Thoughts on Johns Hopkins Carey Business School
I'm interested in hearing what peoples' perceptions of Johns Hopkins Carey Business School are, not so much for their MBA program but their Masters degrees.
I come from a tiny shit state school and got meddling grades in a non-finance major, and while I'm doing well for myself now with a big name commercial real estate company, programs such as their Master of Science in Real Estate & Infrastructure (I know the Dean) or Master of Science in Finance interest me because they could serve as a stepping stone into a bigger market or different job or even allow me to prove my ability to get a better GPA and have a good school name on my resume.
At least in theory.
The thing is, I know Johns Hopkins is a prestigious university, but I also know that the business school isn't in the same league as say, the MBA programs I would be alternatively targeting.
Does it make sense to try and do a year in either the MSREI or MSF program and then leverage that to a slightly different career or better MBA program than I could currently get into, or would I just be taking on debt for a degree with exit ops no different than what I currently have?
Thanks in advance.
if youre targeting other MBA programs i think your time and money are much better spent just trying to get into your target MBA program. even if you go to cornell (which is very solid for their real estate program ) for your mba i think that would ultimately work out better
CRE-- I know several folks that went through the MSREI program at Hopkins and are doing well. That being said if you are in the DC Metro area I'd look at gtown's new program-- seems to be really picking up steam and Georgetown is putting a lot of resources behind it (as well as new real estate concentrations in their MBA program).
If you are top 10% at either of those schools I'd imagine you'd have lots of opportunities after graduation.
Probably obvious to say this, but if you get into any of those top tier MBA programs that probably offers a higher ROI-- you might want to shoot for that and use Hopkins/Gtown as secondary options (also good to note that I know people at both that did/are going through at night and keeping their day jobs).
From my perspective, that RE & Inf program looks pretty interesting. What are you looking to do as a career? That PPP course would be very cool - personally because I've been getting in to that market - especially if you plan on working on the development side of real estate and infrastructure. Structuring PPP projects via a real estate & inf standpoint would give you exposure to development, financing, infrastructure investment, construction, operation, etc... maybe something to look in to if you aren't familiar.
One of my best friends went to Georgetown's MSRE program. The dean who was at Georgetown when my buddy was there is now a dean at Hopkins. I've spoken with him numerous times - he's a cool guy.
The thing I'm trying to weigh is if I could actually get into a top MBA program. On one hand I have a great resume and I work for a great company - on the other my grades are awful and my university is no-name.
I want to get more on the development or finance side of real estate instead of office leasing, although in all honesty I'd be open to a non-real estate finance role or a management consulting type role too.
It's the indecision that drives me crazy and the indecision which will be obvious to adcoms. Banking, Consulting, Private Equity, Real Estate Development, Real Estate Financing, etc. all sound awesome and I think about myself doing any and I shrug and go "sure, that could be great." But I haven't actually done any of the above, so how the hell do I know?
Going back to PPP, does something like this interest you: http://www.edgemoordevelopment.com/projects/gov-george-deukmejian-court…
and: http://www.edgemoordevelopment.com/news/long-beach-court-building-award
In something like this, there are RE developers, equity from infrastructure funds (or the RE developers as well - JV equity sponsorship), FAs on all sides, bank finance or bonds, etc... PPPs are also being done for highways: http://www.in.gov/idoa/2752.htm
In terms of the real estate opps, these firms are nationwide so you aren't limited to major cities (like NY, Chi, LA)... PM me if you'd like more direction on where to look for more info if this is something that interests you.
I guess, I'm just trying to get a sense of what interests you... and that would dictate what education route you take - so you don't blow a ridiculous amount of money on a top tier MBA that is otherwise over-kill for what it is you want to do...
Yeah I have to figure it out myself honestly, I'm just not entirely sure how to go about it. The PPP's that Chi Town talked about are interesting. Development in general is interesting. A friend of mine works for Singer Bassuk and that kind of real estate finance is interesting. At the same time, mergers and acquisitions are interesting. Consulting is interesting. Private equity is interesting, as is real estate private equity.
I'm like the opposite of the kid who says "I'm bored, I have nothing to do." Using the same metaphor, I feel like I was just given 10 new toys but I'm not sure which I like and I'm not sure if I am even able to play with some so instead I play with the toy I got last Christmas instead while staring longingly at the others.
Grass is always greener... sometimes you're better off becoming an expert in a smaller, more familiar field; you'll still be successful, ya know?
Very true. Although even if I stay in commercial real estate (and that is definitely the most likely), I know I don't want to be a broker forever.
Look in to Ares Management - they have a cool private debt group solely focused on structured commercial real estate investment/lending
Thanks, man, I will.
Do you think the Hopkins program would be "worth it" in your estimation? Not necessarily for Ares but in general?
I just don't want to fall for a marketing ploy. I know what an MBA is, I know where it is worth it and where it isn't, etc. Harder to tell with these Masters degrees
Hmm - I'd have to do more research. The MBA has its traditional "prestige" but the masters programs have their value as well. Let me think about it a bit more. I'd hate to give you false/misleading information given the importance of the decision.
There are two students reviews on Ant's site detailing the experiences with MSF program. It seems like the faculty is strong if you're just looking for a knowledge gain or wanting to complete a masters to offset a crappy undergrad GPA with the intentions of applying to MBA later down the road. Doesn't sound like the best option for those trying to switch careers though due to recruiting issues as a new business school.
Hey thanks for the insight. That actually might work for me because I'm looking for a knowledge gain and to complete a masters to offset a crappy undergrad.
Forgive me if I'm being dense, but what/where is Ant's site?
No problem
msfhq.com
Being a current student in Johns Hopkins Carey, I would say the MS programs are generally great. The professors are experienced within their own industries. Students are diverse enough and the important thing is that you will have exit ops you want because it still carries the prestige of JHU!
no but really, does anyone know how the prospects are for JHU's MSF program, either full or part time?
Tough to say as most of the students are internationals. A quick linkedin search show some grads at ratings agencies, corporate finance, and equity research.
I graduated from JHU's MSF program and am now in NYC within equity research. JHU is still a great name, even if the business school is new (and obviously improving drastically....while keeping the JHU tradition of grade deflation)
Agree. Their grade deflation policy is rather obnoxious and unnecessary, potentially placing downward pressure on MSF grads during the job search process.
@"td12" Is the grade deflation really bad? I'm assuming it's a lot harder to pull A's is what you mean?
I got into JHU's MFin recently. Would you say it is at all challenging for a person with a limited math/statistics/programming background, but who has no inherent challenges with learning quant subjects? Also, how many of your classmates were able to interview pretty successfully in NYC? Also, are people friendly?
I got into JHU's MFin recently. Would you say it is at all challenging for a person with a limited math/statistics/programming background, but who has no inherent challenges with learning quant subjects? Also, how many of your classmates were able to interview pretty successfully in NYC? Also, are people friendly?
I got into JHU's MFin recently. Would you say it is at all challenging for a person with a limited math/statistics/programming background, but who has no inherent challenges with learning quant subjects? Also, how many of your classmates were able to interview pretty successfully in NYC? Also, are people friendly?
@"WallStreet1985" would you recommend the program for someone who has gone through investment banking at a BB who is looking to get a one year degree instead of 2 year MBA? Are you at a BB or MM?
If you're in at a BB now, why would you go and get an MBA or MSF? That is something you have to think about. I've been at BB before and MM (at a MM now). The JHU name carries a lot of weight. It's not a common wall street school, but a school which everyone respects highly. Yes - I would recommend it.
I was accepted recently with a scholarship, just as an update.
congrats @CRE, what % of tuition is the scholarship? Is it considered financial aid or is it a merit-based scholarship?
Merit based but only 25%. My GPA is hilariously bad though, so a more typical applicant could probably get more.
The problem with Hopkins for me is that even at 75% tuition, it's still more expensive than others at sticker, and that's before you factor in DC rent.
I have recently got admit from Johns Hopkins for their MSF program. But I am really confuse if I should consider it because its a new program. Can anyone please throw some light on their curriculum/ course content part?
WP Carey Finance to ibanking (Originally Posted: 08/22/2013)
Hello everyone this is my first post. A little about me... I have always been an excellent student and had like a 4.4 weighted gpa in highschool up to my senior year. At that time I was more interested in being a rockstar (played guitar since I was 7) than school. I ended up getting my GED because I was going to fail all my classes and I also went on tour for a few years with my band. I have had several Sales jobs since highschool and am now 25-years-old. I was going to community college for the past year and am now getting ready to go to a university. My GPA is a 3.8. At this point I wish that I had went to college right after highschool (even though tour was an amazing experience) but I just don't see how everyone on here is so interested in business when they are 18-years-old. Seems unnatural... I have been interested in investments and Wall Street for awhile now and am interested in Investment Banking.
I'll get to the point now. As I am older than most people going into this industry and I also have a GF that I have been with for 4 years and a baby on the way going away to school is just not really an option. I live in Arizona and although I despise ASU the WP Carey Finance school is supposed to be relatively good. If I go there and am in the Berret Honors college and their Investment Banking Industry Scholars program would I have a shot at getting into Investment Banking? I have tried searching the forum but most of the posts on this are older. It looks to me that they have stepped up their game in the past few years. They were number 5 in recruiting and have the big names such as Goldman, JPChase, etc as businesses that recruit there. Is this really true? Do these companies really come to the campus? How do their offices in California and texas etc compare to the Wall Street ones? Pay? What about Boutique investment banks in AZ, Cali, etc? Just trying to see what my options are. What are some schools you guys would recommend that are not insanely hard to get into that also have good financial aid? I would love to go to Wharton (who wouldn't?) or NYU etc but I would not be able to afford the living expenses in these areas. There are also some alumni from Wp carey who have made it to wall street. What is the easiest way to find these alumni to talk to them? What other jobs are there in the finance industry that are comparable to investment banking in the pay department but maybe not so prestigious to get in?
Sorry for the long rambling post. I am typing this before I have to go to my Math class.
you'd have to network, but i've definitely seen ASU kids on the street.
Do you know if these companies really recruit and conduct interviews on campus? I wouldn't think they could list them if they didn't which is why I get confused when the school is listed as non target
Why do you want to go into investment banking?
Make sure you learn how to spell "Barrett Honors College" before assuming that you'll get in.
Make sure you read when the post was originally created before creating a snarky comment.
JHU Carey MSF (Originally Posted: 03/10/2014)
Aa
behavioural, successes/failures, ur career ambitions, those kind of questions
What's your background
I'm curious as to why they would have a virtual interview round? Never heard of it before..
bump: how'd this turn out? I got rejected from these guys.
I got in. I did not so much like the virtual interview. They basically asked me questions that should have taken longer to answer but thankfully I have pr experience behind me so it was not hard to form articulate answers. Also, the film quality is terrible but the audio is fine.
Virtual interview was an odd experience, but I got accepted. Ended up going somewhere else with a far better reputation on the street.
Carey Business School and future career (Originally Posted: 05/11/2015)
Hi, everyone! I've been accepted for MSF at JHU. Also at Rochester Institute of Technology and Bentley University. The question is which one should i take, if i'm looking for IB job with possible relocation to HF, PE or Venture?
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