This #metoo movement is an abomination to human intelligence and needs to stop. Immediately.

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I find it rather amusing that most people actually believe allegations from years (some DECADES) prior.
Try reporting a crime that occured 15 years ago to the police today. Whether it's extortion, theft, or if your significant other hit you on the head with a jar of Nutella (battery/assault), it doesn't matter. You'll be laughed out of the room in no time. So why is it different for sexual assault?

It shouldn't be. But here's why it is - because the media and feminist overrun society of 2018 treat these alleged "monsters" as guilty before proven innocent. I cannot think of another instance where, for some unknown reason, it's ok for the general public to arbitrarily act as the default jury in a nonexistent trial.

This is absoultely unacceptable.

Look at what happened to Steve Wynn today, his alma mater (Wharton) revoked ALL his honorary degrees, as well as his name from one of their buildings. How does the fact that a man "asked a woman [a manicurist] for sex in his office" make him suddently not worthy of the degrees he earned / nullify his monetary donations? Oh and, this all happened before the iPhone was invented.

Reiterating above, why the aversion of people who are accused of sexual misconduct? It's as if people, schools, companies want nothing to do with these men. You cannot deny that these allegations (EVEN IF TRUE) does not interfere with effective management skills, stock picking ability, etc etc.

There are plenty of fat and/or unattractive women who (secretly) WISH a billionaire would ask them for sex. Wouldn't be surprised if these sleazy accusers actually feel loved/wanted on the inside, but are too afraid to admit it. Or, as in some (probably most) cases, act complicit to "use" the men in advancing their own careers, only to betray them in front of the country decades later.

Again, it's alarming to me how many of us believe these allegations. Hopefully the belief isn't genuine, or else Western society as a whole will face some harsh repercussions in the coming decades/centur(y)(ies). Because whenver we deviate too far from the long-term mean (politically, economically, socially, etc etc), the inverse can come back with great vengeance.

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Feb 1, 2018

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Feb 1, 2018

If you're trying to make an argument it is stronger if you don't deliberately mislead those you're trying to convince. I actually agree with much of what you're saying. However, a simple google search will show you that Steve Wynn is a piece of shit who has no business being on the side of a building.
"According to the Journal's report, in 2005, Wynn paid a $7.5 million settlement to a manicurist who worked at the Wynn-Las Vegas casino, who had told several people at the time that he forced her to have sex with him. She told a colleague immediately after the incident, and repeated to others later, that after she gave Wynn a manicure, he told her to strip naked and lie down on a massage table in his office suite. She said she didn't want to have sex and was married, but he demanded she submit, which she eventually did. The Journal also reported that the woman filed a detailed report with the casino's HR department. Dozens of other Wynn employees interviewed by the Journal said he had sexually harassed them over a period of 10 years, including pressuring one former massage therapist at the Wynn Las Vegas spa several years ago to massage his penis to climax. Wynn suffers from a degenerative eye disease and became legally blind in 2010."

This is not "asking a manicurist for sex". This is abusing your power to assault someone.

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Feb 2, 2018

Yeah, agree, Wynn crossed the line to an extent that it's fitting to strip him of all validation.

Feb 2, 2018

Fair enough. But look at the language here--"'he forced her to have sex with him" is basically an allegation of rape. But pressuring someone is distinctly different from rape. Husbands "pressure" wives for sex pretty routinely.

I'm actually a supporter of the #metoo movement to a large degree (let's be honest--places like Hollywood were, are, and will probably continue to be out of control), but I'm concerned that language is being used to conflate sexual assault with sexual harassment, which are night-and-day different from one another. Rapists deserve to be hanged or castrated; sexual harassers deserve a stern talking to. Some in the movement--the Ansari accuser, for example--are completely abusing the language surrounding assault and rape, conflating rape with regret, words with assault.

Feb 2, 2018
Troll - Aged 18 Years:

Fair enough. But look at the language here--"'he forced her to have sex with him" is basically an allegation of rape. But pressuring someone is distinctly different from rape. Husbands "pressure" wives for sex pretty routinely.

I'm not a huge fan of the #metoo movement either but holy shit this is a bad take.

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Feb 2, 2018
Ricky Sargulesh:

I'm not a huge fan of the #metoo movement either but holy shit this is a bad take.

How so? Words are not violence. Women are not infantile--unless they are being physically over powered, they are not being raped. Some in the #metoo movement are "infantalizing" women where they represent them as children being forced into sex by the WORDS of "authority" figures--their dates, co-workers, bosses, friends, etc. Women aren't children.

Feb 2, 2018

I actually agree with the majority of what you're saying, but you should really consider forming your own arguments. It seems you've been consuming a lot of Ben Shapiro and are pretty apt at regurgitating him line for line.

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Feb 2, 2018

Eh, don't even bother pointing this out to him...waste of time. Once you've committed to making your political party such an integral part of your personality its probably too late... I knew a few kids like this in college, they never got invited to parties and never went far in their careers afterwards... can you imagine somebody like this in a board room?

Wynn = RNC finance chair, so its no surprise a WSO thread about #metoo quickly devolved into the usual suspects defeding him regardless of what their actual morals or opinions could have been....

Feb 2, 2018
Ricky Sargulesh:

Eh, don't even bother pointing this out to him...waste of time. Once you've committed to making your political party such an integral part of your personality its probably too late... I knew a few kids like this in college, they never got invited to parties and never went far in their careers afterwards... can you imagine somebody like this in a board room?

Wynn = RNC finance chair, so its no surprise a WSO thread about #metoo quickly devolved into the usual suspects defeding him regardless of what their actual morals or opinions could have been....

1) I'm not defending Steve Wynn; 2) I support the #metoo movement; 3) my point is about the language that is being used to conflate sexual assault with sexual harassment, two wildly different things; 4) Ansari is a liberal Democrat who I literally just defended; 5) when you can't break the arguments, you personally attack

Feb 2, 2018

"3) my point is about the language that is being used to conflate sexual assault with sexual harassment, two wildly different things"

+SB Total agreement with this.

Monkey see. Monkey Doo [Doo].

Feb 2, 2018
Global_IU_11:

I actually agree with the majority of what you're saying, but you should really consider forming your own arguments. It seems you've been consuming a lot of Ben Shapiro and are pretty apt at regurgitating him line for line.

Huh? These are actually my own thoughts.

What's bizarre about your comment is that every time I've "stolen" one of Shapiro's ideas, I've given credit to where my thoughts are coming from (there are a dozen occasions that you can look up on WSO where I specifically give credit to Shapiro). I'm one of the few people--on Earth--who would actually give credit on an anonymous board to someone else for their ideas. Of all the things I've been (sometimes rightly) maligned for, stealing people's ideas without giving credit is not one of them.

Honestly, what a ridiculous comment.

Feb 2, 2018

I don't think it was very unfair, and I honestly didn't mean it to be a very inflammatory statement. I just noticed the past few days that your arguments/verbiage directly mirror that of Ben Shapiro. I listen to his podcast/speeches on a semi-regular basis and certain things stand out very clearly. A quick couple of examples -
1. Your Aziz argument is exactly the same as Ben's a few weeks ago. You repeat a line he's used 1,000 times regarding the only recourse for rape is being "hanged or castrating."
2. The SOTU thread the other day which turned into an institutional racism debate. You closed your/ben's argument out by roughly saying "show me an example of laws which are inherently racist and I'll stand beside you and fight them." This is 100% a Shapiro quote and I could provide no less than 10 examples of him saying an approximate version of that in podcasts or college speeches.
Regardless, I enjoy listening to Shapiro and agree with him/you on a fair amount of topics. He's obviously a logical thinker and a conservative thought leader. I just think it's a bad look to completely regurgitate someone's talking points down to the actual punchlines... that's all.

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Feb 2, 2018
Global_IU_11:

I don't think it was very unfair, and I honestly didn't mean it to be a very inflammatory statement. I just noticed the past few days that your arguments/verbiage directly mirror that of Ben Shapiro. I listen to his podcast/speeches on a semi-regular basis and certain things stand out very clearly. A quick couple of examples -
1. Your Aziz argument is exactly the same as Ben's a few weeks ago. You repeat a line he's used 1,000 times regarding the only recourse for rape is being "hanged or castrating."

You're 1,000% wrong. For one, Shapiro's line is "castrated or killed." Secondly, Shapiro didn't originate this idea, you close-minded jackass. I've said this exact thing for 10 years. You think Shapiro originated the idea that rapists should be executed or castrated? Jesus fucking Christ. Get out of your bubble.

And what's my Aziz argument? EVERYBODY has defended Aziz, on the left and right. Go ahead and re-state the argument I put forth and I'll show you 3 people who made the same argument.

Global_IU_11:

2. The SOTU thread the other day which turned into an institutional racism debate. You closed your/ben's argument out by roughly saying "show me an example of laws which are inherently racist and I'll stand beside you and fight them." This is 100% a Shapiro quote and I could provide no less than 10 examples of him saying an approximate version of that in podcasts or college speeches.

Yes, that's a Shapiro line. Again, I've given him credit dozens of times for ideas and thoughts that I've stolen from him. I feel like an author who is being accused of plagiarism when actually giving credit to other people. It's kind of breathtaking.

Global_IU_11:

Regardless, I enjoy listening to Shapiro and agree with him/you on a fair amount of topics. He's obviously a logical thinker and a conservative thought leader. I just think it's a bad look to completely regurgitate someone's talking points down to the actual punchlines... that's all.

Your position is asinine. If you're giving credit to people then you can quote them or use their lines. Do you want me to not give credit and then to re-state their positions in my own words? Fuck off.

Feb 2, 2018

"You're 1,000% wrong. For one, Shapiro's line is "castrated or killed." Secondly, Shapiro didn't originate this idea, you close-minded jackass. I've said this exact thing for 10 years. You think Shapiro originated the idea that rapists should be executed or castrated? Jesus fucking Christ. Get out of your bubble."

When you use the exact same talking points, verbiage, argument structure, and quips as a single pundit, I think it's fair to assume you get the majority of your thought from that person. But feel free to MF me for pointing out the obvious. I just think you should try formulating your own arguments sometime... it feels good.

Feb 2, 2018
Global_IU_11:

"You're 1,000% wrong. For one, Shapiro's line is "castrated or killed." Secondly, Shapiro didn't originate this idea, you close-minded jackass. I've said this exact thing for 10 years. You think Shapiro originated the idea that rapists should be executed or castrated? Jesus fucking Christ. Get out of your bubble."

When you use the exact same talking points, verbiage, argument structure, and quips as a single pundit, I think it's fair to assume you get the majority of your thought from that person. But feel free to MF me for pointing out the obvious. I just think you should try formulating your own arguments sometime... it feels good.

You're a complete jackass. I've been posting on WSO for eons (within a year of this site first opening), providing consistent commentary on finance, real estate, and global politics. I didn't even know who Shapiro was until, like, 16 months ago (I had literally never heard of him). You know how he was a never Trumper? Yeah, well I voted for Trump. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Feb 2, 2018

I'm not going to engage in name calling with you, but someone's voting record doesn't directly correlate to the political ideals they espouse, especially in an election like this one. Trump was a complete wild card that has turned out to be the most conservative president in decades. The majority of "never Trumpers" would have voted for Trump had they known he was going to take the country in its current direction. Anyways, you get worked up very easily for a self proclaimed internet troll. I'll go ahead and end the dialogue here.

Feb 2, 2018
Global_IU_11:

I'm not going to engage in name calling with you, but someone's voting record doesn't directly correlate to the political ideals they espouse, especially in an election like this one. Trump was a complete wild card that has turned out to be the most conservative president in decades. The majority of "never Trumpers" would have voted for Trump had they known he was going to take the country in its current direction. Anyways, you get worked up very easily for a self proclaimed internet troll. I'll go ahead and end the dialogue here.

You're accusing me of idea plagiarism when I give credit to the guy I take a specific idea from. That is an unbelievably intellectually bankrupt accusation. If I take an idea from Shapiro, I give him credit. If I don't, then I don't give him credit. If I'm not giving him credit then it's not his original thought. See how that works?

Since you apparently stalk my posts, you'll see how I did that a lot several years ago with Andrew Wilkow, who I'm more influenced by than Shapiro. I always give credit. If I don't then it's not necessarily their idea alone. I've advocated for the death penalty for rapists since I was in high school a LONG time ago. It's possible that ideas have been around for a long time...

Feb 2, 2018

You have 17k bananas so to pretend that someone has to stalk you to see your comments is a bit disingenuous.

Beyond that, you're probably right. My apologies.

Feb 2, 2018

"Trump was a complete wild card that has turned out to be the most conservative president in decades."

How did you come up with this? Are you 18 years old or something? He's probably the most liberal Republican elected in the last 100yrs....

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Feb 2, 2018

Solid ad hominem, but I think you're pretty far off on that assessment.

nytimes.com/2018/01/22/us/politics/heritage-foundation-agenda-trump-conservatives.amp.html

Feb 2, 2018

OP here. Had no clue who Ben Shapiro was (had to Google him just now).
Not surprised there are others who share the same view.

As a sidenote, Western women should really not take things for granted. The "atrocious" behavior by men towards them is laughing stock compared to what the majority of women on this planet face every day.

Feb 15, 2018

Ezacrly. It's getting way blown out of proportion which is why I personally can't stand the movement

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Feb 2, 2018

There is much I agree with in this post, but I also have to say I've seen firsthand (via a relative) that it can take well into adulthood to come to terms with childhood sexual assault. The memory may essentially fragment as PTSD-related self-defense mechanism, leaving the victim with symptoms but limited recollection of what happened. Said individual might experience flashbacks and in time put everything together (especially if it is unpacked through counseling), at which point shit can really come to a head. This is a gross simplification; however, the point is that it's wrong to automatically discount someone coming forward after 15 or w/e years cause it really may have taken that long to figure everything out. Keep in mind that while saying all of this, I agree not all claims of sexual abuse are valid and indeed, many are being made for the wrong reasons. The problem is it can be really hard to separate the invalid claims, and the default reaction should not be to automatically dismiss all of them.

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Feb 2, 2018

Yea society was different back then. Sexual assault was normalized to the older generations.

Anyone remember that cartoon Pepe Le Pew?

Check out the videos on YouTube. He was basically a rapist skunk.

Feb 2, 2018

Can't believe you are blaming the victim. Of they say he did then he did it! Eye witness testimony is the best evidence, it's irrefutable.

Guilty ppl do not deserve the right to defend themselves. Should have just killed Mr whynn

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Feb 2, 2018

My concern is that the prevalence of feminism has turned our society into a gender war between male and female ignoring how similar we both are and demonizing men in the process. If a women turns on the news and sees more celebrities accused of sexual assault will she think that all men are evil? It is akin to the anti-Muslim terrorist propaganda war.

My other concern is that we spend so much time ignoring men's feelings in the process. We need to talk way more about men's health in our society. I don't need to remind most that men commit suicide at a rate 3.6X higher than women with similarly higher rates of depression.

Women's rights absolutely should be expressed and celebrated, but more often it feels like it is expressed in the form of subjugating men.

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Feb 2, 2018

Guys, I have a shocking announcement to make.

Earlier this morning, Friday, February 2, 2018. I was viciously and disgustingly sexually assaulted by @MonacoMonkey

He threw MS at one of my posts, even after I made it clear that I didn't want him thinking about me. I feel violated and degraded. He thought that I did not have the power to speak out. Guess what MonacoMonkey? Your patriarchy is up. I will no longer suffer at the hands of the patriarchal Male-Gaze that determines which of my posts, as someone who identifies as an atom of Uranium, are worth of praise and worthy of Monkey Shit. Today! I stand! #MeToo

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Feb 2, 2018

edit before i get downvoted to hell

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Feb 2, 2018

Look, it's clear women are fighting to be in control of their own sexual identities, which is fine. They're changing the way we look at gays, and hell, sex in general. It's cool, because they want to rebalance the sexual dynamic between men and women.

But it's going to be a cold day for women when they actually have to choose from a few options of men because all the guys are being more faithful than the women. Not saying that day would ever come, but wouldn't it be pretty funny to watch some certified hottie not be able to find a date or someone to buy her a drink. Fucking hilarious these chicks.

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Feb 2, 2018

When I lived in a downtown mid-rise there was a chick who lived down the hall who came home one night absolutely trashed. She couldn't get in her apartment and I believe she said she left her purse somewhere.

It must have been past midnight and I let her in so she could sleep on the couch.

Never again will I show an act of compassion such as this for a female stranger. I am incredibly lucky she wasn't a psycho feminist who could have called the police and said I assaulted her.

If they want to be "independent" then let them be. That means if they are wasted and forgot their purse like an idiot, then they can sleep outside and take responsibility for themselves.

That's where this feminist #MeToo BS is headed.

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Feb 3, 2018

Did you not get the memo? Women would never ever lie about sexual assault. Especially against high powered men with lots of money that would have their lives and businesses fall apart if they were to be accused of such. Women are infallible human beings with no history of lying or extorting their successful male counterparts.

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Feb 3, 2018
DetRustCohle:

Did you not get the memo? Women would never ever lie about sexual assault. Especially against high powered men with lots of money that would have their lives and businesses fall apart if they were to be accused of such. Women are infallible human beings with no history of lying or extorting their successful male counterparts.

I don't feel like it's extortion. But when did saying "me too" not get out of hand and snowball crazy.

Feb 4, 2018

Yep, no one would ever lie about sexual assault. The only people that say people lie about sexual assault are people who are guilty. Stop blaming the victim. They really should have never told "him" that we know what he did. Guilty people do not deserve the right to defend themselves. Should have just killed him

Feb 4, 2018

hell yes. death to feminism

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Mar 29, 2018

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Feb 9, 2018
square40:

made the mistake of taking an environmental science class this quarter for a gen ed credit and its a bunch of dumbf**k feminist hipster girls that never stop complaining and blame all of their problems on men or republicans or society but wonder why their life sucks when all they do is smoke weed and complain. Anything that comes out regarding the metoo movement they eat up right away like its the last meal they are ever going to eat in their lifetime

Sounds like a pussy fest

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Mar 29, 2018

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Feb 5, 2018

My problem with #MeToo is primarily twofold:

  1. It oftentimes fails to distinguish between genuine rape/assault/blackmail from male behavior that is harmless and not driven by malice or a desire to harm the woman but could come across as awkward and uncomfortable for the woman. The Aziz Ansari incident is a classic example of this.
  2. MeToo and the feminist movement at large, argue that women are equal to men in every way and should be treated exactly the same as men. Yet, when it comes to sexual relations, they treat women as big babies unwilling to make decisions on their own and need to be sheltered from the realities of human biology.
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Feb 5, 2018

exactly. I feel like you can't even give a women compliments now without it being "sexual harassment" ... it's getting out of hand.

I also don't like the fact that a lot of these women are politically motivated to come out with allegations of shit that happened decades ago in many cases... like sorry if Trump in office is what made you come out, I honestly DON'T GIVE a FLYING FUCK

Feb 5, 2018
BBDreamin:

exactly. I feel like you can't even give a women compliments now without it being "sexual harassment" ... it's getting out of hand.

I also don't like the fact that a lot of these women are politically motivated to come out with allegations of shit that happened decades ago in many cases... like sorry if Trump in office is what made you come out, I honestly DON'T GIVE a FLYING FUCK

I do think there are allegations that are valid, even if it comes out later, such as the Roy Moore allegations. In the case of Trump, I don't buy it because of the numerous contradictions in the women's stories, the fact that multiple people have disputed those charges, and the lack of consistency in the accusations. With actual sexual predators (i.e., Weinstein, Cosby), they follow a modus operandi of assault. All the women tell similar stories about what happened to them, stories that are extremely specific and detailed. With Trump, the women told vague bizarre stories (i.e., getting "groped" on a first class seat on a plane, Trump supposedly started kissing her while Melania was in the other room). These aren't credible enough for me to believe that Trump actually assaulted these women.

Finally, the infamous Access Hollywood tape. I saw that video a million times. Trump was clearly talking about how women LET (that is the key word here, since it implies consent) wealthy men get away with a lot more. Does anyone dispute this? At no point did Trump actually say that he committed assault. Billy Bush was interviewed about it last year, and he said that if he really thought Trump admitted to assault, he would have called the cops. It was just insecure Trump trash talking and boasting to a C-list celebrity.

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Feb 5, 2018

well said actually. I definitely do not support people like Roy Moore, Weinstein, Cosby. I'm just afraid that some are taking "sexual harassment" to a new level. I will never tolerate any kind of rape.. but cat calls etc get over it... You wan't to play with the big boys in the C Suite? Quit acting like you need to be shielded from the "evil men" of society.

Feb 7, 2018

just imagine if women seriously believed in absolute equality (rather than when it's convienent for their "cause").

*couple hears noises downstairs at 4am.
man - "honey I checked last time, it's only fair if you go."
woman -"of course, I believe in equally sharing the burden!"

of course, this will never happen in real life.
my point is, evolution created genders for a reason. don't try to tell evolution it's wrong
(because it never is).

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Feb 5, 2018

not so sure about all this other stuff but is anyone buying $WYNN on this dip?

Serious question not trolling at all I wonder if this is a good dip for a long-term buy, but I also worry about the possibility of Macau not wanting to renew gaming licenses with a tarnished reputation?

Anyone know anything about this business or cover it?

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Feb 13, 2018

People seem to overlook the fact that all of this BS ties back to cultural marxism. Media brainwashing, feminism, black lives matter, LGBT, #metoo, etc is all part of their agenda. There is a war on religion, a war on men, a war on heterosexuals, a war on freedom of speech, a war of the family unit, etc. It truly is a dangerous time to work for a corporation or be a man of means. You're one allegation, allegation away from legal drama, being fired, settlement costs to shut them up, etc.

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