So many dweebs in this industry.
I remember back when I was I kid, which wasn’t actually that long ago... I used to think everyone in high finance was like Harvey Spector or something. Found the idea of working in a place like Pearson Whatever extremely intimidating. But then I got to college, did an internship, worked as an analyst. And you know what? A good 80% of people in this industry are just complete and utter dweebs, Thank FUCK I kept in contact with uni/high school friends, I would kill myself if the only friends I had were these dorks. You know how fucking cringey it is watching guys try and act all boisterous when they don’t look or sound the part. Pathetic.
I’m fucking suffocating here. FUCK
It took you that long to realize high finance wasn't corporate law?
This. Best part about this post is the fact that the author seemingly failed to realize that Suits is a show about a law firm...
Tech is 100X worse.
It is?
Yes. I work at a FAANG tech firm, and the culture and people are beyond obnoxious.
Absolute truth.
tech sales isn't bad. my coworkers have social skills
That's because they're sales. Social skills are literally they're job.
You mean to tell me that TV makes things seem a lot more exciting than they really are?
People in high finance have the personalities of cardboard boxes. I often actively find myself having to suppress the interesting / engaging aspects of my personality in order to blend in. Finance is also the biggest groupspeak and groupthink environment I could have ever imagined. When your entire life has been set up as a template to get into finance, and all you do at your job is use templates, I guess it only makes sense that your personality is a template too..
Truth. Most of my friends have nothing to do with finance. Always awkward people with no outside interests.
One of the realest comments I've ever read. Damn
Truth Bomb! +sb
Wow that last sentence hits hard
Who still uses the word dweeb bro? I'll let you in on a little secret: you're probably a lame too. Anyone that watched Suits and thought "my gosh I'm going to become a banker and pull dimes just like Harvey Specter" is probably a lame. Sorry to break it to you.
Lmao. Not sure why the shit, but this is true...
Do people still use "lame" as a noun?
Yes
Best part is he's not even a fucking banker...
Too true
I think it's because finance types (those that have "lived the template") have been groomed and instilled with a sense of fear of authority from an early age. They idolize boss-man and do his/her bidding without question.
These threads always crack me up. Same thing every time. All the regulars who post thousands of times (or tens of thousands) on a message board designed for college kids come together to complain about how lame and boring everyone else is, implying how cool they are. No hint of irony.
*Yes, I know I'm now part of this group.
Why the ever-loving fuck did you think cranking out spreadsheets & powerpoints with a bunch of other 20somethings in an investment bank was going to be like "working with Harvey Spector" at a premier private law firm? That's the most confusing thing about your post.
It seems most people want to work in IB because they saw American Psycho once and actually fancy themselves as Patrick Bateman, not the other guys.
But I just got all my business cards in Eggshell white....
Impressive--I use Bone and the lettering is something called Silian Grail.
I can't watch that show, I don't even know what kind of law he does. Is he a corporate lawyer, does he do M&A, why did he work at the DA's office, criminal and M&A don't really cross over much.
We're a bunch of eccentric, interesting dweebs in my department. Honestly, if you want slick you can try sales. It can be sleazy some places, and you definitely eat what you kill, but it may be more up your alley.
If you want more "manly" than that, try construction. Good luck living the lifestyle I suspect you want working construction though.
Don't knock blue collar work. I know a few people who run construction companies and they're definitely doing better than you. I know others who started in construction and now do million-dollar flips and run inspection companies. It's what you make of it and where you take it.
God, that is so true. A buddy of mine went to ASU, partied his ass off and worked construction over the summer. Once he graduated, he got a job doing construction management where he did summer work at. He works like 50-60 hours a week and has been making six figures since he was 22 in a low cost of living area and makes well into the six figures now at age 28. We all picked the wrong career path here.
I put myself through college doing manual labor. (well, repairs in a skilled-ish trade field) I would say that as an employee in that field you would max out around 80k or so, maybe a bit more as a crew manager. My boss, who founded the company two years before I started definitely did well for himself, he had a $200k RV five or six years in. The company didn't last long though, within 10 years of founding it he died of a heart attack in his late 40s and the company imploded. Today, I'd guess that 20% of the people in my department make more than he did, and that company probably employed 30 people at it's maximum, with maybe one other breaking $100k/yr.
This dude would 100% be Louis Lit if his "Suits" dream was a reality.
Maybe Louis Litt’s old assistant, Norma.
Well, of course, the media will sensationalize any career or job. Just as the average hedge fund analyst isn't an Axe capital employee, the average hedge fund manager probably doesn't behave like Bobby Axelrod, and the average software engineer isn't some hoodie-wearing government/CIA hacker.
This drives me crazy. He's NOT an investment banker...
Every time I go back to watch these episodes they always go from being an investment bank to a hedge fund and it's so confusing
You sound like a whiny dweeb yourself, and you're clearly not a good fit within the culture at the firm you chose.
Should've gone somewhere else -- perhaps you would've been a better fit. If you think that 80% of your office sucks -- no matter what industry -- it probably isn't everyone else that's the problem. It's you.
what a surprise, an industry that appeals to academic gunners who often go to ivy league/prestigious schools and spend all their time studying and on sites like WSO are dweebs.
I feel the industry just attracts very insecure people in general. Generally, the more intelligent, high achieving, driven individuals have to convince themselves that they arn't adequate just to go that extra mile. This leads to people going through all kinds of measures to socially conform, & for many, lose every decent part of their "life", character, and personality. A highly competitive environment is so effective at exposing the dingiest, grimest aspects of people.
On top of that, I've seen some of the most fun, bubbly, enthusiastic people I know get broken down to the most selfish, pretentious, & cynical creatures to walk the face of this earth. All in the name of finance.
This is very case specific. I work in BB IBD and the environment is not even remotely cutthroat at my office. It's a stereotype that's perpetuated by folks who work at shops that have a cutthroat culture, it's wrong to assume all banks are like that.
couple of points: -general consensus is this generation has reduced social interaction/skills due to reliance on smartphones -look at the demographic that most banks pull from to fill seats - top schools with finance/quant related backgrounds...shocker -many career fields other than finance, except maybe sales, has similar personalities -use it to your advantage. develop relationships with the appropriate people and position yourself for advancement
I wanna point out as well that you should remember that in Suits, we catch up with Harvey when he's already a Senior Associate in a huge Corporate law firm. His circle includes a Junior associate, the Managing Partner... the stuff they're involved in is already gonna be far more interesting. You can't expect to be living that exciting lifestyle as an Analyst. If you wanna use Jonathan Sidwell as an example, since he's an Investment Banker, the same applies.
But the number one thing to remember fellow monkey... is that Suits is a TV SHOW. You could never imagine that it would be like that in real life. I got enchanted by the idea of IB from TV but before getting into it I researched how it is in real life to make sure I would still want to do it. I'm not there yet but I'm not disillusioned as to what to expect when I get there.
Back when you were a kid?
The monkey with glasses on the front page for this post looks like Alan Greenspan.
How are people going to complain about the way tech engineers dress when people in finance literally buy the exact same clothes as each other like they're high school girls? You thought young women all having the same Longchamp bag and Canada Goose coat was tacky? Try every 20-somethings finance guy wearing identical model and color Patagonia sweater vests... at least the girls got different colored bags and jackets.
Tech is full of bad dressers but finance may have the highest concentration of unoriginality out of any peer group in the world. Go to the same bars, get the same drinks, wear the same clothes, buy the same watches. What??
I personally make it a point to be as boring and non-interesting as possible to all the self-proclaimed cool kids or aspiring cool kids and am very careful with who i allow to enter my "non-strictly professional" circle. My usual answer to "What's going on / any plans for the weekend" is "not much / i am tired". I don't want to talk about my plans, at least not with you. And if i don't have any plans, i don't want to start pretending to have ones.
So the next time you think someone is boring, think again, there is a decent chance he thinks the same about you and just couldn't be bothered by your non-sense.
IBankers = assholes? (Originally Posted: 08/17/2008)
Hi,
I work in Banking, but not in IB and need some Ibankers to expalin me the "IBanker way of doing/thinking".
My best friend has joined a BB IB. He had explained me that it would be more difficult for him to have dinner, drinks, etc with his friends because he would have to be "availabe" for his job. Since he has been my best friend for years and supported me in bad moments I adapted to the situation and preferred sending him e-mails or messages on his cell phone rather than calling since it is difficult for him to discuss. We have not seen each other for months so I asked him if something was wrong, told him that I was worried about him, but he answered that everything was ok, would be verry happy to have lunch with me but did not have time to. So I believed him and hoped we would have time during his holidays. However he sent a message on my cell phone on saturday at midnight (!!!) to tell me "Sorry, your messages annoy me, I am fiancé now". Fortunately, I did not read that at midnight but what a shock on Sunday morning when I read that. What could there be in his mind at midnight to send me that? He is fiancé? I did not even know he had a girlfriend! I told him when I had boyfriends! If he were just a friend among others ok, but he has been my best friend for years, we were so close. How could he tell me "I would like to see you but I can not" when he wanted to get rid of me?
So the question is : does IBanking transform best friends into assholes? How? Work? Pressure?
Please explain, because I cannot understand.
They work 80-100 hr. weeks, if someone was constantly contacting me about going out to dinner when I hardly even have time to sleep I think I'd get pretty annoyed also.
Jesus fucking Christ, shut the fuck up. No wonder he doesn't want to talk to you, you're such a fucking drama queen.
before jumping to any conclusions, how close were you with this guy and how often did you contact him?
I agree... you sound like an insufferable pr*ck.
Plural, huh? Maybe he would be more receptive towards you if you weren't SUCH A FUCKING WHORE.
Seriously guys, way to be assholes to someone making an honest request. Sure, the title may be interpreted as a little presumptuous and offensive towards anyone in IB. On the other hand, no need to be so eager to answer her first question with a big fat yes.
Maybe his fiancee is one of those girls who doesn't like her man having lots of female friends. Otherwise, how often are you contacting him? If he's stressed, last thing on his mind probably is getting back to you.
looks like we gotta stage 5 clinger
Of course I didn't spend my time sending him messages. I just sent a message from time to time, I don't know, let's say every 3 weeks to have some news, because I knew he was very busy. Before that he used to call quite often to give some news.
Maybe you should give the guy some space for a while. You haven't done anything wrong from what you've said. Probably best to give it a long time (few months).
How do you know it's not his gf/fiance sending you the message? His girl could've been looking through his blackberry, found some of these messages from some girl about getting dinner and talking, etc, and just texted you to piss you off.
It probably wasn't him at all.
I went through something similar with my best friend; I did an internship at a BB, was totally consumed in it for the whole summer, didn't respond to his texts for days. It's over now and we hang out regularly now that I'm back in school but if your friend really did send the text, I see his side.
Sounds like he is adjusting to his new lifestyle. Get off his case and let him settle down, he will call you if he cares. If he doesn't then f*ck him.
It doesn't turn people into assholes, but when you only have so much free time you need to prioritize. If the guy has a fiancee, then odds are a girl who is a friend is not a priority. When this friend contacts him out of nowhere claiming that she's worried because he isn't paying attention to her, that friend because a nuisance. Sorry, but it's probably best if you move on.
Actually the simple fact that he sent a message me at midnight instead of calling me or telling me face to face shows that the friendship was over. A friend shows you a minimum of respect and a message at midnight does not show a lot of respect. I just regret trying keeping contact with someone I thought deserved it but did not. Erarre humanunm est! But thank you for the attempts to explain!
The Asian is strong in this thread
most toolish thing you've seen in banking (Originally Posted: 04/11/2011)
discuss
lunch breaks
i was gonna say you but then i realized you're not in banking
+1
true, i am in PE (megafund) right now but wanted to hear stories
Fuck off
When I see associates peer pressuring their analysts into agreeing that the useless book/analysis they just did was "good."
Useless associate (female): So yeah so I don't think the client is going to do anything yet for the next 5 years or so, but I think looking at those 100 peers and creating those 50 2-page profiles was really good analysis...don't you?
Analyst tool (wanted to shoot himself but instead...): ...yeah...I learned a lot...it's always interesting creating profiles...because you get to learn so much about the companies...
Blastoise. I choose you...
I choose you to f*** off from this site and stop trolling
The douchiest banker behavior you’ve ever witnessed (Originally Posted: 09/10/2012)
Either at work or off work OK. Anyone wants to share? I could easily come up with a couple of good off work ones that I doubt anybody else’s can top. Before I start, for your own good, I must make sure you have not just had something to eat.
Trying to take Jean to Barcadia instead of Dorsia.
JustSayNo
Analyst picking a fight with a random guy at the bar
Look, I put my bespoke Zegna mohair trousers on in the morning like everyone else, one leg at a time.
This certainly isn't the douchiest, but it is at least something postable. I took a few guys on my team out for early drinks in some dump in midtown. We're sitting in the back of the bar just chilling out drinking (heavily). We befriended the bartender who had a foreign name that sounded kind of like 'Tits', so, of course that was her name for the rest of the evening.
Anyway, Tits informs us of some party they are going to be throwing back there for some tv show and we'll need to go to the front of the bar. We tell her that's ridiculous and keep the tips flowing heavily. Heavily enough that she let's us stay back there for a little while during the party and she serves us free drinks.
Eventually, the manager comes over and tells us we need to go to the front of the bar. So, begrudgingly, we head to the front. Then, we start thinking about how much we have tipped in advance with the expectation of free drinks. So we decide that we'll mostly drink them up front, but get the free ones in back (logic had decreased significantly by now). During the first few trips to the back, there were no problems...Tits gave us free drinks and we were happy.
Now to the douchey part. The bar manager approaches us again and politely tells us not to go back and interrupt the party and get 'free drinks'. One of the (really drunk) Analysts on the team was struck with indignation and felt the need to do something about it. He basically gets in the bar manager's face and starts telling him how much money we spend there regularly (not true), that we're not coming back with this kind of treatment (probably true, but not by our choice), what kind of operation are you running here? etc. Then he gets right in the manager's face and calls him a dick and everybody else steps in to prevent him from taking a swing at the guy. Needless to say, our fun needed to be moved to the bar next door after that.
keep the good ones coming, bros. I need some entertainment before I tell my own. I still haven't seen the one who can top mine.
One of my friends fucked an Asian girl on my MDs desk a few weeks ago. It was on the weekend. Good stuff. Saw the pics.
Not technically bankers, but business / investment folks.
We were meeting with a couple of business partners from overseas... One of my colleagues made small talk with them about traveling and such and asked if they had flown in on the then new Airbus A380 (the one with showers in 1st class)... They looked at him with disdain and said... "sorry, we don't fly commercial".
good effort, I would rate this douchiness 8/10. still hoping for better.
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