This is Why I Stopped Dating Feminists
Jesus Christ...
http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/20/playhaven-developer-fired-for-making-…
while those developers' choice of words were certainly inappropriate, gross, and downright immature for their age, this woman's bullying doesn't even compare to their 5th-grade sense of humor.
i hate people like this -- there are more important and noble causes to use your time and social reach to fight for. what a bitch.
you know, i used to be attracted to some feminists in college because I liked women who were independent, mature, and spoke their minds without playing games, but then i realized there are women out there who can have those traits without being total psycho control freaks!!!
(p.s. BEFORE anyone mentions it, I understand my profile picture probably doesn't help my argument but for you feminists out there, it's only a picture of a woman enjoying a fresh delicious banana. I simply don't see it in anymore in sexual terms than the same woman biting an apple and smiling because it's delicious so if any of you feminists out there blasts me for being a misogynistic jerk, you should examine your sexual orientation as you would be the one sexualizing her, not me :=) )
My problem is more with Playhaven for firing this guy for doing nothing wrong.
Apparently she got fired by her company after one of the guys she outed got fired from his...
I think that's poetic justice personally...
Lesson #1 - don't be a douche in public. Had a dude taken the picture and the heckling was offensive in another way, it's pretty likely the outcome would have been the same. Bad things happen to stupid people.
Lesson #2
He(she) who lives by the sword shall perish by it.Anyone can snap a clip or post to youtube and I think people take that with freedom comes responsibility. Was the guy being a douche? Yeah. Do I condone what they did? No. Did he deserve to be fired? I'm thinking probably not. If the penalty for being juvenile is termination, holy shit, 99% of the human race would be homeless. A stern 1st warning would have done. That people would play god with technology and abuse their influence speaks to principle when it comes back to bite them. And by the way, men aren't the only ones who do inappropriate things, despite what the shape of the public debate is these days: this chick was out of line pulling a stunt like that. If you disagree, imagine it was the woman who was making jokes about alimony or 'keepin the nigga' and was fired for that. A bit much.....right?
I'm not sure why this is percieved as a feminsim/sexism thing, it's more of a people acting badly thing, somewhere between the Jerry Springer show, Jackass, and Punk'd.
To me it is simply a case of two groups of people acting like children. The guys according to the rules of the conference should not have been making inappropriate jokes or (if you believe his thin excuse of misunderstanding) jokes that could be interpreted as sexual. Richard did not handle the situation as an adult and hid behind feminism and a lack of respect for women as her reasoning. Her reasoning, in my opinion, is even worse excuse for her actions than the man's. Two random guys at a Python conference making jokes at a Python conference is not holding women back in the Technology industry, however, justifying every childish reaction in the name of feminism is holding women back.
However, pulling childish stunts for (insert cause here) is not limited simply to feminists. I come across instances of this all the time and it is particularly disheartening when I find it in a cause with which I am aligned. specifically, the semi-recent interviews Piers Morgan did with Alex Jones. The inability to interact in a mature way with people who do not share your personal views or may "offend" you does not lend credibility to your cause or mission. Alex Jones should have a mature conversation with Piers Morgan if he wants to further the pro-gun cause. Richards, if she truly wanted to help women succeed in the technology industry and workforce as a whole, should have acted like an adult in the face of two childish men and evidenced that women are professionals and capable of handling any situation in the best possible manner (Read: As a manager or executive would/should). Instead, she did her part to reinforce certain prejudices against women.
/End rant. Apologies.
Here is a link to part of the Alex Jones interview for those who haven't seen it :
West Coast -- I also find it disconcerting a person can now decide when he or she is offended. Specifically, it was OK for Richards to interject an obvious penis joke in to someone else's conversation via Twitter, but two random guys sitting behind her at a conference making the same type of jokes in her vicinity is terribly wrong. The only consistency I see in her actions is that she feels as though she can interject herself in to any social situation she sees fit and expects it to conform to her liking.
Rufio -- Awesome insights as usual
But the damage is already done, my friends. Real justice would be that guy getting his job back and help support his family in these economic times and with her publicly apologizing. Of course if it wasn't for this feminist psychopath none of this wouldve happened.
Yeah, that's a good point. I think a public apology and the guy getting his job back should be the correct scenario. It's unfortunate that this whole thing unfolded the way it did. Even more unfortunate, is the fact that any response to this that diverges from supporting the woman who took the pictures is typically viewed as sexist in our current society, but to be perfectly honest, only a chick would take a picture of a guy to put him on blast like that.
Even an extremely conservative middle aged guy with a family who was offended by their joking would have just turned around and been like "Hey guys, the jokes are inappropriate, can you cool it with the innuendo" and from that point if the guys continued, then it would be on them. It's vindictive and cowardly to do what she did, so it's totally understandable that there is an uproar. This is the type of behavior that women need to avoid in order to be taken seriously in any industry. I am pretty sure that most reasonable guys who have professional jobs would immediately stop with the jokes and even apologize if she had simply said "hey that's inappropriate." But realistically, I think her going out of her way to blast these guys on twitter is totally pathetic.
The jokes weren't even that bad... If your industry actually has terms that can make for some good-natured innuendo then more power to you. I mean, they have a thing that's actually named a "dongle." People shouldn't have to be afraid that some person who is too meek to be an adult and let someone know that something is bothering them is going to turn around and out them publicly. It's just sad, and I agree with the women in the tech industry who have voiced that they are not in support of her behavior. They have said that this type of thing makes it tougher for them to be taken seriously, and I completely agree. By the way, she's a bit of a hypocrite because she has made inappropriate jokes publicly via her blog, which has a much wider audience than the bros to your left and right.
Rufio retired?
That 401k must have had one hell of a 2 years.
Hit it and quit it bro... I didn't want to get married to the game because it never loved me back.
My favorite part is the hypocrisy of it all (her having publicly made a sexual innuendo joke a few days prior to the incident). Tired of the PC bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/bcNGYRKBfHA
Most important word in the article - "allegedly". What a world we live in...
I read that she got fired, but, man-oh-man! Assuming the information is true (hackers are attacking them), it is quite possible SendGrid has left itself wide open for a counter suit. They announced it on their Facebook page and it is clearly related to her spat with the Playhaven programmer. I do not want to be their General Counsel right now (unless they have the most ironclad "at-will" employment agreement ever).
When did people suddenly decide it's their right not to be offended? Unless we are dealing with actual, demonstrable slander/libel/obscenity, there really shouldn't be repercussions for things said between adults.
She was not part of the conversation, nor it's topic. She overheard something, and inserted herself. And she didn't even confront them directly. There are so many things wrong with her actions.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this woman wasn't raised that way. Her mom probably would call the principle/other kids parents and expect heads to roll.
both feminists on my facebook have deleted me after i started challenging their posts with something irritating called evidence. Hilarious and contemptible. I wouldnt date a modern feminist for anything other than a 1 night stand, for the sole reason that they are so detached from reality, logic and the scientific method we would just not get on at all.
Guy said sexist stuff and got canned. Is it dumb? Yes, but it happens. This is what happens when you have a small, but vocal group of people with too much power. Same reason why we have hate crimes, affirmative action and bullshit like the Violence Against Women Act.
Whoa what?
"The Act provides $1.6 billion toward investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against women, imposes automatic and mandatory restitution on those convicted, and allows civil redress in cases prosecutors chose to leave unprosecuted. The Act also establishes the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice"
So you are telling me that cops don't investigate assault, murder, rape? I didn't know we needed special funding and special punishments just for women. Bullshit law.
Post the stats. Either way I still don't support this. Have the DOJ investigate police departments that don't follow the law. I do not support special punishments for CERTAIN people.
This is nothing but gender/race based politicking. Furthermore, this will force prosecutes to take abuse cases where the evidence is weak if only out of fear of retribution related to this act.
I'd like to see some stats....post them.
These are the easy stats, a lot of others get parsed out too subjectively, but you see my point.
This is in America, not some shitty 3rd world cesspool, and I was shocked when I first looked at the actual numbers back when I was a psych major. This in all income brackets, ethinicities, and geographies to varying extents and is far more pervasive than the public debate would have you believe. I'm not taking sides either, it's not like every woman on the face of the earth is an angel LOL. I'm no feminist, nor do I care about the technicalities of the law, I'm just a guy who think everyone should get a fair shake. What they do with that opportunity is up to them but I'd like to think we could do better. I know we can.
$1.6BB is chump change for the government, and it's sad that it only succeeds in temporarily buying off the loudest lobby instead of the wider cultural upgrades happening faster. It's not like the hardcore femnazis are ever going to be happy anyway, they're extremists, such people aren't reasonable. If the definition of manhood is changing, I'd suggest directing machismo into a new goal: defending women from abuse. Be a REAL man, protect the ladies.
I don't want to live in a world where I can't make a penis joke in private. This shit is fucked up on so many levels beyond feminism. This gets into thought control and having to be ever vigilant of anyone being offended or else having to face a public flogging of your personal reputation.
This is pretty disturbing. Shit, I laughed a little when I read the word 'dongle'. It's funny....lighten up people. What these guys did is nowhere near offensive or sexist. How is making a dick joke sexist?
I get the idea that it would have been preferable for her to turnaround and say 'hey guys, that's offensive.'. But you know what would have been preferable to that? Laughing at an obvious joke.
Has rape not been illegal since the founding of this country? This law was passed in 1994, were woman (or anyone for that matter) allowed to be beaten at will before that?
It is ridiculous that a law has to be passed to restate rights that everyone already has.
The other thing the law does is provide funding for several rape/domestic violence programs. Any programs like these should be funded on the state/local level. Do you need a federal law for local police to investigate murder or violence crime, how about DUI?No? Rape and domestic violence AGAINST ANY PERSON is just like any other crime and police should not need a special federal mandate.
Listen, those stats are worthless. Are these rapes not prosecuted because men are assholes or because the evidence is weak? Is female abuse not investigated or do women not pursue it because they are afraid?
Those stats show that women are sexually and physically assaulted. They do not show that there is systemic avoidance and ignoring of prosecution. Either way, I don't think physical assault on a woman is different than on a man.
I suppose because I support true equality I am in the wrong. Government should have nothing to do with bias crime like this. Murder is murder, assault is assault.
You are misinterpreting me. I am for the law being enforced. Yes, I would imagine the majority of rapes are from women. We have laws against rape. The nature of the crime makes it hard to prosecute, but that doesn't mean there is systemic prejudice going on.
We have laws. Police enforce them. Lawyers prosecute them. We don't need a token law which does nothing and is nothing but a gender bias. Assault on a man is just as bad as a woman. Just like murder is color blind.
I do not support special privileges for some and not all.
What conflict of interest? The idea that you are suggesting that a man would not persecute a case because the victim is a woman is completely unfounded.....and using your faulty logic why doesn't your world extend to murder or any other crime?----guess we need a few more government sponsored bills. The argument is that we have this special bill creating new government funding and new mandates on things that should be and are covered on the state/local level..do you know of a state in the US where rape is legal?
ANT point isn't that nothing should be done because it is not "worthy", it is that nothing should be done because the laws against rape, murder, assault already apply to EVERYONE regardless of sex, race, religion, or creed. There isn't some special exemption to rape just because she is a albino-femonazi or a hot southern blonde. The sun will rise tomorrow and I know that I have a right not to be raped...and a government bill is not responsible for either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_States oh snap.
So would you all date Jessica Alba pre-marriage if she was a feminist?
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