Thrown out halfway through interview

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Hey y'all,

I am just wondering if this has like happened to anyone else before. I was interviewing at a F500 the other day, and halfway through my 6 mini interviews I was interrupted by the HR head telling me the interview was done and for me to exit the building. It was pretty stressful, but I am thinking I dodged a bullet here. Surely this can't be proper etiquette for a company of such caliber though.

And to clarify, I don't think I was in the wrong at all. I believe my toxic masculinity pissed of the 5/6 female interviewers, and they had the HR guy throw me out.

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Feb 5, 2019

LMAO can you elaborate what you said that made them kick you out? We need details here....

thots and prayers

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Feb 5, 2019

Ok here's what went down from my perspective. First of all to give some background on the story, I was interviewing for 1 of 2 positions. One was a senior analyst role, and the other was a junior analyst role. My success at the interview was going to determine if I would be able to qualify for the senior analyst role, which for my professional resume would have been dope. Further, I found it very suprising that I was being interviewed by 5/6 women when the industry this company is in is like 80% male plus its for a finance role, which definitely leans more male. Anyway, because I was pretty excited about this opportunity this didn't bother me obviously.

So here I am at interview day at the HQ, which composed of 6 30min interviews. The first interview went well with the most senior director, a lovely middle aged lady, who I got along with just fine. We just talked about typical behavioural/competency stuff. The second interview was with the only guy (albeit very feminine and nerdy) who would be my manager if I qualified for the senior analyst role. We talked about typical behavioural questions, and it was nothing out of the ordinary. We even had good conversation on outside interests that we could relate to each other on. It was nice that on the way out, he said that my interview with him went very well, and that it was a good sign in being able to get that senior anayst role. (At this point I'm like hell yeah I am crushing this interview, and I am getting that senior role).

Now this 3rd interview is where shit probably hit the fan I presume. This is another middle-aged lady, who just gave me some really weird vibes with her line of comments and questions. Let me quote some of the stuff she talked about and asked me:

"Yea so when I started here on the finance team, it was just 4 guys. They just worked at their desk all day long, and even ate lunch at their cube. For me that was unacceptable. I am more of a 25% work and 75% social kind of person..." (lol... wut?)

"So I see you played tennis. Are you competitive? Ok you are.. Well if we played a company-wide game day, would you be competitive and try and win or be more relaxed? Because I am a very relaxed person, and not competitive at all. Actually, the last time we played me and the other teams all colluded to beat the competitive team haha" (umm weird story but K)

So now I go on to ask her where she sees the company in a couple years as they are struggling. "Well I think this company is going to make or break this upcoming year. Either we bust or we figure out some way to survive. Its looking pretty bleak for our industry and business model, and as a result we have even had large company turnover. Actually, I was even considering interviewing at other places too, but I decided to wait it out a bit" (why the fk you saying that to me??)

And my god this woman didn't ask me a single question about my competency. It was all about the team. How well the team gets along. How everyone is unique, but friendly. She would ask me how I would get along with everyone. Team. Team. Team. Like damn I understand thats important, and I though I made it clear I am a team player, and get along with people pretty easily with my relaxed personality.

Anyway, I finished up that bizarre interview with her, and the next girl about my age comes in to interview me. She gives me a simple excel test, and as soon as I finish it, the HR guy who first met me in the lobby interupted to talk to the girl interviewing me in the hall. They talk for about 45 seconds before she comes back in, grabs her stuff, and walks out. Then the HR guy comes in, and says "I talked to the Directors. This interview is done. They said you were arrogant, disrespectful, cocky, and acted like you didn't want to be here." I mean my stomach just dropped. I couldn't believe what I was hearing because honest to god I thought I was crushing this shit lol. I respond you sure they were talking about me? He says "yup. Okay get up lets go". And let me add, this guy (also nerdy and beta) was LIVID. Like he was straight up upset and mad. Like wtf did those people tell him about me, to get him so worked up. So I get up and he walks me to the front lobby. He takes my ID badge, never looks me in the eye, and says have a nice day, and walked off. I just stood there in the lobby for a minute in utter disbelief.

Anyway, my Grandpa says lesbians are crazy. I think that 3rd interview is what caused this bizarre situation. She was looking for some feminine friend to be able to socialize with at work, and she did not like my responses to her questions. Which to iterate, I was being cordial and professional the whole time with my answers. I bet she wanted me to be all bubbly, smiley, and giddy about working for the team and what not, but no I am going to be professional for this fkin finance related job.

So yea I think my toxic masulinity pissed off her misandrist mindset, and it caused me to be kicked out of the interview, which is one of the most embarassing things that has ever happened to me lol.

TLDR;

I didn't suck up to one of the interviewers to fit her feminist mindset. She took my cordial/professional responses as I guess threatening and proceeded to get me booted out of the interview 10min later.

Update:

These fools had the audacity to send me a followup email saying that they are moving forward with another candidate, but to please go ahead and apply for this other financial analyst role within the company that based on your resume you would be a great candidate for. Hell nahhh

Edit 2:

Some people don't like the way I used to describe the people there, where I refer to some as feminine/nerdy. I only use those descriptions to give an idea of the type of people who they were hiring. I can see how that comes off as arrogant sure, but I don't mean it that way. I would consider myself to be a little nerdy, but I just don't subscribe to those feminist tendencies.

Edit 3:

I wrote this article trying to be humorous in the process to make it an interesting read. Take it as such. I did not use this same language/humuor in my interview because I like kind of wanted to job.

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Feb 5, 2019

this is kinda crazy...but also an important lesson in reading your audience for an interview.

find whatever your audience really wants to hear, and then give it to them.
this requires you asking questions to suss out what kind of person is interviewing you. might be a little manipulative...and i think this will be a rare outlier...but a good lesson nonetheless. you didn't do anything "wrong" but never hurts to learn how to manipulate people for professional reasons. i suggest this Seduction book...it really is packed with info, and its a good read...not just on seducing romantically, but also professionally and politically.

just google it...you're welcome

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Feb 5, 2019

Yea you're right. While it feels wrong, the end goal should warrant doing whatever it takes to reach it. Lesson learned.

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Feb 5, 2019

No that's BS don't "feel them out".

Life is too short to deal with people / teams like that. Honestly, forcing yourself to fit that mold would be soul sucking and tiresome. And let's be real, if you really weren't disrespectful at all and they lied because they didn't like you then they are either stupid for lying to get you kicked out of a process that they could have just denied you for, or they are just blatant liars that if you "faked it" for you'd be forced to work with.

Can you imagine working on that team, making a mistake, and bish #3 lying to make you look bad? Honestly you dodged a bullet. There are plenty of jobs and "Fortune 500" really isn't super selective.

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Feb 5, 2019

I agree with some points. If there's team members that aren't even tolerable in interviews, working with them with be a complete nightmare, especially since they'd be in a position above you.

It's possible he's not that picky. If he's looking for a job out of school to stay at for a couple years to gain experience, then it totally makes sense to feel the interviewer out and try to present yourself in a way that you think would appeal to them, even if it isn't genuine.

Don't beat yourself up on this, Eric. Some people like taking the long way home. Who the fuck knows?

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Feb 8, 2019

Yeah I agree. Don't fake anything to be on such a ass-backwards team as this. This seems to have turned out well for you honestly - clearly not a good fit (maybe for anyone).

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Feb 5, 2019

This honestly made me laugh, very well done. +1

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Feb 5, 2019

Jesus Christ I actually hope you're trolling hard.

If not, be happy you didn't get the job. Who wants to work with a bunch of feminists? - surely not any "competitive" male

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Feb 5, 2019
BBDreamin:

Who wants to work with a bunch of feminists? - surely not any "competitive" male

facepalm

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Feb 5, 2019

this is crazy, I figured you said something @famejranc or @EliteStudent11 would say....
You really didn't seem to say or do anything offensive

thots and prayers

Feb 5, 2019

dodged a bullet homie

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Feb 5, 2019

Ok I just read this.
I don't think it takes Sherlock to solve this one.
You're packing something serious below the belt, no gun.

solved

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Feb 6, 2019
WolfofWSO:

Ok I just read this.
I don't think it takes Sherlock to solve this one.
You're packing something serious below the belt, no gun.

solved

Yeah, he got a mean boner during the interview for that hot ass feminist lady

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Feb 6, 2019
iBankedUp:
WolfofWSO:

Ok I just read this.
I don't think it takes Sherlock to solve this one.
You're packing something serious below the belt, no gun.

solved

Yeah, he got a mean boner during the interview for that hot ass feminist lady

would be funny if that's what flipped her bish switch.

Feb 5, 2019

Can you post what the name of the company rhymes with?

Feb 6, 2019

Rain Drop

Feb 6, 2019

i'm horrible at these types of things....anybody else want to point out what rain drop rhymes with?

just google it...you're welcome

Feb 6, 2019

Drop Top

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Feb 6, 2019

GameStop?

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Feb 7, 2019

hmmm.... Maybe they fit my description pretty well

Feb 8, 2019

Is it GameStop? It's the only one that rhymes with Drop.
Could you PM me? Won't disclose it, just for my own future reference.

Feb 8, 2019

...

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Feb 8, 2019

Lol

Work hard, work clean, & most of all do not give up.

Feb 6, 2019

Sometimes there's nothing you can do. I have been in your shoes. You can chill out now and just tell this story at parties minus the sarcasm.

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Feb 7, 2019

Yeah but.....there's also some prizes you do NOT want to win.

I personally would probably have gotten up and said thanks but no thanks after that second question.

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Feb 8, 2019
mgaT:

Ok here's what went down from my perspective. First of all to give some background on the story, I was interviewing for 1 of 2 positions. One was a senior analyst role, and the other was a junior analyst role. My success at the interview was going to determine if I would be able to qualify for the senior analyst role, which for my professional resume would have been dope. Furhter, I found it very suprising that I was being interviewed by 5/6 women when the industry this company is in is like 80% male plus its for a finance role, which definitely leans more male. Anyway, because I was pretty excited about this opportunity this didn't bother me obviously.

So here I am at interview day at the HQ, which composed of 6 30min interviews. The first interview went well with the most senior director, a homely middle aged lady, who I got along with just fine. We just talked about typical behavioural/competency stuff. The second interview was with the only guy (albeit very feminine and nerdy) who would be my manager if I qualified for the senior analyst role. We talked about typical behavioural questions, and it was nothing out of the ordinary. We even had good conversation on outside interests that we could relate to each other on. It was nice that on the way out, he said that my interview with him went very well, and that it was a good sign in being able to get that senior anayst role. (At this point I'm like hell yeah I am crushing this interview, and I am getting that senior role).

Now this 3rd interview is where shit probably hit the fan I presume. This is another middle-aged lady, who just gave me some really weird vibes with her line of comments and questions. Let me quote some of the stuff she talked about and asked me:

"Yea so when I started here on the finance team, it was just 4 guys. They just worked at their desk all day long, and even ate lunch at their cube. For me that was unacceptable. I am more of a 25% work and 75% social kind of person..." (lol... wut?)

"So I see you played tennis. Are you competitive? Ok you are.. Well if we played a company-wide game day, would you be competitive and try and win or be more relaxed? Because I am a very relaxed person, and not competitive at all. Actually, the last time we played me and the other teams all colluded to beat the competitive team haha" (umm weird story but K)

So now I go on to ask her where she sees the company in a couple years as they are struggling. "Well I think this company is going to make or break this upcoming year. Either we bust or we figure out some way to survive. Its looking pretty bleak for our industry and business model, and as a result we have even had large company turnover. Actually, I was even considering interviewing at other places too, but I decided to wait it out a bit" (why the fk you saying that to me??)

And my god this woman didn't ask me a single question about my competency. It was all about the team. How well the team gets along. How everyone is unique, but friendly. She would ask me how I would get along with everyone. Team. Team. Team. Like damn I understand thats important, and I though I made it clear I am a team player, and get along with people pretty easily with my relaxed personality.

Anyway, I finished up that bizarre interview with her, and the next girl about my age comes in to interview me. She gives me a simple excel test, and as soon as I finish it, the HR guy who first met me in the lobby interupted to talk to the girl interviewing me in the hall. They talk for about 45 seconds before she comes back in, grabs her stuff, and walks out. Then the HR guy comes in, and says "I talked to the Directors. This interview is done. They said you were arrogant, disrespectful, cocky, and acted like you didn't want to be here." I mean my stomach just dropped. I couldn't believe what I was hearing because honest to god I thought I was crushing this shit lol. I respond you sure they were talking about me? He says "yup. Okay get up lets go". And let me add, this guy (also nerdy and beta) was LIVID. Like he was straight up upset and mad. Like wtf did those people tell him about me, to get him so worked up. So I get up and he walks me to the front lobby. He takes my ID badge, never looks me in the eye, and says have a nice day, and walked off. I just stood there in the lobby for a minute in utter disbelief.

Anyway, my Grandpa says lesbians are crazy. I think that 3rd interview is what caused this bizarre situation. She was looking for some feminine friend to be able to socialize with at work, and she did not like my responses to her questions. Which to iterate, I was being cordial and professional the whole time with my answers. I bet she wanted me to be all bubbly, smiley, and giddy about working for the team and what not, but no I am going to be professional for this fkin finance related job.

So yea I think my toxic masulinity pissed off her misandrist mindset, and it caused me to be kicked out of the interview, which is one of the most embarassing things that has ever happened to me lol.

TLDR;

I didn't suck up to one of the interviewers to fit her feminist mindset. She took my cordial/professional responses as I guess threatening and proceeded to get me booted out of the interview 10min later.

Update:

These fools had the audacity to send me a followup email saying that they are moving forward with another candidate, but to please go ahead and apply for this other financial analyst role within the company that based on your resume you would be a great candidate for. Hell nahhh

1.) Figure out what you did "wrong" and if there's anything you can do to fix it.

When people criticize me, and it's honest, I generally thank them. Without a mirror, it's hard to notice that you missed a spot while shaving.

2.) Sometimes, it's not you that has a problem, it's the company that has a problem.

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Feb 8, 2019

The story is hard to believe, yet I believe it. We are living in very strange times. I was once the target of an HR gangbang too. Wasn't an interview but had some similarities for sure.

Like OP's story, the catalyst was a soft female with anxiety issues who can't survive unless work is a relaxed, bubbly place where nobody has any pressure to perform. She has the necessary job skills but the adult world is a little too rough for her and she's still 6 years old inside. And this office culture was indeed pretty soft, almost soft enough for her. I was her manager and I'm a little more type A, and that was a poor fit with the office culture and an even poorer fit for her (I didn't hire her).

We peacefully co-existed for 2 yrs (or so I thought) but every once in a while her work was a little short of expectations and I was willing to tell her that directly. Was never mean, just straightforward. "You did X well but you haven't done enough on Y yet, push it a little further before I review it." She would say OK, and then (unbeknownst to me) go to the girls bathroom and start crying and having panic attacks. Keep in mind, I had 2 other subordinates who I treated this exact same way and they loved me as a manager, asked me for b-school recs and I am good friends with them today.

Over time, she secretly built a coalition of 2-3 other folks in the office (all lazy, toxic political types who are not on my team but interact with me) who aren't fans of my no-nonsense, say-less-and-do-more style. She went to HR, suggested HR speak to the others in her little alliance, and next thing you know I'm brought into a meeting with HR and my boss where I'm told that I have formal complaints against me for being "belittling" towards others and I will be monitored closely for 90 days with a not-so-subtle insinuation that I'm probably fired if I don't launch a major dick-sucking campaign.

This was an asset management gig I foolishly left IB for. I quit a day after that meeting and had an IB offer 2 weeks later. Moral of the story, be wary of any place that talks a lot about "culture". Sometimes it's a good thing, but increasingly its becoming a code for "don't upset the snowflakes." These are also places with poor leadership at the top which is why departments like HR and Compliance fill the power vacuum and throw their weight around.

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Feb 8, 2019

Are we ever going to have another Apple with this type of culture? Steve Jobs, whom everyone loves for some reason, was a publicly known asshole to everyone he worked with or interacted with. He even called Bill Gate's one time and left a message with his assistant that said, "Don't you love that your daughter is playing on a Mac at school?" Engineers would claim something couldn't be done, he'd squarely tell them to fxxking get it done or get another job.

Feb 8, 2019
WolfofWSO:

Are we ever going to have another Apple with this type of culture? Steve Jobs, whom everyone loves for some reason, was a publicly known asshole to everyone he worked with or interacted with. He even called Bill Gate's one time and left a message with his assistant that said, "Don't you love that your daughter is playing on a Mac at school?" Engineers would claim something couldn't be done, he'd squarely tell them to fxxking get it done or get another job.

Steve Jobs' mercurial personality seems to fit with a creative guy, but not with a good manager. Shit like that was what got Steve Jobs forced out in the 1980s, perhaps rightly.

Apple succeeded because of Jobs' product development, but it also succeeded in SPITE of his approach to management.

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Feb 8, 2019

I think that's a good way to look at it. I'm probably the last guy still reading Isaacson's biography of Jobs, and I while I'm laughing at his management style from afar, I sure as hell wouldn't want to work for someone like that.

Feb 8, 2019

I feel like this trend of placing such a massive emphasis on culture over competancy can't be what's best for the future of a company. Surely, we can all agree that good fit is good. I think passing a basic airplane test should suffice for the most part. But to throw out good candidates because they don't fit an ideal mold just seem so so wrong.

Feb 9, 2019

Welcome to the Red Pill.

Work hard, work clean, & most of all do not give up.

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Feb 8, 2019

Based on how you are describing the situation and the people, you do indeed sound like a cocky douche bag. Pointing out that the other two men were "nerdy" and a "beta male", how is any of that relevant? We get it, you think you're an alpha male, simmer down. I really hope you're trolling, if not, it sounds like the company really dodged a bullet here.

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Feb 8, 2019

Got you beat.....I had an interview several years back with 3 superiors at a financial firm who were all black females. So my intended superior, her superior, and the main boss.

What are the chances of that happening by accident in finance? You almost have a better chance of winning the Powerball.

Didn't get the job and the interviews were pretty normal, but kind of hard not to notice the statistical abnormality

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Feb 8, 2019
mgaT:

Edit 2:

Some people don't like the way I used to describe the people there, where I refer to some as feminine/nerdy. I only use those descriptions to give an idea of the type of people who they were hiring. I can see how that comes off as arrogant sure, but I don't mean it that way. I would consider myself to be a little nerdy, but I just don't subscribe to those feminist tendencies.

On the slim chance this isn't an elaborate troll, do you not see the disconnect between your "edit 2" and the entire story? You describe the people you don't like as "feminine/nerdy" and "nerdy and beta" and "homely" (as if the woman's looks are relevant?); you now say that you don't mean to offend by those attitudes, but that's just the way you are describing how they look. Maybe, just maybe, there is a chance that the people who interviewed you picked up on the fact that you viewed them as effeminate, or homely, or "beta" - all of which sound like pretty good justifications for considering you cocky or arrogant, regardless of whether you "mean it". If you walked into their office and dropped a shit on the desk of the director, and winked over your shoulder and said "I know this seems arrogant, but I don't mean it that way," do you think anyone would give a flying fuck what you meant?

As the old saying goes, if you're looking around the room and can't spot the idiot, it's probably you. If enough people are calling you cocky and arrogant (and given your post, I'd agree), maybe it's not the company that has the issue...

PS - I am aware this dude is almost certainly trolling. But it's only a good troll because 70% of this site has the same exact view of the world.

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Feb 8, 2019

You've definitely got a good point. I don't consider myself an expert at people's skills - I am always trying to improve. And you know, you better believe in my next interview I will be so much more cognizant about my responses/personality/signals I give off.

This would have been a good gig, but I can't afford to make a same mistake at an opportuntiy at like amazon or goldman sachs you know. Lessons learned.

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Feb 9, 2019

In my group there are a few guys who would fall under some of the terms you mentioned in your post. Some of those guys are not the most traditionally masculine men. And you know what OP? I still try to make those people smile, put them at ease, and grab coffees when I can.

I'm not going to tell you there's something wrong with those chicks who interviewed you. Yes, there's a clear disturbance in the culture right now. This means YOU have to do better to navigate a landscape that's becoming more liberal. You failed the shit-test and you struck out. If you keep refusing to play the GAME you're not going to get far. Good luck on your next interviews.

Work hard, work clean, & most of all do not give up.

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Feb 9, 2019

I dunno, troll or not I think OP's story is indicative of the times and reflects a real concern. Being appropriately PC seems to be a job criterion at some firms and I don't think that's healthy. Google is one obvious example, with that kid they fired for questioning the PC orthodoxy. OP is another example and my own story posted in the thread here is yet another. I've heard other stories too but those are 3 easy examples bc two are on this screen and the other is well known. It seems like there's a mix of pro-PC, anti-bully, anti-bro sentiment that has gone too far at a lot of places.

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Feb 9, 2019

I agree with you 100%. With that said we all should know the Game we're playing and adjust accordingly. OP should've picked up on the liberal SJW vibes his interviewers were giving off and steered the interview in a direction that was a win for everybody.

Yes, these liberal SJW are crazies that will self-cannibalize their respective environment but you still have to know how to maneuver and not wrestle with a pig.

Work hard, work clean, & most of all do not give up.

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Feb 11, 2019
PteroGonzalez:

I dunno, troll or not I think OP's story is indicative of the times and reflects a real concern. Being appropriately PC seems to be a job criterion at some firms and I don't think that's healthy. Google is one obvious example, with that kid they fired for questioning the PC orthodoxy. OP is another example and my own story posted in the thread here is yet another. I've heard other stories too but those are 3 easy examples bc two are on this screen and the other is well known. It seems like there's a mix of pro-PC, anti-bully, anti-bro sentiment that has gone too far at a lot of places.

Perhaps. I think the real reason is far less sinister - most of these places of employment, especially in the financial sector, have a long and storied history of being places that women were not welcome at, and actively so. In general, I think it's pretty safe to say that its only in the last decade or so that a movement has taken place to start taking workplace harassment complaints seriously, and it's probably not much further back than that that being low-level sexually harassed in the workplace was the norm. With that kind of institutional inertia in place, it makes plenty of sense that people are going overboard trying to get it to a place of equilibrium.

Again, be respectful and treat the workplace as a workplace, and the chances are impossibly slim anything will happen. Have a little perspective on it.

Also, there are two sides to every story. We're hearing from the OP the most biased possible version of his story, in his own favor. I am sure that the middle-aged lady who gave off the "weird vibe" could have come on here and told a vastly different story than we heard. Given the comments the OP sprinkled in which hint heavily that he really doesn't respect any of the folks who interviewed him, it seems just as likely that he's not as good at hiding that, as it is that he was randomly kicked out of his interview because he's too competitive at tennis.

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Feb 11, 2019

Reasonable perspective for sure and I mostly agree. I would quibble with "impossibly slim". I think the point of the original post, and the comments agreeing with or supporting it, is that what we believed was impossibly slim is actually surprisingly realistic. The behavior towards OP (according to his side of the story) seems so bizarre that many people assume it's either in inaccurate account or extremely rare. And my only point is, I've learned through personal experience and observation of other situations that it's not so rare in the last few years. I just think people need to be very careful, especially around those who enjoy talking about all the #metoo stuff and Trump and any other of those distracting political topics.

Feb 11, 2019

Agreed man. Strange times. Majority of the guys on this site are upper middle class white guys. Y'all are the ones they're targeting the most.

Work hard, work clean, & most of all do not give up.

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Feb 11, 2019
BankerLivesMatter:

Agreed man. Strange times. Majority of the guys on this site are upper middle class white guys. Y'all are the ones they're targeting the most.

I think I read that most people on WSO are Asian. Some poll a while ago, I believe.

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@AndyLouis

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Feb 12, 2019

That number would be even higher if Harvard and other top schools weren't discriminating against Asians.

Feb 12, 2019

That's prob true, but white guys are still the most represented on Wall Street. You know what I mean Dick.

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Feb 12, 2019

"Grandpa says lesbians are crazy" hahahaha YES

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Feb 5, 2019

Please elaborate more on the toxic masculinity

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Feb 5, 2019

I really hope you copy/pasted this from somewhere and didn't type it all up.

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Feb 5, 2019

I typed it out. I gotta vent sometimes.

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Feb 5, 2019

That's super unprofessional... I work Corp. Strat at a F100 and often do interviews/hiring. I've never stopped an interview to throw someone out, nor have I ever seen it done. We rate people after the interview... It could be the worst interview ever but we finish and rate them after... like normal people.

I bet the third lady didn't understand you. Sounds like you dodged a bullet tbh. Take it as an outlier and move on. Sucks but sometimes these things are actually great when looking back later on. You shouldn't put up with that crap for a F500 gig. There are plenty of Finance jobs out there at places that wont make you want to blow your brains out. Good luck yo.

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Feb 5, 2019

Troll thread

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Feb 5, 2019
BobTheBaker:

Troll thread

Yeah this 100% didn't happen

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Feb 5, 2019

Maybe it'd be more believable if it didn't have so many forced dude-bro add-ons. Now it just reads like a wannabe leveraged sellout story.

Feb 7, 2019
CRE:
BobTheBaker:

Troll thread

Yeah this 100% didn't happen

It's entirely possible it did happen. These ladies were considerably LESS crazy than some of the workplace activists I've run into.

So I'm not saying I believe it 100%. What I am saying is that this is definitely not too crazy to be true. The problem is that...you know that middle aged crazy librarian or curch lady you knew as a kid who just looking for any excuse to make life miserable for you? The current culture at some organizations both rewards and empowers the craziest people there. It's also true that indulging toxic or unethical behavior usually does not sate it, but only causes it to amplify itself.

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Feb 7, 2019

Should also add I had one lady ask me "So what is your opinion on feminism?"

I told her what she wanted to hear by spinning a sob story about a family member, then peaced out.

Feb 8, 2019

I can believe this story in theory, because when I was doing first round interviews with an MBB, I ran smack dab into a Ruth Bader Buzzsaw, and after about 2 minutes it was clear we were both wasting our time,, and while I may not have otherwise nailed the case, I 1000% believe she didn't like my personality (and possibly anatomy). It happens.

Feb 5, 2019

True story, I don't think I could make up a story with examples like that if my life depended on it.

Feb 8, 2019

This guy could be a good middling quality troll to inspire the alpha pups on the board. Kinda a more mellow @FratLord

I miss @Fear The Bulge

Ofc @theaccountingmajor as well

Feb 5, 2019

tl;dr

But, I will say I've sat on the other side of the table interviewing. The candidate one time made a wise crack and inappropriately insulted a competitor of ours. I looked at the manager, he grew red. Then calmly said in so many words, "I sure appreciate you taking some time to come in today. We are in early stages of interviews and will be in touch should you be needed to come in again." Dude was ushered out and my manager just went bezerk saying things like, "I think we'd have better luck getting a fuggin monkey from the public zoo to do this role compared to these useless good for nothing target graduates!"

So yes, interviews do get cut short when you say stupid shyt. Don't believe me, try dropping a f bomb in an interview and see how long you remain in the hot seat (that happened too).

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Feb 6, 2019
WolfofWSO:

tl;dr

But, I will say I've sat on the other side of the table interviewing. The candidate one time made a wise crack and inappropriately insulted a competitor of ours. I looked at the manager, he grew red. Then calmly said in so many words, "I sure appreciate you taking some time to come in today. We are in early stages of interviews and will be in touch should you be needed to come in again." Dude was ushered out and my manager just went bezerk saying things like, "I think we'd have better luck getting a fuggin monkey from the public zoo to do this role compared to these useless good for nothing target graduates!"

So yes, interviews do get cut short when you say stupid shyt. Don't believe me, try dropping a f bomb in an interview and see how long you remain in the hot seat (that happened too).

Really good post. People at WSO seem to think that finance-meme pages are good representations of how people actually are in the real world, lol. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king...chuckle

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Feb 5, 2019

Believable story. I had an interviewer come in before and not like me from literally the first second. I guarantee she looked at my resume prior and didn't think I was qualified (non-target interviewing for a fairly high profile corp strat position) as she was incredibly condescending the whole time.

Side note: That company's stock price was cut in half last year. I dodged a bullet and so did you OP. Can you imagine if you actually got the job and had to work with those people?

...shrug...

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Feb 5, 2019

Sounds like an absolute dumpster fire of a company.

Not too high, not too low

Feb 5, 2019

Not that you did anything wrong in this instance. But overall, you kinda sound like a tool. They were super unprofessional, but still.

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Feb 7, 2019

Explain why he kinda sounds like a tool.

Feb 7, 2019

Talking about how the dude was beta and nerdy. They were unprofessional, but he seemed like he was looking down on everyone and that's why he got booted.

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Feb 8, 2019

Agreed...this story sounds bizarre, mostly because it doesn't sound like his interviewer asked any weird questions, nor does it sound like he gave any weird or overly masculine responses. Guessing he just came off as condescending based on how he described his interviewers. In any event it sounds like we're missing something.

Feb 8, 2019

The reason I was adding the descriptions of some of the people there as being nerdy/beta was to emphasize the type of people they were hiring. A lot of women, and very feminine males. I think I didn't fit that bill, so I was already at a disadvantage.

In my interviews, I consider myself decent at them. I smile at people's jokes. I laugh when they laugh. I ask good questions at the end. I look them in the eye as they speak to show engagement. I don't think anywhere in my interview I gave an impression that I was cocky, arrogant, etc.

Feb 8, 2019

That was the impression I got from your post, it didn't sound like you really did anything wrong or that your interviewers asked anything too weird. It seemed like there's something else from this story that we're missing. In the absence of that the only thing that made sense was imputing how you came off based on how you reported the story. Either way the whole things sounds quite strange and unless there is a REALLY big gap between how you think you came off and how you actually came off I'd say that you dodged a bullet.

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I only added the descriptions to give an idea of the type of people they hired, and why I was automatically looked down upon by not fitting their mold for an ideal candidate. Like I said in my post, I got along just well with the guy interviewer cause I am a bit of a nerd myself, but I don't have any feminist tendencies.

Feb 8, 2019

I think when he describes the guy as beta he's just trying to be efficient. The story already requires a long post and he's trying to keep it within reason. Do you not know what a beta male personality is like? I sure do. I believe the story, you can read my own story on this thread which has some similar concepts at play. The world has gotten soft and and the softness doesn't spread evenly throughout, it gets concentrated at certain workplaces and it leads to incidents like these.

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Feb 5, 2019

Out the company and team if they were actually this bad

Feb 8, 2019
PeterMBA2018:

Out the company and team if they were actually this bad

You may be surprised, but many companies have data scrappers that comb the internet for their name. We found out the hard way when we put out a newsletter which had our new client; said client came down hard on us saying we were not given permission to announce that fact publicly and this was a tiny organization all things considered.

If the big company came to this thread after seeing their name posted publicly, it wouldn't take more than a phone call to the finance group about a recent interview where said candidate was ushered out. It's putting the OPs rep on the line for future endeavors.

Feb 5, 2019

Well OP, I would respond with "thank you" letters and maybe call back in a week or two to show you are still interested in the position(s).

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Feb 6, 2019

Brush up on your EIQ. If you can't do deals with people you don't have a natural affinity with, you won't make it far. You seem like you generally have a good head on your shoulder, though, so take this as a learning experience and I'm sure you'll do just great the next time.

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Feb 7, 2019

Why on earth would you WANT to get a position like that?

Part of EIQ is being smart enough to figure out what is intolerable for you to deal with and keeping yourself out of that situation to begin with.

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Feb 6, 2019

Following up on how toxic masculinity was shown in the interview...

Feb 8, 2019

He quoted Conan the Barbarian and SPOKE IN ALL CAPS

Feb 6, 2019

I really want to believe this story is true.

Feb 6, 2019

OP -

Dodged a bullet. I would let go and move on. You got this.

No pain no game.

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Feb 8, 2019

PM me the stock ticker so my firm can short it

two things:

  • ditto to what everyone else said about dodging a bullet. the 3rd interviewer was incredibly unprofessional and that doesn't bode well for you
  • check your ego, take a good hard look in the mirror, and ask yourself (be really critical here) "how did I actually come off?" there's a good chance you weren't as neutral as you expected.

that being said, I still think you dodged a bullet

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Feb 8, 2019

Good points. Thank you.

Feb 8, 2019

I don't know if the request for stock ticker via PM was a joke, but I would actually really like to know if you're willing to PM it to me. Promise I wouldn't repeat it at all. I think stories like this speak all the way to the top on management.

Feb 8, 2019

that was said tongue in cheek. if OP wants to spill the beans, that's his prerogative. I don't short, so that was me trolling

Feb 8, 2019

Figured as much. I do short, and would love to know. Certainly wouldn't short on that limited info but it would feed into a broader understanding of how management styles are affecting the different companies in the S&P 500.

Feb 8, 2019

Toxic masculinity doesn't exist. It is a SJW buzz word. Masculinity forged modern society. We invented agriculture, laid the railroads, built city infrastructure, mined all the minerals, etc... Men have been the dominant leaders of our species since men the Paleolithic era. We are meant to be the proverbial hunter/gatherers while women are meant to birth and raise children. This dynamic has been corrupted due to lack of hardship/struggle. Most modern day men are weak effeminate sissies without testosterone.

Corporations are endorsing these policies from the top because "career women" and "beta-males" make wonderful employees that don't challenge hierarchy or ask for compensation increases. Those in power want subservient slave workers who place work before family.

Now Fortune 500 companies are outright asking for "LGBTQ status" because these individuals are less likely to have children and therefore more likely to prioritize work above all else. Corporations have no business asking these questions.

We live in a sick dying society in the run-up before the Fourth Turning which will probably usher in WWIII.

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InVinoVeritas:

Toxic masculinity doesn't exist. It is a SJW buzz word. Masculinity forged modern society. We invented agriculture, laid the railroads, built city infrastructure, mined all the minerals, etc... Men have been the dominant leaders of our species since men the Paleolithic era. We are meant to be the proverbial hunter/gatherers while women are meant to birth and raise children. This dynamic has been corrupted due to lack of hardship/struggle. Most modern day men are weak effeminate sissies without testosterone.

Corporations are endorsing these policies from the top because "career women" and "beta-males" make wonderful employees that don't challenge hierarchy or ask for compensation increases. Those in power want subservient slave workers who place work before family.

Now Fortune 500 companies are outright asking for "LGBTQ status" because these individuals are less likely to have children and therefore more likely to prioritize work above all else. Corporations have no business asking these questions.

We live in a sick dying society in the run-up before the Fourth Turning which will probably usher in WWIII.

To be fair, I appreciate the way OP used "toxic masculinity". Whatever that is, it's not a bad thing. Why not embrace the term?

I would also argue that there's a such thing as 'toxic femininity' that exists but is often times overlooked and not talked about, since only the LADIES and self-proclaimed feminists usually have an ire to speakout this way.

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Feb 8, 2019

I don't like toxic because it implies masculinity in and of itself is bad.

Our society is sick when women gather in mass to yell and scream for their right to kill babies months before birth. I don't necessarily believe in outlawing abortion (because the black market will just fill the void, demand won't disappear) but this whole psychotic religion around modern day neo-feminism is insanely destructive. Being a mother is the most important job on earth so we can raise future generations. It seems that these mentally ill feminazis exist solely to oppose anything that is traditional or conservative, regardless of merit.

Its overlooked because the media triumphs these people as champions of some kind of superior utopia where we are all sterile, live in tiny micro units in crowded dystopian cities, eat synthetic meat, give confused young boys hormone blockers, and destroy our history. Meanwhile these same "feminists" champion Islam as some peaceful religion while they pour acid on and stone their women to death in backwards massively oppressive nations with terrible standards of living.

It's severe mental illness - I don't know how else to describe it. Seeing that woman wearing an American flag hijab marching for woman's rights was the most bizarre thing I have ever seen in my life.

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Feb 8, 2019

Is this from your manifesto?

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Feb 9, 2019
NorcalClassof2019:

Is this from your manifesto?

Nailed it.

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Feb 9, 2019

Amen

Work hard, work clean, & most of all do not give up.

Feb 8, 2019

Yeah this is ridiculous. Even if you did come off as arrogant, to throw somebody out halfway through is extremely unprofessional.

Feb 8, 2019
  1. Hard to believe this is true.
  2. Super unprofessional behavior from these guys if true. Barring outrights threats or lewd behavior, hard for me to imagine DQing a candidate mid-interview, much less having security escort them out.
  3. Tone of your writing and common sense suggests your behavior/demeanor was, at the very least, off-putting. I'd really think about whether this how you want to be perceived by other prospective employers.
  4. Not sure why so many posts are using this as a launchpad to vent their views about the role of feminism in society. OP's (likely fabricated) story indicates there's a woman in one company who is biased against (heavy sarcasm) alpha male types and appears to be severely lacking in professional judgement.
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Feb 8, 2019

Well it was the HR guy who escorted me out but nonetheless it was messed up lol. My writing was only used to create an interesting read, I obviously left any sort of sarcasm/superiority complex at the door when I did the actual interview.

Maybe it wasn't feminism. Maybe she was having an awful day. Or maybe she judged me based on my background story (where I grew up or went to school idk). I am just using some context clues from the whole situation to guess it may have been caused by some sort of feminist ideals.

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Feb 12, 2019

Fuckin my way thru nyc one chick at a time