The hookp-up culture

Pretty funny piece from The Atlantic on the rampant pervasiveness of the hookup culture at schools (obviously old news) and how it actually empowers women. Some interesting anecdotes as well.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/…

 
IlliniProgrammer:
Brady, a mutual friend and I have been talking about your grad school obsession. It's unhealthy and it needs to stop.

Grad school sucks.

You have no money, no life (outside of homework), and perhaps most importantly, no air conditioning.

IP, not quite sure what to make of this post. The article I linked to was about the hookup culture in general, not grad schools specifically. I feel like you're responding to something that I did not bring up in this thread.

Your point about "no life" certainly does not apply to b-schools. Don't know where you got this misinformation from. I suppose it's true at MFin programs where you spend your time doing stochastic calculus with Chinese immigrants who take showers once a week.

 
Brady4MVP:
Your point about "no life" certainly does not apply to b-schools. Don't know where you got this misinformation from. I suppose it's true at MFin programs where you spend your time doing stochastic calculus with Chinese immigrants who take showers once a week.
Actually, said Chinese immigrants complain that I take showers twice a month and don't use deodorant, so I have no standing to complain.

Back to my rusty honda (with no AC either :( )

 
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IlliniProgrammer:
Brady, a mutual friend and I have been talking about your grad school obsession. It's unhealthy and it needs to stop.

Grad school sucks.

You have no money, no life (outside of homework), and perhaps most importantly, no air conditioning.

Brady's mental health aside, your assessment sounds to me like it might be pretty accurate for non-MBA grad school. People generally have plenty of money and plenty of life (and definitely plenty of air conditioning) in top MBA programs, which I think is what Brady's aiming for.

This article, on the other hand, is more focused on undergrads.

Since Brady posted it, we could probably intuit that he wants to slay undergrad pussy, but given the proliferation of college girl / barely legal pornography, we could hardly call someone crazy for spending all day thinking/working on how to do it. And if the motivation gets him into HBS, great. He'll be insufferable around here for six months and then he'll start classes and be way too busy to bother.

By the way, some of the greatest things in the world have actually been invented/discovered due to sexual frustration. For instance, we wouldn't have the Nash Equilibrium, VHS, or a free and open internet without guys like Brady.

 
Going Concern:
b-school is not "grad school"

a top MBA business schools ">M7 mba program is baller academy, where the immigrants, chinese or otherwise, don't have time to take any showers because they're so busy ballin

also i'm pretty sure booth has better air conditioning than fuqua and ross combined

That's absolutely right. Your typical research oriented Econ or Finance PhD program is more selective than all of the MBA business schools ">M7, the students are smarter, and the graduates typically earn more (albeit after a five year degree.)

Back to my rusty honda (sans air conditioning).

 
IlliniProgrammer:
Going Concern:
b-school is not "grad school"

a top MBA business schools ">M7 mba program is baller academy, where the immigrants, chinese or otherwise, don't have time to take any showers because they're so busy ballin

also i'm pretty sure booth has better air conditioning than fuqua and ross combined

That's absolutely right. Your typical research oriented Econ or Finance program is more selective than all of the MBA business schools ">M7, the students are smarter, and the graduates typically earn more (albeit after a five year degree.)

Back to my rusty honda (sans air conditioning).

Do you feel that going to Princeton has increased your douche quotient or just allowed you to release your inner douche that has been struggling to get out all of these years? This is a side of you I haven't seen before.
 

The hookup culture is essentially useful for defining the characteristics of whores who you don't marry. Call me 1950s but I want a good girl if I'm wifing her for fuck's sake...

My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.
 
Kenny Powers:
The hookup culture is essentially useful for defining the characteristics of whores who you don't marry. Call me 1950s but I want a good girl if I'm wifing her for fuck's sake...
This is an interesting thought - my friend and I have this conversation from time to time. I'd argue that the whole lock and key analogy ("What do you call a key that opens a lot of locks? A good key. What do you call a lock opened by many keys? A shitty lock.") is quite antiquated; her past is her past, as is yours - get over it.
 
DaCarez:
Kenny Powers:
The hookup culture is essentially useful for defining the characteristics of whores who you don't marry. Call me 1950s but I want a good girl if I'm wifing her for fuck's sake...
This is an interesting thought - my friend and I have this conversation from time to time. I'd argue that the whole lock and key analogy ("What do you call a key that opens a lot of locks? A good key. What do you call a lock opened by many keys? A shitty lock.") is quite antiquated; her past is her past, as is yours - get over it.
I'll remember that some random day when I walk into a restaurant, see you and your wife, and remember the night she gave me dome and I bricked on her face. Enjoy your salmon salad.
My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.
 

Young people want to have sex with lots of other people, since when is this news? If it gets to the point where people aren't maintaining any type of family and close long term ties, then civilization starts to break down. But given America is an immigrant society that replenishes its ranks with conservative new blood, there's no problem. Also, the vast majority of people settle down. So, I'm not sure why this is a bad thing. I'm personally in a VERY socially liberal phase but definitely want a family at some point: how in the hell would I expect to find someone that didn't taste the rainbow? How can you expect to call a marriage an equal pairing with someone that didn't??? If you're looking for a piece of property, you might just want to get a pet, but a relationship....well, welcome to the real world.

Brady, live life a little and then go to grad school. This is your life man, you don't get a do-over, find some meaning in your life. Seriously, do something not-work related for a while and allow yourself to find what you REALLY want instead of just chasing money, power, and sex. No one on their deathbead ever said "Gee, I really wish I'd made more money"....they ALL look back and think about family, love, experiences, and things that interested them. A few crazy ones worry about their legacy, and even then it's about a larger cause, and NEVER money. Trust me on this, most of my professional, non-political work has revolved around death and end of life planning, so I actually have seen a lot and I'm speaking from experience. GO OUT AND LIVE A LITTLE.

You can't take it with you.

Get busy living
 
UFOinsider:
...how in the hell would I expect to find someone that didn't taste the rainbow? How can you expect to call a marriage an equal pairing with someone that didn't??? If you're looking for a piece of property, you might just want to get a pet, but a relationship....well, welcome to the real world.
QFT (not that the rest of your post isn't, but highlighting this part)
 
UFOinsider:
Seriously, do something not-work related for a while and allow yourself to find what you REALLY want instead of just chasing money, power, and sex. No one on their deathbead ever said "Gee, I really wish I'd made more money"....they ALL look back and think about family, love, experiences, and things that interested them. A few crazy ones worry about their legacy, and even then it's about a larger cause, and NEVER money.

amen

 

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd it's official. You're trolling. I dont give a fuck who's met you and verified this is for real. I don't believe you anymore. I drew the line in the sand at you posting an article about some chick giving a snowman a blowjob, and you sir have just crossed that line.

GBS
 
GoldmanBallSachs:
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd it's official. You're trolling. I dont give a fuck who's met you and verified this is for real. I don't believe you anymore. I drew the line in the sand at you posting an article about some chick giving a snowman a blowjob, and you sir have just crossed that line.

Where's this thread?

[quote]The HBS guys have MAD SWAGGER. They frequently wear their class jackets to boston bars, strutting and acting like they own the joint. They just ooze success, confidence, swagger, basically attributes of alpha males.[/quote]
 
HarvardOrBust:
If a woman has more than one partner before marriage, te chances of a successful marriage go down from 80% to 60%.

Absolutely no confounding factors here or anything...

 
TNA:
Dog, roll to Philly and I will wing for you. Don't need grad school to meet women and have fun.

Thanks dogg. You're a good dude. It sucks that we were unable to meet up when you were in Chicago this summer.

Hopefully if i get into wharton we can party together in philly. I will invite you to all the sick wharton mba parties, and we can hook up with the penn undergrad/nursing/law/med chicks. Holy fuck, even thinking about it makes me drool.

Back to GMAT studying now and grinding.

 
Brady4MVP:
TNA:
Dog, roll to Philly and I will wing for you. Don't need grad school to meet women and have fun.

Thanks dogg. You're a good dude. It sucks that we were unable to meet up when you were in Chicago this summer.

Hopefully if i get into wharton we can party together in philly. I will invite you to all the sick wharton mba parties, and we can hook up with the penn undergrad/nursing/law/med chicks. Holy fuck, even thinking about it makes me drool.

Back to GMAT studying now and grinding.

Dude, you couldn't even hook up with Penn undergrads when you were an undergrad at Wharton. Do you honestly think that being an MBA student will change anything? You're in for a rude awakening.

 
JDawg:
After reading all these B-School posts, I've come to the conclusion that B-School is is a socially useless joke that needs to die. Undergrad is already enough of a joke. There's no reason that 24-30 year olds should need a $200k 2-year networking vacation in order to have access to high-profile jobs.
There's also no reason that a McMansion in Stockton should cost $500K, nor should Pets.com be worth $1 Billion.

Oh well, this is coming from the guy who bought the Clunkers.com IPO at $600M three weeks before hand, so what do I know.

 

Brady, so you didnt live "the dream" at college, so fucking what?

Whos dream is it anyway? You are probably smarter than 99% of ppl and have more money than 99% of people so why the fuck do you care about chasing someone elses dream?

Just let it go.

Fuck HBS. Fuck Prestige. Just make a fuckload of cash and fuck it what people think.

 
leveredarb:
Brady, so you didnt live "the dream" at college, so fucking what?

Whos dream is it anyway? You are probably smarter than 99% of ppl and have more money than 99% of people so why the fuck do you care about chasing someone elses dream?

Just let it go.

Fuck HBS. Fuck Prestige. Just make a fuckload of cash and fuck it what people think.

  1. I care about prestige more than money.
  2. There are certain transformational experiences that money cannot buy (a good family is one of them); attending a top b-school and being around fascinating accomplished people is another.
 
Brady4MVP:
I care about prestige more than money.
That is so fucked up, I barely know what to say . This means you are more concerened about perception than reality. What exactly is prestige anyway?

You are the troll of the millennium or need psychotherapy and heavy medication.

 
Brady4MVP:
leveredarb:
Brady, so you didnt live "the dream" at college, so fucking what?

Whos dream is it anyway? You are probably smarter than 99% of ppl and have more money than 99% of people so why the fuck do you care about chasing someone elses dream?

Just let it go.

Fuck HBS. Fuck Prestige. Just make a fuckload of cash and fuck it what people think.

  1. I care about prestige more than money.
  2. There are certain transformational experiences that money cannot buy (a good family is one of them); attending a top b-school and being around fascinating accomplished people is another.

I am surprised about #1, as pretty much every trader I have every met has always been money>>>>>prestige. Getting off topic, but recall from one of your earlier posts, that you worked on the pitts after college. Why didn't you start of an i-bank? It seems to me, that you were one of those people who in undergrad thought about getting into HBS right after undergrad or after a few years of work experience. I find it surprising that you didn't do the cookie cutter (2 years Goldman TMT, 2 years Blackstone) plan.

Also from the stories that I have read about the pitts, you should have gotten plenty of action from there.

 
Brady4MVP:
Going Concern:
Brady4MVP:
First of all, my primary reason for wanting to attend is professional.

If that's the case, then great, but that is in contrast to what a large number of your posts appear to indicate. There is a disconnect here.

Brady4MVP:
Second, the experience of spending 2 years-without having to work-with very smart accomplished people is something I really want to have.

I think I'm starting to understand now. My question is, why so much focus on Harvard? Are you not going to get two years off and spend it with smart and accomplished people at say Yale or Duke or Dartmouth or any number of other very good schools?

I'm applying to a number of schools. I don't have my list narrowed down yet since i'm retaking the GMAT in october and then go from there.

Ok, fair. I hope that you apply to a range of schools and don't put all your eggs into any one basket. I'm sure you will get into something good if your motives are in fact genuine and not just about slaying chicks or whatever. Best of luck to you.

 

I still think you may be disappointed with the ppl at b-school, the majority will just be a bunch of type a ex banking/consulting dbags that are neither particularly smart nor particularly fun to hang around, and the curriculum will be an intellectual insult. So you will spent 2 years travelling / partying with semi lame ppl and you wont even get much intellectual stimulation out of it.

(as a disclaimer I only know one guy from HBS but this is just the stereotype I get from people from various other m-7 and top undergrad b schools)

 
leveredarb:
I still think you may be disappointed with the ppl at b-school, the majority will just be a bunch of type a ex banking/consulting dbags that are neither particularly smart nor particularly fun to hang around, and the curriculum will be an intellectual insult. So you will spent 2 years travelling / partying with semi lame ppl and you wont even get much intellectual stimulation out of it.

(as a disclaimer I only know one guy from HBS but this is just the stereotype I get from people from various other m-7 and top undergrad b schools)

Intersting that you say this because I actually talked to my best friend, who just finished his first year at a MBA business schools ">M7, and he echoed similar thoughts. He believes that although professionally a top b-school will indeed be transformational and put my life on a fundamentally different trajectory, he thinks i will be sorely disappointed with the social scene and type of people. Ultimately no one knows. I have to find out for myself if I get in. My gut instinct is that I will have a great time, but perhaps that's because my time in college and chicago were HUGE letdowns socially.

 

What makes you think it's going to be 'transformational and put your life on a fundamentally different trajectory'? Going from hedge fund to b-school isn't exactly an unexpected move... Moving to Brazil to become a rancher is the kind of stuff that would be transformational and put your life on a fundamentally different trajectory.

There's nothing wrong with HBS; it certainly can help your career. And you'll probably have fun there. But you can have fun anywhere else too!

 
Schumpeter:
What makes you think it's going to be 'transformational and put your life on a fundamentally different trajectory'? Going from hedge fund to b-school isn't exactly an unexpected move... Moving to Brazil to become a rancher is the kind of stuff that would be transformational and put your life on a fundamentally different trajectory.

There's nothing wrong with HBS; it certainly can help your career. And you'll probably have fun there. But you can have fun anywhere else too!

Without getting too specific, I did trading for a while, mostly in equities. But now i'm looking to transition into something totally different within the finance space. In terms of what i want to do and where i see myslef 10-20 years down the road, an MBA (or perhaps a joint degree with public policy) is pretty critical.

There are certain b-schools where I don't think I would enjoy it that much due to the culture, student body, and location.

 

partly because wso college kids are retarded (I mean fuck theres people on this site still vehemently denying that women prefer men with higher status/more monies all things equal) , but its not the fact that they do the MBA at penn that makes them hot shit, its just that they are slightly older and less retarded than their undergrad equivs and women prefer slightly older men (all things equal).

 
leveredarb:
partly because wso college kids are retarded (I mean fuck theres people on this site still vehemently denying that women prefer men with higher status/more monies all things equal) , but its not the fact that they do the MBA at penn that makes them hot shit, its just that they are slightly older and less retarded than their undergrad equivs and women prefer slightly older men (all things equal).

This is a good point. I have always dated at least 3-4 years older than myself; I know many women who do the same. When I was in undergrad, I personally felt that undergrad males were pointless.

There have to be some exceptions out there, but generally you go out to dinner with them and there's no conversation. They're either shoveling food into their mouths like it's the dining hall, or they're sweating and eyeing your boobs like, "Only forty-five more minutes before I'm on top of this chick pumping away. Okay, now forty-four minutes. Oh god, hold it, hold it. Steady on. Think of baseball."

Don't take this personally, guys. I'm sure you (yes, you!) were the exception in your college days. But this was my experience.

 
bankerella:
leveredarb:
partly because wso college kids are retarded (I mean fuck theres people on this site still vehemently denying that women prefer men with higher status/more monies all things equal) , but its not the fact that they do the MBA at penn that makes them hot shit, its just that they are slightly older and less retarded than their undergrad equivs and women prefer slightly older men (all things equal).

This is a good point. I have always dated at least 3-4 years older than myself; I know many women who do the same. When I was in undergrad, I personally felt that undergrad males were pointless.

There have to be some exceptions out there, but generally you go out to dinner with them and there's no conversation. They're either shoveling food into their mouths like it's the dining hall, or they're sweating and eyeing your boobs like, "Only forty-five more minutes before I'm on top of this chick pumping away. Okay, now forty-four minutes. Oh god, hold it, hold it. Steady on. Think of baseball."

Don't take this personally, guys. I'm sure you (yes, you!) were the exception in your college days. But this was my experience.

Meh I'm more of an ass man but thanks for the consideration

My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.
 
bankerella:
leveredarb:
partly because wso college kids are retarded (I mean fuck theres people on this site still vehemently denying that women prefer men with higher status/more monies all things equal) , but its not the fact that they do the MBA at penn that makes them hot shit, its just that they are slightly older and less retarded than their undergrad equivs and women prefer slightly older men (all things equal).

This is a good point. I have always dated at least 3-4 years older than myself; I know many women who do the same. When I was in undergrad, I personally felt that undergrad males were pointless.

There have to be some exceptions out there, but generally you go out to dinner with them and there's no conversation. They're either shoveling food into their mouths like it's the dining hall, or they're sweating and eyeing your boobs like, "Only forty-five more minutes before I'm on top of this chick pumping away. Okay, now forty-four minutes. Oh god, hold it, hold it. Steady on. Think of baseball."

Don't take this personally, guys. I'm sure you (yes, you!) were the exception in your college days. But this was my experience.

Yeah, if i were a woman, i definitely would feel the same way. Guys just mature a lot later than women; that's a fact. To make matters worse, most college guys are immature beer guzzling frat boys. Heck, here in Chicago, I am surrounded by guys in their late 20's and 30's who are still trying to relive college. Lol.

 

to be fair bankeralla may be a slightly extreme example, finance chicks are a bit extreme in this respect. Then again I may have a biased sample, all the ones I know in IB started sleeping with associates/vps within the first 3 months on the job (most of them had bfs at the time as well).

 
Relinquis:
The hook up culture is strong long after university ... it gets pretty interesting to see people adjust to their 30s when they're no longer the prettiest, youngest things around.

It seems as if capitalism + the female liberation movement have left many without a model for satisfying long term (i.e. multi year) relationships between men and women.

think its mainly due to a breakdown of religion, gender wars are back, the truce is dead.
 

only people cannot find hook-up an ease like to talk about hook-up. we hustlers are indifferent to even mention it. we talk about soul mate.

--Money can't buy happiness. it can only buy orgasms. --Who the hell says I want happiness? Orgasms all I need.
 
Misspartiesalot:
only people cannot find hook-up an ease like to talk about hook-up. we hustlers are indifferent to even mention it. we talk about soul mate.
I think I got an aneurism from reading this
If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 
Misspartiesalot:
only people cannot find hook-up an ease like to talk about hook-up. we hustlers are indifferent to even mention it. we talk about soul mate.

Those of us who finished the soul mate quest years ago go back to talking about hooking up, regardless of whether we personally can hook up. We are indifferent to all the energy and focus people waste on finding "the one".

Hearing other people talk about finding love and committed relationships becomes boring as hell. It's kinda like being a third year at a bulge bracket and constantly hearing people obsess about whether or not they'll get an internship. Yawn.

Sex, on the other hand, is never not fun to think/talk about.

 
bankerella:
Misspartiesalot:
only people cannot find hook-up an ease like to talk about hook-up. we hustlers are indifferent to even mention it. we talk about soul mate.

Those of us who finished the soul mate quest years ago go back to talking about hooking up, regardless of whether we personally can hook up. We are indifferent to all the energy and focus people waste on finding "the one".

Hearing other people talk about finding love and committed relationships becomes boring as hell. It's kinda like being a third year at a bulge bracket and constantly hearing people obsess about whether or not they'll get an internship. Yawn.

Sex, on the other hand, is never not fun to think/talk about.

+1. Yeah, yeah, didn't finish reading but thanks for the 1 minute attention from the queen bee. so when you say we, should I take you alone as a HE or SHE, mentality wise? a little confused. I'm speaking for the female part only.

--Money can't buy happiness. it can only buy orgasms. --Who the hell says I want happiness? Orgasms all I need.
 

For you "hook up" culture girls (and guys). Do you see a role for multi-year relationships with the same person monogamous or otherwise?

How much do you think capitalism has shaped how you relate to the opposite (or same if applicable) sex? Do you see it contributing to a transactional / consumption attitude to non-platonic relationships rather than making a lasting connection with someone or having long term bonds / companionship?

 

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