Thoughts on Johns Hopkins Carey Business School

I'm interested in hearing what peoples' perceptions of Johns Hopkins Carey Business School are, not so much for their MBA program but their Masters degrees.

I come from a tiny shit state school and got meddling grades in a non-finance major, and while I'm doing well for myself now with a big name commercial real estate company, programs such as their Master of Science in Real Estate & Infrastructure (I know the Dean) or Master of Science in Finance interest me because they could serve as a stepping stone into a bigger market or different job or even allow me to prove my ability to get a better GPA and have a good school name on my resume.

At least in theory.

The thing is, I know Johns Hopkins is a prestigious university, but I also know that the business school isn't in the same league as say, the MBA programs I would be alternatively targeting.

Does it make sense to try and do a year in either the MSREI or MSF program and then leverage that to a slightly different career or better MBA program than I could currently get into, or would I just be taking on debt for a degree with exit ops no different than what I currently have?

Thanks in advance.

 

CRE-- I know several folks that went through the MSREI program at Hopkins and are doing well. That being said if you are in the DC Metro area I'd look at gtown's new program-- seems to be really picking up steam and Georgetown is putting a lot of resources behind it (as well as new real estate concentrations in their MBA program).

If you are top 10% at either of those schools I'd imagine you'd have lots of opportunities after graduation.

Probably obvious to say this, but if you get into any of those top tier MBA programs that probably offers a higher ROI-- you might want to shoot for that and use Hopkins/Gtown as secondary options (also good to note that I know people at both that did/are going through at night and keeping their day jobs).

 

From my perspective, that RE & Inf program looks pretty interesting. What are you looking to do as a career? That PPP course would be very cool - personally because I've been getting in to that market - especially if you plan on working on the development side of real estate and infrastructure. Structuring PPP projects via a real estate & inf standpoint would give you exposure to development, financing, infrastructure investment, construction, operation, etc... maybe something to look in to if you aren't familiar.

 
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repeindc:

CRE-- I know several folks that went through the MSREI program at Hopkins and are doing well. That being said if you are in the DC Metro area I'd look at gtown's new program-- seems to be really picking up steam and Georgetown is putting a lot of resources behind it (as well as new real estate concentrations in their MBA program).

If you are top 10% at either of those schools I'd imagine you'd have lots of opportunities after graduation.

Probably obvious to say this, but if you get into any of those top tier MBA programs that probably offers a higher ROI-- you might want to shoot for that and use Hopkins/Gtown as secondary options (also good to note that I know people at both that did/are going through at night and keeping their day jobs).

One of my best friends went to Georgetown's MSRE program. The dean who was at Georgetown when my buddy was there is now a dean at Hopkins. I've spoken with him numerous times - he's a cool guy.

The thing I'm trying to weigh is if I could actually get into a top MBA program. On one hand I have a great resume and I work for a great company - on the other my grades are awful and my university is no-name.

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 
ChiTown82:

From my perspective, that RE & Inf program looks pretty interesting. What are you looking to do as a career? That PPP course would be very cool - personally because I've been getting in to that market - especially if you plan on working on the development side of real estate and infrastructure. Structuring PPP projects via a real estate & inf standpoint would give you exposure to development, financing, infrastructure investment, construction, operation, etc... maybe something to look in to if you aren't familiar.

I want to get more on the development or finance side of real estate instead of office leasing, although in all honesty I'd be open to a non-real estate finance role or a management consulting type role too.

It's the indecision that drives me crazy and the indecision which will be obvious to adcoms. Banking, Consulting, Private Equity, Real Estate Development, Real Estate Financing, etc. all sound awesome and I think about myself doing any and I shrug and go "sure, that could be great." But I haven't actually done any of the above, so how the hell do I know?

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 

Going back to PPP, does something like this interest you: http://www.edgemoordevelopment.com/projects/gov-george-deukmejian-court…

and: http://www.edgemoordevelopment.com/news/long-beach-court-building-award

In something like this, there are RE developers, equity from infrastructure funds (or the RE developers as well - JV equity sponsorship), FAs on all sides, bank finance or bonds, etc... PPPs are also being done for highways: http://www.in.gov/idoa/2752.htm

In terms of the real estate opps, these firms are nationwide so you aren't limited to major cities (like NY, Chi, LA)... PM me if you'd like more direction on where to look for more info if this is something that interests you.

 
ChiTown82:

I guess, I'm just trying to get a sense of what interests you... and that would dictate what education route you take - so you don't blow a ridiculous amount of money on a top tier MBA that is otherwise over-kill for what it is you want to do...

Yeah I have to figure it out myself honestly, I'm just not entirely sure how to go about it. The PPP's that Chi Town talked about are interesting. Development in general is interesting. A friend of mine works for Singer Bassuk and that kind of real estate finance is interesting. At the same time, mergers and acquisitions are interesting. Consulting is interesting. Private equity is interesting, as is real estate private equity.

I'm like the opposite of the kid who says "I'm bored, I have nothing to do." Using the same metaphor, I feel like I was just given 10 new toys but I'm not sure which I like and I'm not sure if I am even able to play with some so instead I play with the toy I got last Christmas instead while staring longingly at the others.

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 
ChiTown82:

Grass is always greener... sometimes you're better off becoming an expert in a smaller, more familiar field; you'll still be successful, ya know?

Very true. Although even if I stay in commercial real estate (and that is definitely the most likely), I know I don't want to be a broker forever.

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 
ChiTown82:

Look in to Ares Management - they have a cool private debt group solely focused on structured commercial real estate investment/lending

Thanks, man, I will.

Do you think the Hopkins program would be "worth it" in your estimation? Not necessarily for Ares but in general?

I just don't want to fall for a marketing ploy. I know what an MBA is, I know where it is worth it and where it isn't, etc. Harder to tell with these Masters degrees

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 

There are two students reviews on Ant's site detailing the experiences with MSF program. It seems like the faculty is strong if you're just looking for a knowledge gain or wanting to complete a masters to offset a crappy undergrad GPA with the intentions of applying to MBA later down the road. Doesn't sound like the best option for those trying to switch careers though due to recruiting issues as a new business school.

 
td12:

There are two students reviews on Ant's site detailing the experiences with MSF program. It seems like the faculty is strong if you're just looking for a knowledge gain or wanting to complete a masters to offset a crappy undergrad GPA with the intentions of applying to MBA later down the road. Doesn't sound like the best option for those trying to switch careers though due to recruiting issues as a new business school.

Hey thanks for the insight. That actually might work for me because I'm looking for a knowledge gain and to complete a masters to offset a crappy undergrad.

Forgive me if I'm being dense, but what/where is Ant's site?

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 

Being a current student in Johns Hopkins Carey, I would say the MS programs are generally great. The professors are experienced within their own industries. Students are diverse enough and the important thing is that you will have exit ops you want because it still carries the prestige of JHU!

 
WallStreet1985:

I graduated from JHU's MSF program and am now in NYC within equity research. JHU is still a great name, even if the business school is new (and obviously improving drastically....while keeping the JHU tradition of grade deflation)

Agree. Their grade deflation policy is rather obnoxious and unnecessary, potentially placing downward pressure on MSF grads during the job search process.

 

I got into JHU's MFin recently. Would you say it is at all challenging for a person with a limited math/statistics/programming background, but who has no inherent challenges with learning quant subjects? Also, how many of your classmates were able to interview pretty successfully in NYC? Also, are people friendly?

 

I got into JHU's MFin recently. Would you say it is at all challenging for a person with a limited math/statistics/programming background, but who has no inherent challenges with learning quant subjects? Also, how many of your classmates were able to interview pretty successfully in NYC? Also, are people friendly?

 

I got into JHU's MFin recently. Would you say it is at all challenging for a person with a limited math/statistics/programming background, but who has no inherent challenges with learning quant subjects? Also, how many of your classmates were able to interview pretty successfully in NYC? Also, are people friendly?

 
valuemunkee:

congrats @CRE, what % of tuition is the scholarship? Is it considered financial aid or is it a merit-based scholarship?

Merit based but only 25%. My GPA is hilariously bad though, so a more typical applicant could probably get more.

The problem with Hopkins for me is that even at 75% tuition, it's still more expensive than others at sticker, and that's before you factor in DC rent.

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 

I have recently got admit from Johns Hopkins for their MSF program. But I am really confuse if I should consider it because its a new program. Can anyone please throw some light on their curriculum/ course content part?

Nidhi
 

I got in. I did not so much like the virtual interview. They basically asked me questions that should have taken longer to answer but thankfully I have pr experience behind me so it was not hard to form articulate answers. Also, the film quality is terrible but the audio is fine.

 

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