.

Smallish tattoos probably aren't a huge deal for guys if they aren't in highly public areas of the body. Girls: less so. As usual, girls need to be more circumspect.

At any rate, for anyone else thinking of getting a tattoo: Do you really want to be like this guy? Don't do it. Carpe dignatio.

 

Yep. That's exactly what I think, actually.

Dude, at this point you're flailing. You're just acting out until you latch onto something that you think will work.

I think at this point you should plump for "I didn't mean any of it, I was just joking, and you guys are stupid and have no sense of humor." Then we can all have a laugh and move on.

 

I've gotta tell you, I just read through this whole string and that's not the case.

Back to your topic - your tat will not hurt your career. Get it removed if you hate it, but don't get it removed for your job.

 

I will say that although there is only 1 female in my group, if she bent over and I saw a tramp stamp, I certainly would look at her askew. However, thats her, maybe it would be different if it was a different girl. Who knows

 

First, you had a lame tattoo. Then you had a "different" tattoo. Now you have no tattoo? What am I missing? Why did you waste your time making this post?

You're a tool.

 

Krakauer - you missed the point. The point is it's impossible to prove/disprove I have a tattoo, and if I do, what that tattoo looks like. The thread took a turn for the worse when someone assumed I was being completely honest, which would have been a rookie mistake. When thinking about how to describe my fake tattoo, I picked something funny but not too far fetched. People latched onto the idea that there is this analyst walking around NYC with the aforementioned tattoo and they think he's an idiot. I think its funny, yet it gets on my nerves.

I stopped caring about the whole situatoin, but for a while, was annoying. It reminds me of when I used to work at a restaurant in high school. Once, while working at the restaurant, I was carrying dishes to the kitchen. The floor was wet and I momentarily lost my balance. I dropped a glass and it broke. Someone rushed over and picked up the glass and said, "Don't worry, I've got it." I tried to pick it up since it was my fault, but the helper said, "No no, really, just relax. Calm down." I said, "Ya, but I am calm. I'm fine. It's no big deal." Moments later, everyone from the kitchen line looked over and one of the fat chefs called out, "Calm down man. It's no big deal. Just relax." Others chimed in. I was calm in the first place, but as everyone started telling me to calm down, I tried to explain to them that I was calm to being with. The more I explained that I was fine, the more they told me to calm down and the more I tried to explain.

The more people on this thread started to believe that I actually have a carpe diem tattoo, the more I felt like defending myself. At first, I didn't really care and told people I had a "MOM" tattoo on my ass to point out how ridiculous it would be to actually describe my tattoo on this board. People persisted, and it started to piss me off.

I'm fine now, though. You can all go around believing that I have the aforementioned tattoo. I hope I meet someone with such a tattoo during my time in NYC. I will point him out to you all and make sure everyone starts to believe he is F9.

 

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