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Good post, great study break.
Nice share. I generally agree with the video.
Couldn't find much in the video that I could agree with. Thanks for posting though.
Many reasons, but a few that stand out are:
The narrators attempting to posit a theory from a psuedo-evolutionary perspective through a focus of the era immediately proceeding The World Wars. "Your grandparents and great grandparents didn't just have sex for fun." "Women are the gatekeepers of sex." Something something.
Yeah they did, unless you choose to ignore the roaring 20s and decide to focus on a time period where people were shipped off to fight in two horrific wars, come back banged up and shell shocked looking for the simple life to take their minds off the atrocities committed on every side for good or bad reasons during The Wars. Grab a girl, go to the factory and throw up a white fence, call it a fucking day I worked too hard already.
I doubt women played hard to get in the cave man days. They didn't gatekeeper shit. Ooga Booga the caveman either clubbed them over the head and it was so or they clung on to Ooga Booga like white on rice because he could keep you from getting eaten alive by predators or starving to death.
Dark Ages? Arranged marriages, dowries, I don't think women were exactly gate keeping then. Your dad sold your cooch for a couple goats and a barrel of hay and in exchange the bride to be gave the in-laws on the other side of the deal grand kids to inherit his property and continue his legacy.
Time didn't begin in white america circa 1950. Basing your argument on the assumption that it did is lazy and self serving.
Video goes on about how the pill changed the dating scene forever and sex used to lead to marriage because you would inevitably have kids if you kept at it long enough. Which is cool, except condoms have existed for at least 600+ years.
"something something pesticides are wreaking havoc on society by killing bee population something something, oh yeah the same way the pill is wreaking havoc on society! lets just ignore the fact that condoms have been around since antiquity and provides the same result in a different way because it would make our argument look fucking retarded."
I don't really want to go much further into this because I just found their argument to be full of holes, based on logical fallacies and rooted in assumptions while trying to trick the viewer into thinking
"Men tend to behave as well or as poorly as the women in their lives allow them to" almost made me throw up.
didn't proof read this, don't care, yup
Human Mating Strategies 101
Let the deluge of monkey shit commence, as it has in the past, when I call a spade a spade and I call a slut a slut.
the only thing i enjoyed in this vid is the Sinatra song heh
Look you guys. It's quite simple:
A) If you're a pretty boy with a big dick, You will be able to savage every single girl on this planet.
B) If you don't look good, and/or have a small dick, you will need these sex theories bullshit to try to get laid.
Considering the fact that 80% of males aren't pretty boys, then I guess most of us will have to listen.
I wish the video would have stayed on economics instead of going into morals. I agree that the 'value' of sex has declined, but I don't agree the implication that this is a bad thing--for women or men.
Things I don't agree with: - Men behave "as well or as poorly" as it takes to get laid - Women have nothing to add to relationships other than sex - It's bad that women have to compete against other women for men - Pro-marriage propaganda
This brings up an interesting philosophical point in relation to the video. For a male individual marriage is not the optimal state from a sexual point of view, but for society as a whole the institution of marriage promotes stability. The current nature of the "mating market" (low market value of sex, and everyone looking to trade up ie hypergamy) is certainly anti-marriage
I am certain this video was conceptualized and produced by a woman… made to appeal to women.. I know this because they show women as the suffering party. But no attention is given to the fact that women control the “sex” … men just have to suck it up and be completely ok with it - even though men do most of the work in terms of wooing, dating, spending, and even during the act itself.. nope.. men having an equal say in sex.. f**k no.. and that is equality..
I am certain that if men were to be provided such vast sexual agency as women in their early adult years they would develop a very similar “been there done that” attitude by their late 20s and look to settle down ... but no one is really gonna admit that..
the double standard even applies if one party cheats on the other... if women cheat then the man is not keeping her happy, not good enough for her, she is embracing her womanhood... if the guy cheats he is a pig... period.. no wonder committing to any woman is a bad deal for men no matter how you slice it..
Nice share. People, it's just sex. I think we overanalyze this stuff too much.
The "women gatekeeping" theory is borderline worthless. Does anyone honestly believe that females are more selective than males? I think that's bullshit. It works both ways. Just because you're male doesn't mean you find every broad attractive, worth pursuing, or feel the need to reciprocate any interest.
If you've ever seen online dating statistics, you'd know that women are more selective than men. The numbers are actually pretty overwhelming.
And what do these statistics entail? Men reaching out first? That's a social expectation. The average male won't have as many requests as the average female, and therefore the female will be "more selective" by virtue of the fact that they're simply hit up more often.
Women just as easily cheat as men (it takes two to tango, but women won't as easily admit to it due to the social stigma). There have already been academic studies on this demonstrating the myth that men are somehow more promiscuous, have lower standards, or have higher sex drives than women. It simply appears that way in a society where men are expected to be the initiators, but that proves nothing in and of itself other than adherence to social norms.
@anonymousbro You're totally missing the point. I'm not arguing that men are just as sexually inhibited. They aren't. Women are more sexually inhibited than men primarily due to the threat of potential sexual violence and heavy cultural stigma from promiscuity. Men are also expected to do the approaching from a social standpoint, so initiation is naturally asymmetric as it is. However, the fears/pressures/complications that surround women are clearly far greater than the man's main disincentive of being shot down. Men and women have different social incentives, expectations, and pressures against them.
Women have been found to be as open to casual sex when social factors are controlled for. It is objectively false that women have lower sex drives than men, as nothing supports that opinion in the scientific literature. Biologists and sexologists have not found any evidence that men have higher libidos than women -- it's been tamed by myriad social factors that cause make women less likely to act on their sexual compulsions.
Here's another article if anyone is interested: http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/turns-out-women-have-r…
There is also asymmetry in how women use dating app/sites versus males. While most (male and female) will use hook-up centered apps for that exact purpose, more women use them with the hope of something beyond the superficial pleasure involved. I had a sociology professor who was doing a study on this. (She also studied sex for a living.)
@DickFuld I also don't agree that men would have sex with most of the women they see. Maybe you could test it through a basic anonymous survey, but I don't think you'd get a majority response, and especially not beyond a certain age category.
You state men would be less inhibited to have sex "if nobody knew." Well guess what? Women are a hell of a lot less inhibited too if they don't bear the risk of violence or being shamed for promiscuous behavior. That throws out the majority of their constraint. It goes both ways. Regardless, nobody is debating that men have less sexual inhibition -- but it's not biological. Women are, however, prized more for their beauty in a relationship relative to that of a man, and helps account for the reason why women are generally younger in a heterosexual pairing.
Gay men have more sexual partners than their straight counterparts, but it won't compensate for the disparity in what's reported in surveys. Gay men have higher counts due to better access and opportunity. They don't have the same issues, complications, and inhibitory factors that heterosexual couples have. They don't have to worry about pregnancy, lack of birth control, what week of the month it is, menstrual discomfort, being slut shamed, losing social reputation, etc. They also naturally don't bear anywhere near the same risk of sexual violence. You have to look at the social incentives at play, which are totally totally totally asymmetric. There are a multitude of factors which could disincentivize a male-female pairing that wouldn't necessarily apply to a male-male pairing. It's a complete apples-to-oranges comparison.
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So you say ignore societal factors, but you don't account for results of ignoring the most important one. Birth control is the only reason that women can even come close to matching male sex drives. Think about a man and woman having sex if we were still caveman. To the man, he couldn't give two shits as to whether she gets pregnant, he will still be wearing his tarzan outfit chasing woolly mammoth's regardless of what she does. She on the other hand, is basically going to guarantee her death if she doesn't find someone who will protect her while she is pregnant. You're saying that hesitation doesn't still linger within women?
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. What does birth control have to do with innate sex drive? Birth control has made casual sex far more palatable for women (i.e., they're freer to act upon their sexual compulsions than they were previously) though the incentives are still skewed against them.
Girls are poor and dumb and don't know what taxes are Boys are desperate and willing to work 100-hour weeks so they can tell girls they work at GS Girls will giggle Boys will pay for their TurboTax Ayn Rand and Simone de Beauvoir are rolling in their graves Steven Dubner arranges for a special on online dating Economics.
this is some red pill bullshit.
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