Tipping Black Car Drivers?
Are you suppose to tip the black car drivers? If so, how much?
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No, if you are taking black cars via your firm, tip is included in what your firm pays
Even non-firm related black cars, tips are usually inclusive in the charge. You should tip extra though.
How much though? $3? $5? That would be a bit more than the tip to most NYC yellow cabs for in-city trips. Is that too little? It's over an hour to drive me home from mid town.
You definitely don't need to tip black car drivers extra, completely covered by your bank.
Don't need to tip them.. its covered and if ur talking about yellow cabs.. then it depends on the total balance...
if its 12-13$ then ill make it a 15. if its 25 then ill make it 30!! common sense!!
i can never understand you americans and your tipping culture...
Same here, surely the price of the service is what it's worth??? Usually no tip, especially for the guys who ask how much I'll tip or drive like shit.
I do tip if the ride was more pleasant than usual (nice car, jazz music etc).
do you tip waiters?
I could see why some Americans don't like Europeans and don't tip them when they take them on a taxi ride or were their waiter at a restaurant.
What foreigners need to understand is that waiters and taxi drivers have their tips factored into their pay. Waiters make like $4 an hour vs. the normal minimum of around $7 because they are expected to make tips. So if you fail to tip you are only screwing a hard-working person out of money. Yes, the system might suck but that's the way it is and until their wages rise I'm always going to leave 20% (15% if they sucked and 25% if they went beyond the call of duty).
Jimbo, depends on quality of service. There's no reason one should be generous with someone who's being pissy with clients. In some cities I probably end up tipping max 1/3rd of the time, in others at least 2/3rds.
gomes, interesting comment about pay in US vs Europe, puts different behaviours inti context.
I only tip the black car drivers because I feel guilty about slavery.
In all honesty, that's actually what I thought the thread was about when I read the title.
ermen and Euromonkey, not only are waiter's tips factored into there pay (so there actual hourly pay is less than minimum wage) but they also have to pay around 4% (depends on the place) of their total sales that day to the kitchen and bar....meaning if you don't tip, they actually have to pay extra out of there own pocket for that table. So they lose some money whenever you don't tip.
how would you like it if you didn't get a bonus?
commenting on the US vs Europe tipping customs
i know that in some places in Europe, direct experience being Spain, tips are actually considered ‘extra’. Service people are paid a normal wage and any tips are considered a generous bonus by someone who is in a position to give such a bonus. As a student there I was discouraged from giving a tip because it sends a message that you are in a position to give such a bonus to the waiter which should never be the case as a student.
what about for $3 shoe shines? How much do you guys tip?
1-2, depending on my mood. Never more than 2.
The way a waitor or waitress tips the bus boys or the bar is largely dependent on the restaurant you worked at. The place I worked, the waitor got to determine what they wanted to give the bus boys / bar. It seemed like every day the waitors would claim they had a "horrible" day and would only give a meager amount out. I've never seen a culture as greedy as that of a restaurant.
Actually, restaurant tipping makes for a fascinating study of economics.
For instance, say you're a waiter. You get cash tips, but you are "expected" to report them and share with the bartenders and the kitchen. But, of course, you under-report and keep more for yourself. But if you get too greedy, the others catch on. Soon, you can't get your drink orders and kitchen orders filled correctly or on time. You get low priority. Your customers notice and tip less. If you share more tips, and you get better back-end service and more front-end tips. So you end up cheating just a little but not too much.
You have no incentive to share with the busing staff though. What are they going to do?
Sorry for the tangent. Thanks to everyone else for the advice, I won't feel guilty about stiffing the black car drivers.
a) you're probably not stiffing the drivers from what everyone's said b) is that passage from freakonomics? it seems really really familiar
Not taken directly from Freakonomics. But I fully acknowledge the influence - the book permanently changed my thinking. That and Co-opetition. And "The Education of a Speculator" especially the passages on games and deception.
Actually these specific experiences were told to me second hand by someone who worked as a waitress for a long time. She had this strategy worked out explicitly. I didn't really add anything. But it's the kind of story that would fit nicely as an example of freakonomics, or game theory.
Another aspect of "cheating but not too much" - you don't want to fully report your tips anyway because, everyone else is similarly cheating. If you report fully, you'll be the goody-two-shoes and it will be obvious to everyone, because the rest of the staff will always report lower. I heard another story where even the manager told such a goody-two-shoes to knock it off (subtly of course). The manager also has incentives to let "the system" continue in the status quo - who wants to alienate the whole wait-staff?
Oh wow I thought this was a racist thing lol whew
Ha so did I
I tip out of fear.
On a negotiated fare, tip is less expected, but it's always a nice gesture.
Apparently I just found out that it's customary to tip movers 10-15% in NYC? What the hell? Am I supposed to tip my accountant too?
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