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To All the Hillary Supporters that are allowing themselves to be spoon Fed by Main Stream Media

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/rigged-was-hillary-cli...
Please read.

I'm not a huge fan of Trump but IMO he's a better option than Hilary.

Shit is so rigged... And Trump isn't like all the other puppets.

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Comments (202)

Oct 19, 2016

Oh, and btw, here's a nice article outlining how rigged politics is...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-03/every-hil...
50 million for what? Oh ya, definitely wasn't to hear them speak....

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Oct 19, 2016

Really deep analysis there. None of Trump's personal indiscretions really disqualify him for the presidency, but here's what does: he wants to to do a $5.3 trillion tax cut while also increasing the military 15% while also undertaking a $500 billion infrastructure plan. Didn't we learn our lesson with GW?

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Oct 19, 2016

that's great man, the reality is whatever both of them say they are going to do won't happen. that's how it works most of the time..

Oct 19, 2016

there's a great article discussing politicians and their promises during campaigns, they deliver/ compromise (deliver some/most but not all) on their promises roughly 80% of the time.

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Oct 19, 2016

I predict this thread will become a shit show very shortly.

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Oct 19, 2016

I'm not posting in it again. Just providing some information for you all, not here to debate or argue on the intrawebs. So don't bother trying to debate/argue with me, hah

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Oct 19, 2016

"I'm not posting in it again. Just providing some information for you all, not here to debate or argue on the intrawebs. So don't bother trying to debate/argue with me, hah"

Hah, guys, I'm so cool. I created this politically-based forum to spout my opinion, but I don't want to defend it, hah. Tangible arguments are dumb, hah.

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Oct 19, 2016

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Oct 19, 2016

on a related note, this evening (or possibly tomorrow) keep an eye out on the frontpage for Jared Dillian's latest piece "Clinton Tax Plan" - this will be the link: http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/clinton-tax-...

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Oct 19, 2016

Kanye West 2020

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Oct 21, 2016

going through this, I would be interested to see a WSO presidential poll .. you should do it

Oct 19, 2016

Fuck the mainstream media. We're being censored like the Chinese. Media contributions were 27 to 1 in favor of Hillary.

I'm hoping there are more silent Trump supporters than the polls show. I will only be voting for candidates with private sector experience from now on. The GOP better find some fresh blood to run in 2020 because like many other Trump supporters, I will not be voting for any of the turncoats like Paul Ryan or John Kasich.

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Oct 19, 2016

John Kasich never "turned" anywhere. He was pretty steadfast about not supporting your candidate from the beginning. Ted Cruz, on the other hand, could be appropriately called a turncoat since he went against his own word like the shill he is.

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Oct 19, 2016
BobTheBaker:

John Kasich never "turned" anywhere. He was pretty steadfast about not supporting your candidate from the beginning. Ted Cruz, on the other hand, could be appropriately called a turncoat since he went against his own word like the shill he is.

Incorrect. Kasich pledged to support the nominee. He has yet to endorse trump and refuses to support him. Especially in a tight battle ground state.

All butt hurt because he only won his home state after camping out there for a month. At least Rubio and Cruz had actual voter support.

Oct 19, 2016

I apologize for the mistake, I didn't realize he pledged to support whatever nominee won. I will say that Trump has done nothing to unify the party/ earn their support other than winning roughly 40% of the vote in the primaries. His recent talk of a "rigged election" and allegations of voter fraud don't exactly help his case.

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Oct 21, 2016

Just like Trump said in the first debate that he would 'totally' support HRC if she won. Now he's whining and will only support the results if he wins. To use your words, Mr. Trump is all butt hurt.

What's changed between the first debate and now? His dismal poll numbers.

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Oct 21, 2016
Dacawin:

Just like Trump said in the first debate that he would 'totally' support HRC if she won. Now he's whining and will only support the results if he wins. To use your words, Mr. Trump is all butt hurt.

What's changed between the first debate and now? His dismal poll numbers.

Is hillary a Republican? Is he pulling his support from his parties candidate?

Is supporting Hillary the same as accepting poll results if he thinks the polls are rigged?

You're comparing apples and oranges. Kasich is a Republican who promised to get behind his parties candidate to defeat Hillary. He didn't win cause people didn't want him and now he's butt hurt.

Trump not supporting Hillary is a different issue.

Oct 21, 2016

My point was that they both backed out of their vows and it's very hypocritical to criticize one over the other, despite the minor difference in circumstance. Trump went back on his word just a few weeks later on no new information but that of his falling poll numbers. The study he quotes at his rallies in regards to flawed voter records were released several years ago so if he truly believed the election was rigged, he would not have said he would support Hillary. This is just his attempt to protect his already fragile ego (http://i.imgur.com/0zAph52.mp4) in public.

He already has a history of crying foul when things don't go his way.

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Oct 19, 2016

the only media exposure i've had to all the coverage is npr. imo they attempt to cover things equally. i have nothing to compare it to so hard to say, but i feel fairly satisfied with their coverage

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Oct 19, 2016
adapt or die:

Fuck the mainstream media. We're being censored like the Chinese. Media contributions were 27 to 1 in favor of Hillary.

I'm hoping there are more silent Trump supporters than the polls show. I will only be voting for candidates with private sector experience from now on. The GOP better find some fresh blood to run in 2020 because like many other Trump supporters, I will not be voting for any of the turncoats like Paul Ryan or John Kasich.

Russian state-owned press is better than our supposedly independent media.

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Oct 19, 2016
LongandShortofit:

Russian state-owned press is better than our supposedly independent media.

since we're throwing hyperbole and completely unsubstantiated nonsense out there, why not add this? Kudos.

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Oct 19, 2016
BobTheBaker:

LongandShortofit:Russian state-owned press is better than our supposedly independent media.

since we're throwing hyperbole and completely unsubstantiated nonsense out there, why not add this? Kudos.

I suggest you check out RT and compare it to CNN. RT is far more informative and offers a much wider view of the news.

Oct 21, 2016
TNA:

BobTheBaker: LongandShortofit:Russian state-owned press is better than our supposedly independent media.since we're throwing hyperbole and completely unsubstantiated nonsense out there, why not add this? Kudos.

I suggest you check out RT and compare it to CNN. RT is far more informative and offers a much wider view of the news.

Weirdly, I just met one of RT's employees last night at an event. He or she was quite adamant that RT covers real news rather than the nearly tabloid-esque news of CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, et al. This person did mention to take anything Russian-related with a grain of salt, but noted that other than Russian coverage, they have almost total freedom.

Oct 21, 2016
Virginia Tech 4ever:

TNA: BobTheBaker: LongandShortofit:Russian state-owned press is better than our supposedly independent media.since we're throwing hyperbole and completely unsubstantiated nonsense out there, why not add this? Kudos.I suggest you check out RT and compare it to CNN. RT is far more informative and offers a much wider view of the news.

Weirdly, I just met one of RT's employees last night at an event. He or she was quite adamant that RT covers real news rather than the nearly tabloid-esque news of CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, et al. This person did mention to take anything Russian-related with a grain of salt, but noted that other than Russian coverage, they have almost total freedom.

Totally agree. I've downloaded the application and check the site daily. American propaganda is trash. BBC is OK for like Africa news, but it's biased as well.

I'd pay money for a daily news 3-4 pager with links to actual data sources. The fact you need to work this hard to be informed is sad.

I'd also support a complete ban of TV news. It does more harm than good. I can't even see CNN without being sick.

Oct 22, 2016

I guess this further shows that Russia has nothing to hide and are have freedom of press... Unlike every other developed nation on the mainstream media front

RIP LEHMAN
RIP MONACOMONKEY
RIP THEACCOUNTING MAJOR

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Nov 2, 2016

I agree on CNN being rubbish, but RT is pure propaganda. It is a laughing stock and a subject of being banned in some post-soviet union countries in Central Eastern Europe. And rightfully so.

Oct 19, 2016

In China, it's the ruling political party that censors things. You're talking about censorship as if the media isn't ordinary citizens

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Oct 20, 2016

Are you shitting me, do you follow the migration between former political staffers and media talking heads? It is pretty much a revolving door.

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Oct 19, 2016

How do conspiracy nuts like you hold down a job without giving away how batshit you are?

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Oct 19, 2016

Glad you could join us now that the last period bell rang. I'm sure your liberal parents told you who to vote for (when you're old enough of course).

What part of my post is "batshit" exactly? Chinese censorship was a bit hyperbolic as Bob mentioned.

Classic Hillary supporter thinking that you shouldn't be able to hold a job if you don't subscribe to liberal political views.

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Oct 22, 2016

Well apparently now not having liberal views mean you can't function in society. What a world we live in

RIP LEHMAN
RIP MONACOMONKEY
RIP THEACCOUNTING MAJOR

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Oct 24, 2016
adapt or die:

Fuck the mainstream media. We're being censored like the Chinese. Media contributions were 27 to 1 in favor of Hillary.

I'm hoping there are more silent Trump supporters than the polls show. I will only be voting for candidates with private sector experience from now on. The GOP better find some fresh blood to run in 2020 because like many other Trump supporters, I will not be voting for any of the turncoats like Paul Ryan or John Kasich.

I seriously don't understand their mindset when they've been in the game for such and such years. If Trump is our only nominee, then why the FUCK are they not supporting him? The mere idea of giving votes away to Hillary is so embarrassing. It's really sad how our conservative politicians are saving face and denouncing Trump in order to pander to the political correct beehive. They're no different.

Oct 19, 2016

I've seen a number of "Never Trumpers" switch sides this week with the latest round of leaks, including the videos that show how the Clinton campaign incites violence at Trump rallies / attempts voter fraud. I really do think people are starting to reject the MSM.

Oct 19, 2016

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/
On occasion I'll show my friends the politics subreddit when they claim bias hasn't leaked into the MSM. You'll never see a post about Hillary's leaks here, almost entirely anti-Trump in one way or another.

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Oct 22, 2016

reddit is very anti Trump and also very anti brexit. Probably because of the amount of bot accounts that Hillary has payed for

RIP LEHMAN
RIP MONACOMONKEY
RIP THEACCOUNTING MAJOR

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Oct 19, 2016

Yeah it is unfortunate how powerful the media is relative to the quality of their product. I've spent a lot of time combing through the wikileaks stuff this past week and just really shocked at the complete media blackout of the actual content of some of these emails. Reasonably sure that Julian Assange will end up like the High Sparrow. Unfortunately I think she will be elected. Her Parkinson's will kick up over the next couple years and we will literally only see her a few times a year for State of the Union and maybe one or two diplomatic trips. I just really hope she keeps her mental faculties about her, and she has enough sense to put in place a contingency plan should her state deteriorate further. We are fighting two major proxy wars at the moment (vs Russia and Iran), either one of which could result in a meaningful conflict that would dwarf the Iraq wars. Just very uneasy with all of it. Trump not much better but at least I think he will avert war and make some needed changes to the appointment lineup. Sec of State, SecDef, Fed, SCOTUS, Treasury all need his perspective more than they do liberal sycophants.

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Oct 19, 2016

you think he will avert war but warhawks are his military advisers and he wants to grow the military.... hey man, you should spend less time reading conspiracy theories about HRC having Parkinson's and more time actually knowing who the fuck you're voting for. Smh.

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Oct 19, 2016
BobTheBaker:

you think he will avert war but warhawks are his military advisers and he wants to grow the military.... hey man, you should spend less time reading conspiracy theories about HRC having Parkinson's and more time actually knowing who the fuck you're voting for. Smh.

Jeez you sound exactly like my freaking wife. But yeah she's totally got Parkinson's or some other neuro-degenerative disease. Like 96% sure at this point, and I'm never that sure of anything...

On the war issue: "Speak softly and carry a big stick." I guess Trump isn't exactly known for speaking softly though. But I'd love to see some fucking muscle in our military instead of sending Dennis Rodman on diplomatic missions all day...

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Oct 19, 2016

I have no idea how you thought any of what you just typed was a valid response to my previous post.

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Oct 19, 2016

Helpful, thanks.

Oct 19, 2016
BobTheBaker:

I have no idea how you thought any of what you just typed was a valid response to my previous post.

Trump has said a number of times we need to stop with the foreign wars. He's said we should work with Russia to stop radical Islam. Hillary just talked about a no fly zone in Syria which would lead us directly into conflict with Russia who is sailing a naval fleet to the Mediterranean as we speak.

I'm worried less about Trump having some hawkish military advisors than Hillary who has a history of military intervention.

Oct 20, 2016

thanks for responding for him. I am not less worried, he is saying he will fire the current generals (who don't want boots on the ground in Syria) which means he will probably bring in generals that do. Keep hiding behind the fact that Trump doesn't have a "history of intervention" simply because he has never had a chance to, I'll subscribe to what he says and who he's surrounded by as a fair indication of possible future actions.

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Oct 20, 2016
BobTheBaker:

thanks for responding for him. I am not less worried, he is saying he will fire the current generals (who don't want boots on the ground in Syria) which means he will probably bring in generals that do. Keep hiding behind the fact that Trump doesn't have a "history of intervention" simply because he has never had a chance to, I'll subscribe to what he says and who he's surrounded by as a fair indication of possible future actions.

What hiding? I'm giving more weight to Hillarys actual actions vs extrapolating trumps choice in generals.

Trump has said he is against all these foreign wars. Hillary is for them. She's actually engaged in them. She advocated a no fly zone which would put us directly in conflict with Russia.

This is a simple fact.

Oct 21, 2016

Trump may say he is against foreign wars but the advisers he employs and rhetoric regarding radical Islam contradict that. I cannot make a judgment on what he has actually done because he has never been in a position to do anything. What I do know is we are in a precarious situation in the middle east and with Russia and electing someone who has zero foreign policy experience (you somehow try to spin this as a positive) has no appeal for me. The fact he hasn't even attempted to outline his plan for ISIS & bombastically suggests a mass firing of American generals because "he knows more" seals the deal for me on who I'd rather have acting in the capacity of Commander-In-Chief.

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Oct 21, 2016
BobTheBaker:

Trump may say he is against foreign wars but the advisers he employs and rhetoric regarding radical Islam contradict that. I cannot make a judgment on what he has actually done because he has never been in a position to do anything. What I do know is we are in a precarious situation in the middle east and with Russia and electing someone who has zero foreign policy experience (you somehow try to spin this as a positive) has no appeal for me. The fact he hasn't even attempted to outline his plan for ISIS & bombastically suggests a mass firing of American generals because "he knows more" seals the deal for me on who I'd rather have acting in the capacity of Commander-In-Chief.

So you're more comfortable with certainty of calamity vs uncertainty of safety?

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Oct 21, 2016

I disagree that Hillary means "certainty of calamity". What I do know is she will listen to the generals that are on the ground and dealing with the current situation and attempt to make the best decision possible. If there is anything I am sure of regarding Trump, he's going to do what he wants advice be damned. That is very dangerous in the context of foreign policy because that is precisely where the president holds the most power.

p.s. it is unfortunate that I find myself consistently defending a candidate I don't really like because many on these forums are so far out there in terms of fanaticism/ conspiracy theories that I can't help myself

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Oct 20, 2016
TNA:

Russia who is sailing a naval fleet to the Mediterranean as we speak.

Shit I thought it was just yacht week

Oct 20, 2016

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Oct 20, 2016
jankynoname:

BobTheBaker:you think he will avert war but warhawks are his military advisers and he wants to grow the military.... hey man, you should spend less time reading conspiracy theories about HRC having Parkinson's and more time actually knowing who the fuck you're voting for. Smh.

Jeez you sound exactly like my freaking wife. But yeah she's totally got Parkinson's or some other neuro-degenerative disease. Like 96% sure at this point, and I'm never that sure of anything...

On the war issue: "Speak softly and carry a big stick." I guess Trump isn't exactly known for speaking softly though. But I'd love to see some fucking muscle in our military instead of sending Dennis Rodman on diplomatic missions all day...

Do you ever read military history? Our military is more than powerful enough for the missions it will realistically undertake. Combine that with its size relative to the rest of the world's and you'd have to be insane to think we need a bigger military.

I do not support downsizing the military however, at this point the military industrial complex is a giant middle/upper-middle class welfare/jobs program. Seriously, what are people with a high school education going to do if they can't join the army as an option? What is a laid-off cruise missile engineer going to do? We're kind of stuck with the situation at present but I see no point in exacerbating it.

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Oct 21, 2016
jankynoname:

Jeez you sound exactly like my freaking wife. But yeah she's totally got Parkinson's or some other neuro-degenerative disease. Like 96% sure at this point, and I'm never that sure of anything...

I'm 98.7% sure that Donuld Trump suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder

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Oct 20, 2016

This idiocy makes me laugh, people who are avid Hillary supporters constantly say that Trump will start WW3. Yet never even look at how Hillary was the driving force behind three current war zones.

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Oct 21, 2016
heister:

This idiocy makes me laugh, people who are avid Hillary supporters constantly say that Trump will start WW3. Yet never even look at how Hillary was the driving force behind three current war zones.

Could not agree more. The liberal govt sponsored media (CNN) has taught them that Trump is going to create WWIII because of his "dangerous rhetoric"

Oct 21, 2016
heister:

This idiocy makes me laugh, people who are avid Hillary supporters constantly say that Trump will start WW3. Yet never even look at how Hillary was the driving force behind three current war zones.

Same types of people, different generation--they said Ronald Reagan would start WW3 and bring in a nuclear winter.

Oct 22, 2016

Yet when I bring up the fact that Hillary has openly stated she wants to invade Iran and her comments about Russia they are some how not relevant to the narrative that Hillary won't cause WW3

RIP LEHMAN
RIP MONACOMONKEY
RIP THEACCOUNTING MAJOR

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Oct 22, 2016

"more time actually knowing who the fuck you're voting for"

Wow Bob the baker. Care to tell me all the human rights violations in Saudi Arabia over the past decade? A country that funded your puppet Hillary Clinton with $20 million

RIP LEHMAN
RIP MONACOMONKEY
RIP THEACCOUNTING MAJOR

Oct 23, 2016

I'm disgusted that we maintain diplomatic relations w/ Saudi Arabia. But now Hillary, who supported the Iran nuclear deal that was surely hated by the Saudis (they are on the verge of a full proxy war with Iran) is their puppet? Try harder.

p.s. I just read some of your other comments, didn't realize you're a troll, I'm sorry I wasted my time responding to you. I can assure you it won't happen again

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Oct 24, 2016

That has nothing to do with the Saudi's that has to do with selling weapons to Iran to beef up tensions with India so we can try and sell more weapons to each side. No one actually cares about human rights, all we as a government actually care about is selling more weapons.

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Oct 19, 2016

The one thing I will say is how BS it is about how polarizing this election is. I have never quite seen anything like the hatred both parties have. Trump and Hillary had rallies in my hometown and there were fights galore at both. At Trump's rally people were chanting the "Fuck Donald Trump" rap. It was hilarious. The reason I think people hate Trump is because his problems are personal while Hillary's are more for political aficionados. The average voter doesn't give a shit about her email, benghazi, etc. etc. and believes her woman card bs while trump is a bigot and now an alleged predator from shit that is 10 years ago. I haven't yet decided if I'm going to vote since my state has voted for one party for over 40 years.

Also: how tf can people actually believe Hillary is pro-choice? She just randomly changed her mind?

Oct 19, 2016

There is going to be violence at the polls this year like we've never seen before. I just hope no one gets seriously injured BC it's going to get ugly.

Oct 19, 2016

Ha. If someone wore a trump shirt at where my poll location is they might get knocked out.

Oct 21, 2016
BillBelichick37:

Ha. If someone wore a trump shirt at where my poll location is they might get knocked out.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the Trump supporter "stands his ground" in such instances Nov 8th

Oct 22, 2016

EDIT: I think i confused two people.

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Oct 22, 2016

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Oct 20, 2016

Early voting anyone?

Oct 21, 2016

Let's make this clear: if there is violence at the polls it would be the result of a candidate that has stoked his supporters already nutty conspiracies to a breaking point. Anyone who is educated knows that a national election isn't "rigged". Sure, media can be biased. Sure, a party (like the Dems) can work to get a certain candidate to be the nominee. Of course, without the votes it wouldn't matter (see: the Republicans who surely didn't want Trump and got him anyway). But your preferred candidate has taken the conspiracy theories to another level by suggesting a national election is somehow going to be stolen from him by way of fraud/ manipulation. Many of his supporters believe him. The irresponsibility of endangering the democratic process just because you need a scapegoat for personal failings is something we don't expect from a serious presidential candidate, but here we are. I seriously hope the violence is minor or nonexistent but Donald Trump has made major violence a possibility. Unless, of course, he wins.

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Oct 21, 2016
BobTheBaker:

Let's make this clear: if there is violence at the polls it would be the result of a candidate that has stoked his supporters already nutty conspiracies to a breaking point. Anyone who is educated knows that a national election isn't "rigged". Sure, media can be biased. Sure, a party (like the Dems) can work to get a certain candidate to be the nominee. Of course, without the votes it wouldn't matter (see: the Republicans who surely didn't want Trump and got him anyway). But your preferred candidate has taken the conspiracy theories to another level by suggesting a national election is somehow going to be stolen from him by way of fraud/ manipulation. Many of his supporters believe him. The irresponsibility of endangering the democratic process just because you need a scapegoat for personal failings is something we don't expect from a serious presidential candidate, but here we are. I seriously hope the violence is minor or nonexistent but Donald Trump has made major violence a possibility. Unless, of course, he wins.

Read that on CNN?

In reality the violence has come from liberals who brand trump Hitler because he is against illegal immigration.

Trumps shinned a light in the garbage that is US media and political parties.

Edit

I just reread your huffpo op piece. It's comical you consider Trump as degrading the "Democratic Process". Go read those leaked emails and see how the process is run. When you have every billionaire, both parties and the fake TV news running against you and the candidate they all prop up is a straight up criminal, yeah, you get to say it's rigged.

Oct 21, 2016

I give a reasoned response and you come back with that. smh, what are you disputing that I typed? Trump has said he thinks the election is rigged, his supporters believe him, this could lead to violence on election day. What part of this is disputable? What exactly are you defending? Notice how I didn't defend the media but there are biased outlets on both sides, in fact, there is no major news equivalent to fox news. Notice how I mentioned no matter what a party does it is the votes that matter (coincidentally many of those actions the democrats discussed taking against Bernie never materialized anyway), Hillary was the stronger candidate and received a majority of the vote in the primaries. Understand I am not discussing past (minor) incidents, we are discussing the possibility of widespread violence because a major party candidate has continued to stoke baseless conspiracy theories, whipping his followers to a frenzy. The fact you can't even acknowledge this makes you seem like a shill. I am sorry his own party doesn't want him, that says more about him than his party. While you have CNN (possibly) against him, you have Fox News (obviously) for him. Romney went through a biased media, Romney went through the system. You know what Romney didn't do? Whine about the election being "rigged". Billionaires can support who they want, idk what this has to do with implying voter fraud will steal the election away. Hillary (possibly) being a criminal literally has nothing to do with any of this, but you couldn't help yourself from inserting your talking point in there, as if you are a paid shill for the Trump campaign.

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Oct 21, 2016
BobTheBaker:

I give a reasoned response and you come back with that. smh, what are you disputing that I typed? Trump has said he thinks the election is rigged, his supporters believe him, this could lead to violence on election day. What part of this is disputable? What exactly are you defending? Notice how I didn't defend the media but there are biased outlets on both sides, in fact, there is no major news equivalent to fox news. Notice how I mentioned no matter what a party does it is the votes that matter (coincidentally many of those actions the democrats discussed taking against Bernie never materialized anyway), Hillary was the stronger candidate and received a majority of the vote in the primaries. Understand I am not discussing past (minor) incidents, we are discussing the possibility of widespread violence because a major party candidate has continued to stoke baseless conspiracy theories, whipping his followers to a frenzy. The fact you can't even acknowledge this makes you seem like a shill. I am sorry his own party doesn't want him, that says more about him than his party. While you have CNN (possibly) against him, you have Fox News (obviously) for him. Romney went through a biased media, Romney went through the system. You know what Romney didn't do? Whine about the election being "rigged". Billionaires can support who they want, idk what this has to do with implying voter fraud will steal the election away. Hillary (possibly) being a criminal literally has nothing to do with any of this, but you couldn't help yourself from inserting your talking point in there, as if you are a paid shill for the Trump campaign.

We are talking about violence during this election. Have you seen trump supporters attacking Hillary events? Did you not see Chicago? You catch the videos released by O'Keefe?

All the violence is coming from the left trying to silence trump. The fact that you have to worry about being attacked cause you were a trump had is telling enough.

And fox is barely pro trump. CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, all the major papers, etc. All squarely against trump. Is facetious to pretend it's just CNN.

Edit

A shill is someone who pimps a position while ignoring fact. That definition applies to someone and it isn't me.

Oct 21, 2016

CNBC? It's on in my office every day and I wouldn't say they are obviously for any candidate. My point is the media does not decide elections. My point is the "liberal media" was against Romney/ Dubya, did you hear either complain of a rigged election? Anecdotal evidence (one video either way) means nothing. What would be significant is if we get widespread violence across the board and I think Trump has made that a distinct possibility. The only reason Fox News is "barely" for Trump is because he is a shit candidate, the reason his own party is against him is because he is a shit candidate. I am sorry you who claim to be "neutral (lol)" & "abstaining from the vote" can't see that. Keep shillin' bro.

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Oct 21, 2016
BobTheBaker:

CNBC? It's on in my office every day and I wouldn't say they are obviously for any candidate. My point is the media does not decide elections. My point is the "liberal media" was against Romney/ Dubya, did you hear either complain of a rigged election? Anecdotal evidence (one video either way) means nothing. What would be significant is if we get widespread violence across the board and I think Trump has made that a distinct possibility. The only reason Fox News is "barely" for Trump is because he is a shit candidate, the reason his own party is against him is because he is a shit candidate. I am sorry you who claim to be "neutral (lol)" & "abstaining from the vote" can't see that. Keep shillin' bro.

It's fun discussing topics with someone who gets their info from CNN.

1) Fox doesn't love trump because he isn't a big business Republican. Hence why the Koch Bros hate him.

2) I have CNBC on all day as well and it's endless shitting on trump.

3) media is operating on a whole new level this election.

4) Chicago violence when trump was going to hold a rally wasn't trivial. Supporters being attacked repeatedly wasn't minor. Campaign offices being destroyed isn't trivial. Just the fact that you have to wonder about being attacked while wearing a trump hate shows the violence out there.

Get up to speed on the issues beyond a superficial level and then I'll talk to you.

Oct 21, 2016

1.) Fox News came around to Trump but he is too much of a moron not to volunteer a ridiculous sound bite that makes any reasonable person question him as a presidential candidate.
2.) we'll agree to disagree on CNBC, I think a lot of this stuff is a persecution complex among Trump supporters.
3.) The media is operating like the media, putting out sensational stories for clicks/ views, refer to my number (1.) as to why they seem to be "on another level" with this specific candidate.
4.) Of course it is not trivial, but it is neither widespread nor systematic, if we see widespread and systematic violence on election day I would bet on it being from Trump supporters miffed at their candidate losing because they believe they've been defrauded by the election Trump is now calling "rigged". This kind of language is unprecedented in modern American politics yet you want to act as if it's okay or it is warranted.

No one is saying Trump shouldn't say "the media is biased" or "my own party is working against me" or "billionaires are giving way more to Hillary because she will be in their pocket". The first quote is true (whether they are biased against or for him), the second statement is true, the last is a way you can (fairly) attack your opponent. This isn't what he is saying. He is implying that more people will vote for Donald Trump and "the elites" will find a way to rig the election in his opponents favor anyway. This stance is an embarrassment and it is a scapegoat. This stance makes violence at the polls far likelier. This stance further divides our nation (Trump hasn't made a single attempt to unite us so no surprise here). This stance is false, plain and simple.

If you can deny anything I've said in that second paragraph then you're welcome to.

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Oct 21, 2016

@TNA curious to hear your takes on voter identification. To me it is the most BS part about elections. They should require a state id or driver's license.

Oct 21, 2016

Absolutely - Dems cling to this notion that it's asking a person who does not drive too much to get get an ID card. WTF

This is a no brainer common sense issue and it of course makes people concerned about illegals voting, dead people, etc all the normal voter fraud possibilities.

Oct 21, 2016
BillBelichick37:

@TNA curious to hear your takes on voter identification. To me it is the most BS part about elections. They should require a state id or driver's license.

I think all Americas should be able to vote. I also think having an ID is an important part of living a normal life. Therefore I support Democrats working to get their base ID's all year round, instead of only caring about them when they need a vote.

That said, I fully support requiring an ID to vote. Plenty of dirt poor Republicans have ID's so it isn't a poverty issue. And the fact that we have millions of illegal immigrants is cause enough to ensure all votes are valid.

When a non citizen votes it is a theft from an American. We should do everything to insure that this doesn't happen.

Oct 21, 2016

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Oct 23, 2016

I'm sure every industrialized nation requires an ID to vote, they do in Canada. Can you really vote without ID in the USA ?

Oct 23, 2016

Liberals argue that not all of their favorite constituents have an ID and it's a burden on them to have to produce valid ID (driver's license or state ID card come to mind) before voting. We like to consider this country as a revolving door so that anyone can strip us of our dignity.

Oct 23, 2016
iBankedUp:

Liberals argue that not all of their favorite constituents have an ID and it's a burden on them to have to produce valid ID (driver's license or state ID card come to mind) before voting. We like to consider this country as a revolving door so that anyone can strip us of our dignity.

Thats stupid, i'm liberal and i don't see a problem with requiring an ID to vote.

Oct 25, 2016

having id to vote is racist like shit to the minorities (who would be more likely to vote dem) w/o the time and money to get whatever type of id their state req's.

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Oct 24, 2016

depends by state. Complete bullshit if you ask me. I don't really think it would have any difference on this year's election but certainly may have swayed prior elections.

Oct 22, 2016
TNA:

liberals who brand trump Hitler because he is against illegal immigration

I'm guessing also because he keeps fresh copies of Mein Kampf and My New Order on his nightstand

Oct 22, 2016
Going Concern:

TNA:liberals who brand trump Hitler because he is against illegal immigration

I'm guessing also because he keeps fresh copies of Mein Kampf and My New Order on his nightstand

We have proof of this? Trumps daughter is Jewish now so that whole Hitler thing might be an issue.

It's cool though. Disagreeing with liberals = Hitler. Hence why calling someone Hitler is a joke now.

Oct 23, 2016
TNA:

Going Concern: TNA:liberals who brand trump Hitler because he is against illegal immigrationI'm guessing also because he keeps fresh copies of Mein Kampf and My New Order on his nightstand

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p>We have proof of this?

The fact that you have to ask says it all

But that's cool, keep chanting mon fuhrer and pretending like you aren't

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Oct 23, 2016
Going Concern:

TNA: Going Concern: TNA:liberals who brand trump Hitler because he is against illegal immigrationI'm guessing also because he keeps fresh copies of Mein Kampf and My New Order on his nightstandWe have proof of this?

The fact that you have to ask says it all

But that's cool, keep chanting mon fuhrer and pretending like you aren't

Keep bringing up the Boogey Man. Show me where it is fact that Trump has Mein Kampf on his night stand?

Honestly, the fact you bring up Hitler so cavalier is rather insensitive to the 6MM people who died under Hitler. It's cool though. Everyone is Hitler in 2016.

Oct 23, 2016
TNA:

Everyone is Hitler in 2016.

It's cool, keep ignoring the obvious

In terms of temperament and ideology, Donald Trump is the closest the country has seen to Adolf Hitler in the history of US presidential candidates. No one else comes close

I think everyone can agree that Trump makes past republican nominees like Mitt Romney look really really good. At least the latter was intelligent, principled, and successful

Oct 23, 2016
Going Concern:

TNA:Everyone is Hitler in 2016.

It's cool, keep ignoring the obvious

In terms of temperament and ideology, Donald Trump is the closest the country has seen to Adolf Hitler in the history of US presidential candidates. No one else comes close

I think everyone can agree that Trump makes past republican nominees like Mitt Romney look really really good. At least the latter was intelligent, principled, and successful

So we've move passed your acquisition about Trump with Meinn Kampf to no comparing his campaign style?

IMO, Obama, with his huge rallies, talking about Hope & Change, offering little in the way of policy and his now unilateral actions he has taken towards the end of his run looks a lot like a totalitarian leader than anything I've seen before.

Yeah, lets covet Romney. A guy who lost just about every blue collar vote. Who made his money in finance vs. building and creating. Who couldn't just shut up, but acted in an unprecedented way and spoke out about the Republican nominee.

Lets be clear. The PEOPLE voted for Trump. They didn't want the establishment pick - Bush. Romney should have stayed in the shadows and kept quiet.

In conclusion, lets look at the progression of this conversation.

Step 1 - Defame with False Statements- "Trump is Hitler, He sleeps with Mein Kampf next to him "
Step 2 - Defame with Nebulous Statements - "Trumps Hitler because of his style, his rallies, whatever"
Step 3 - Defame with Insults - "At least the latter was intelligent, principled, and successful"

As if building a billion dollar brand and business isn't successful. As if Trump isn't successful (oh wait, his dad was rich - never mind the same can be said for Romney who was also born on 3rd base).

Oct 23, 2016
TNA:

Yeah, lets covet Romney.

I'm sure both sides of the aisle can agree thatt Romney is pretty eloquent

Oct 24, 2016

So suddenly someone who is "closer" in your opinion to Hitler than anyone else suddenly equals Hitler. Did you graduate the 8th grade? That whole line of thought is laughable because every president since WW2 has been compared to Hitler by one group or another. It doesn't mean anything anymore.

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Oct 24, 2016
Going Concern:

TNA:liberals who brand trump Hitler because he is against illegal immigration

I'm guessing also because he keeps fresh copies of Mein Kampf and My New Order on his nightstand

I remember when I was 17 I was reading the Communist Manifesto while sitting on the beach. I was confronted about it by some casual acquaintances and I had to explain to them that I was just reading to learn and that I wasn't actually a communist. I'd actually like to read Mein Kampf, too, given that it is historically relevant.

Oct 24, 2016
Virginia Tech 4ever:

I remember when I was 17 I was reading the Communist Manifesto while sitting on the beach. I was confronted about it by some casual acquaintances and I had to explain to them that I was just reading to learn and that I wasn't actually a communist. I'd actually like to read Mein Kampf, too, given that it is historically relevant.

In theory I agree with your point. But given the fact that Donald Trump is a hate monger and demagogue, his open interest in Hitler amplifies an already frightening situation

I think this election has to be one big practical joke. Given all the shady stuff surrounding Hillary, if the republicans had picked literally anyone but Trump, like an even remotely normal person, they would most likely be poised to win right now. Instead they ended up choosing the biggest lunatic the republican party has ever seen

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Oct 24, 2016

Are you kidding me? I have looked into much of what people claim Trump has said that is "nazi like" or "fascist" turns out the vast majority of it is taken way out of context, usually intentionally. You don't have to agree with his politics, his views, or anything else. But for the sake of not making a complete fucking ass out of yourself you should drop the bullshit. Turns out that there is far more "fear mongering" going on about Trump than he will ever be able to do himself.

The hypocrisy of those saying that Trump is the second coming of Hitler, or that Trumps entire campaign is all about demeaning people. Who then turn around and demean him, and use Nazi fear tactics to attack their "opponents" is a complete fucking disgrace. The election didn't turn into a circus because Trump started talking off the cuff. It went to shit when the entire media had a massive stroke and began drooling out of their collective mouth about how Trump is "evil" while looking smug from their assumed high horse.

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Oct 24, 2016
Going Concern:

Virginia Tech 4ever:I remember when I was 17 I was reading the Communist Manifesto while sitting on the beach. I was confronted about it by some casual acquaintances and I had to explain to them that I was just reading to learn and that I wasn't actually a communist. I'd actually like to read Mein Kampf, too, given that it is historically relevant.

In theory I agree with your point. But given the fact that Donald Trump is a hate monger and demagogue, his open interest in Hitler amplifies an already frightening situation

I think this election has to be one big practical joke. Given all the shady stuff surrounding Hillary, if the republicans had picked literally anyone but Trump, like an even remotely normal person, they would most likely be poised to win right now. Instead they ended up choosing the biggest lunatic the republican party has ever seen

I agree that Trump was/is a terrible candidate. Not sure what evidence there is that Trump is a hatemonger. Is it that he's anti-Islam, which happens to be a virulently anti-Semitic and misogynistic religion? Or is it the fact that Trump thinks we should enforce immigration laws that are on the books?

It seems to me that this "Trump is a hater" thing is more of a myth than anything.

Oct 24, 2016
Virginia Tech 4ever:

I agree that Trump was/is a terrible candidate.

I know there's no shortage, but curious about your specific reasons for Trump being a terrible candidate

Oct 24, 2016
Going Concern:

Virginia Tech 4ever:I agree that Trump was/is a terrible candidate.

I know there's no shortage, but curious about your specific reasons for Trump being a terrible candidate

He's an out-of-the-closet sexist (most of us men are sexist, but you've got to be smart enough to keep the sexism private), a completely fake conservative, he doesn't have a strong grasp of the issues, and he will no doubt over promise and under deliver. If Trump were elected I cannot even imagine the inevitable bitter disappointment of his supporters when Trump not only fails to advance the conservative cause but likely serves to advance big government and the further centralization of power in Washington in general, and the executive in particular.

Oct 24, 2016

I can't believe how heavily downvoted you got for that comment. "The irresponsibility of endangering the democratic process just because you need a scapegoat for personal failings is something we don't expect from a serious presidential candidate" How can people not see this? In Trump's mind he can't lose/has never lost at anything/would never admit defeat so how does he deal with this? Says it's rigged of course. He literally said the same thing about the emmy's because he didn't win. It's childish. I don't want to argue with any other point than that Trump calling the election rigged is strictly his scapegoat for not admitting defeat.

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Oct 24, 2016

There's actually a long, long history in the United States of contested presidential elections (starting in the early 19th century and going through 2000). Ironically, Nixon in 1960 was one of the few to break the habit of contesting contestable elections. If civics and history were actually taught in our school system, you might know this stuff, so I don't blame you.

Oct 24, 2016

Then why did he just recently start calling it rigged? Right around the time it became apparent that he is way behind in the polls. His whole I'll accept it only if I win, come one man. He just doesn't behave himself like a respectable adult, plain and simple.

Oct 24, 2016

not to mention these are contested after an election is actually over and it is close (which means it could've gone the other way with no manipulation whatsoever)... not declared as rigged prior to the damn thing even occurring. But that distinction doesn't seem to matter, I suppose.

Oct 24, 2016
BobTheBaker:

not to mention these are contested after an election is actually over and it is close (which means it could've gone the other way with no manipulation whatsoever)... not declared as rigged prior to the damn thing even occurring. But that distinction doesn't seem to matter, I suppose.

The point is, contesting an election is NOT threatening to a republic (we're not a democracy, btw). Trump can contest anything he wants. There's a process that handles contested elections.

Yes, Trump declaring the election rigged is asinine, but it doesn't threaten anything.

Oct 24, 2016

I would say that there is an increased specter of election and post-election day violence as a result of Trump's asinine assertion that the election is rigged. Perhaps "endangering the democratic process" was too strong but it his remarks are highly irresponsible to say the least.

Oct 24, 2016
BobTheBaker:

I would say that there is an increased specter of election and post-election day violence as a result of Trump's asinine assertion that the election is rigged. Perhaps "endangering the democratic process" was too strong but it his remarks are highly irresponsible to say the least.

The only violence that has occurred is from leftist groups. Trump supporters will be pissed, but insincerely doubt you'll see violence from them.

Now if hillary was to lose I'm sure you'd see "protests" involving looting and attacking cops.

Oct 24, 2016
EazyMuthaf.ckinE:

Then why did he just recently start calling it rigged? Right around the time it became apparent that he is way behind in the polls. His whole I'll accept it only if I win, come one man. He just doesn't behave himself like a respectable adult, plain and simple.

See response above. Trump can contest the election if he wants--if he doesn't have any reasonable grounds to do so then it gets tossed out by the court. Case closed. No threat to the republic. To say so is just more ridiculous hyperbole directed at Trump since he announced his campaign. And I say this as an undecided voter who vociferously opposed Trump in the GOP primary.

Oct 24, 2016

Yeah threat to the republic hyperbole for sure, not my comment anyways. Glad you agree that it is asinine, that was my only point.

Oct 26, 2016

not voting for prez is one thing, but the down ballot stuff matters. in some of those state senate/house matters, the candidates sometimes win by only a handful of votes, and if your state elects judicial posts, some of those can be even narrower. your vote does not matter for the president, but it could matter for other elections.

Oct 26, 2016

I agree strongly about your down ballot comment, but I disagree that the Prez vote is immaterial. I get your point that it's more diluted, but it still matters, especially in a swing state, just look at FL in 2000. People who don't vote and say it's because it doesn't matter are pessimistic, lazy, imo losers for taking that powerful American right for granted.

Oct 26, 2016

No argument there, was moreso speaking to his point about his state always voting one color. Like a republican in Vermont or a democrat in Alabama, vote for prez, just go in knowing your candidate will lose

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Oct 20, 2016

That's your opinion and I don't respect it, with all due disrespect I can't see your point here.

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Oct 21, 2016
IGotABrightFuture:

That's your opinion and I don't respect it, with all due disrespect I can't see your point here.

why you have no 'nanas?

Oct 21, 2016

So I have a question. If this election hinges on a somewhat close outcome (e.g. Hillz carries FL or OH by 1 or 2 pts) and Trump appeals to the Courts... what happens? Presumably this would work its way up to the Supreme Court as the Gore appeal did, but we are left with a 4-4 SCOTUS thanks to our do-nothing legislature. Isn't that sort of chicken-and-the-egg? You can't elect a President without Supreme Court weighing in, and you can't break the logjam in the Court without a President! So wtf? I guess probably some of the conservative justices go over to the side of preserving a more stable union...

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Oct 21, 2016

All indications this election won't be close

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Oct 21, 2016

I don't know about "all indications"... Certainly in the formal polls she's way ahead, but that data does not square with the 15-30k people per day who seem to want to come out to see Trump vs. Hillary on bed leave for 4 and 5 day stretches to get her meds stabilized. I don't know, allegedly the last week of wikileaks dumps will be John Kerry's emails so things still have room to shift given this is highly likely to lead to material and non-public revelations...

In any case, can't wait for the documentary to come out!

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Oct 21, 2016

Barry Hussein would still be President at that time as well.

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Oct 24, 2016

The same thing that happened in 2000 and 2004, we will hear people in the media constantly complain about how the election was "stolen and rigged", yet now these holier than thou assholes rip Trump about his claiming the political system is rigged to favor insiders, which it with out a doubt is. I'm just enjoying all of the insanity and people making themselves look like complete idiots.

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Oct 21, 2016

1)I couldn't help but notice the way Clinton begins statements with I. Some of them were appropriate- she will be making decisions so this is about her, but other times she sounded like a dictator the way she said things.

2)There is a serious issue with our media, the candidates and the fact that we are relying on wiki leaks for information/ someone else may be trying to influence the election. Regardless, THERE IS AS MUCH AN ISSUE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CONSUME THE MEDIA.

3)Regardless of who wins i hope we have an appropriate system of checks and balances. I really want this to be good country to live in 50 years from now.

4)Why did all the decent candidates have to stop running/sell out? I haven't gotten around to researching this.

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Oct 24, 2016
Papa Harambe:

4)Why did all the decent candidates have to stop running/sell out? I haven't gotten around to researching this.

The DNC colluded against sanders. He got screwed.

As for the republicans, the wikileak emails show that the DNC colluded with the media to prop up Trump, Carson, and one other one. Trump won the primary because of the massive amounts of free press given to him which was a result of said collusion.

Oct 26, 2016

who was a decent candidate? john kasich? marco rubio? scott walker? please don't say bernie sanders, if there ever was an economic imbecile, it'd be him. here's the thing, there will never be a perfect candidate for prez, because you have to pander and be a chameleon to get votes and donations.

here's the thing, we've lived through shitty presidents, and even though I'm not voting for any of the candidates on my ballot (still voting though), I don't think either one would send us back into the dark ages. to echo what you said, we have checks & balances. the president has a lot of power to be sure, but that power is never unchecked.

this election will not worsen your livelihood 50 years from now, count on that. just vote for whoever you think will do a better job, or write someone in.

just to give you a bit of recent history, the biggest impact to my life from recent presidents is probably airport screening + client verification courtesy of the patriot act. then there's higher insurance premiums (ACA), and on top of that the fiduciary rule (coming out in 2017). but here's the thing: those aren't material changes that affect my ability to provide for my family. sure, things aren't the same, but you adapt to the environment you're presented, plain & simple. if you can't adapt, well that's your fault, cause the only constant is change.

the less you worry about politics, the happier you'll be. just do your research, cast your vote, and then shut the fuck up about it. these arguments on WSO the past few months are so tiresome. I don't know why people find it necessary to argue with strangers on the internet. what's the goal? to show how liberal/conservative you are? to change their mind? to prove a point? how is this such a popular topic? legit curious.

news flash: no one is going to change his/her vote based on a message board discussion, so give it a rest.

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Oct 26, 2016

You are right. The starter of this topic was trying to persuade others, or vent his/her anger about Clinton supporters on the internet.

Your vent deserves a topic of its own- let your voice be heard.

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Oct 27, 2016

to some extent I'm a hypocrite, because I know no matter how much I bang the drum of how it's a waste of time to get worked up about politics, I doubt I'll change anyone's mind. just wanted to pass along some wisdom that's made me a helluva lot less stressed. don't worry about politics, do your research, vote, then go back to work, you'll be a lot happier than the blowhards that try to convince the world that they are right and their opposition is wrong.

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Oct 21, 2016

This one is a gem: last year the system was rigged, this year that's impossible even to suggest: http://imgur.com/wpupCDk
Or Barry, who recently told Trump to "stop whining," talking about rigged election possibilities in 2008: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4625800/obama-rigge...
Maybe things can be rigged, maybe they can't. But the fact that Trump's "I'll wait and see" answer is the 24/7 talking point now instead of any of the numerous Hillary scandals is solid proof of which direction the media is trying to tilt things.

Oct 21, 2016
Hugh Myron:

This one is a gem: last year the system was rigged, this year that's impossible even to suggest: http://imgur.com/wpupCDk

Or Barry, who recently told Trump to "stop whining," talking about rigged election possibilities in 2008: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4625800/obama-rigge...

Maybe things can be rigged, maybe they can't. But the fact that Trump's "I'll wait and see" answer is the 24/7 talking point now instead of any of the numerous Hillary scandals is solid proof of which direction the media is trying to tilt things.

Agree fully. Or how about all those sexual assault accusers? That story died fast.

The Wikileaks emails are real news. Russia moving a battle fleet into the Mediterranean Sea is real news. Hillary talking about a no fly zone is real news. None of this gets coverage.

Oct 21, 2016

First:

I don't like either candidate.

Second:

I'm amazed when people don't understand why so many think the election is rigged. I guess it depends on one's definition of rigged.

One example: Not long ago, I actually used to think CNN, which many people consider to be the most center-oriented major news outlet, was relatively moderate. As this election goes on, most of the guests and anchors can no longer even hide their open disdain for Trump. It's crazy how visible their personal opinions are. I get it -- journalists have biases. That's fine. But your job, at least if you're on CNN, is to have journalistic integrity. This means making a full, conscious attempt to be non-biased. But that went to hell in a hand basket very quickly. If you think these biases don't affect anything, especially the stories the networks choose to report, you are gravely mistaken.

Other news networks are worse. Fox is obviously biased the other way, but that's Fox and we all know that. It's also just one major network and cannot counterbalance the major networks of the left.

Unless you are a strong supporter of Democrats, seeing that the the vast majority of the main stream media is biased towards the Dems isn't difficult. Even my pro-HRC and anti-Trump (3rd party) friends are beginning to admit that the MSM anchors and guests have very skewed views. The HRC-ers are happy about it, but they are rational people, which I hugely respect, and have begun admitting the biases. The 3rd partiers just hate everyone.

I also love the 'conspiracy nuts' name calling the left latches onto -- BobTheBaker case in point. Prior to Snowden, if someone came out and said that the government is spying on its citizens' emails and phone calls on a massive scale, the same people would have called that person a 'conspiracy nut'. When we see the media, the revelations such as the NSA's spying program withing our government, HRC's WikiLeaks, the recently released undercover tapes, do you really believe that people who think the election may be rigged are really all crazies? Some can be, and probably are because they believe everything is a conspiracy theory. But the non-crazies have valid concerns.

Third:

More government is almost never a good answer to anything. Think about it. We have all this government policing businesses and individual citizens. Who the hell is policing the government? That's my greatest fear of Hillary -- she will perpetuate the growth of the government without the necessary proportional growth in transparent checks and balances that ordinary citizens can directly influence. I came from a country in which people are afraid of their government, and the situation is absolutely miserable. I was so excited for the US, in which the design is for the opposite. Well, it seems we are rapidly accelerating in the wrong direction. The NSA leaks and recent HRC's WikiLeaks are great examples.

Anyway. I'm no supporter of either HRC or Trump; I just like to call things out the way they are.

Fourth:

I'll leave you with this good article to read:
http://www.economist.com/news/essays/21596796-demo...

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Oct 21, 2016

The media being biased does not mean a national election is rigged. this is a pretty simple reality. The media can be biased for anyone they want, the voters choose. The voters have always chosen and will choose who will be our next president in November. If the voters choose Trump he will win, if the voters choose Clinton she will win. Plain and simple. So no, I would not say the election is "rigged". The fact we are having such a conversation is evidence of the complete devolutionary state we are in dealing with Donald Trump as a serious candidate

p.s. yea, because the stuff about HRC having Parkinson's doesn't qualify as a conspiracy theory. the stuff trying to link HRC to her husband's sexual misdeeds isn't conspiracy theory. The Benghazi witchhunt hasn't led to conspiracy theories. The idea that HRC was actively selling out our government in her private email scandal isn't conspiracy theories. These are things reasonable, logical individuals subscribe to.

Oct 21, 2016

Again, I am not denying that there are real conspiracy crazies. I don't even disagree with you. What I am saying is there is certainly enough fodder for reasonable individuals to be suspicious of our election process. Painting all those individuals are 'conspiracy crazies' and being incredulous that they even exist is disingenuous.

Oct 22, 2016

The only thing suspicious about our election process is campaign finding and the two party system. Let's get big business out of politics and let's get a strong 3rd party so we don't have this lesser of two evils bullshit. Of course, this won't happen.

Edit: campaign funding

Oct 22, 2016

Agree on a strong 3rd party.

Oct 24, 2016

Actually, an email of HRC that was just leaked by Wikileaks seems to say that HRC had fore knowledge of the pending attack on the Benghazi consulate and gives appearances that the assassination of Ambassador Stevens was the intended goal. The email references Stevens and says that the "Libyan group is funded".

The more information that gets released about these kinds of things the more it looks like these "crazies" actually have far better analysis skills than anyone whose job it is to actually analyze these things.

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Oct 24, 2016

would you please post the exact language of the e-mail? Just did a quick search but didn't get a hit. Would be appreciated.

Oct 24, 2016

I'll get the email and post it for you. It was under Hillarys pseudonym while working at State and I can't recall the exact email number.

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Oct 21, 2016
Aerfally1:

First:

I don't like either candidate.

Second:

I'm amazed when people don't understand why so many think the election is rigged. I guess it depends on one's definition of rigged.

One example: Not long ago, I actually used to think CNN, which many people consider to be the most center-oriented major news outlet, was relatively moderate. As this election goes on, most of the guests and anchors can no longer even hide their open disdain for Trump. It's crazy how visible their personal opinions are. I get it -- journalists have biases. That's fine. But your job, at least if you're on CNN, is to have journalistic integrity. This means making a full, conscious attempt to be non-biased. But that went to hell in a hand basket very quickly. If you think these biases don't affect anything, especially the stories the networks choose to report, you are gravely mistaken.

Other news networks are worse. Fox is obviously biased the other way, but that's Fox and we all know that. It's also just one major network and cannot counterbalance the major networks of the left.

Unless you are a strong supporter of Democrats, seeing that the the vast majority of the main stream media is biased towards the Dems isn't difficult. Even my pro-HRC and anti-Trump (3rd party) friends are beginning to admit that the MSM anchors and guests have very skewed views. The HRC-ers are happy about it, but they are rational people, which I hugely respect, and have begun admitting the biases. The 3rd partiers just hate everyone.

I also love the 'conspiracy nuts' name calling the left latches onto -- BobTheBaker case in point. Prior to Snowden, if someone came out and said that the government is spying on its citizens' emails and phone calls on a massive scale, the same people would have called that person a 'conspiracy nut'. When we see the media, the revelations such as the NSA's spying program withing our government, HRC's WikiLeaks, the recently released undercover tapes, do you really believe that people who think the election may be rigged are really all crazies? Some can be, and probably are because they believe everything is a conspiracy theory. But the non-crazies have valid concerns.

Third:

More government is almost never a good answer to anything. Think about it. We have all this government policing businesses and individual citizens. Who the hell is policing the government? That's my greatest fear of Hillary -- she will perpetuate the growth of the government without the necessary proportional growth in transparent checks and balances that ordinary citizens can directly influence. I came from a country in which people are afraid of their government, and the situation is absolutely miserable. I was so excited for the US, in which the design is for the opposite. Well, it seems we are rapidly accelerating in the wrong direction. The NSA leaks and recent HRC's WikiLeaks are great examples.

Anyway. I'm no supporter of either HRC or Trump; I just like to call things out the way they are.

Fourth:

I'll leave you with this good article to read:http://www.economist.com/news/essays/21596796-demo...

I don't think it's fair to think that the MSM is rigged towards one side and specifically call out CNN while giving Fox a relative pass because "everyone knows Fox is biased". It's good to note that Fox's viewership is more than twice that of CNN and therefore their biased views reach more people.

Some online media outlets such as Breitbart & Alex Jones (people listen to this guy sadly, even more so after Trump himself praised the guy) are way more biased than the institutions you dislike. At least the MSM doesn't go to the extreme of calling out one of the candidates as the literal devil and anti-Christ.

Overall, there is bias everywhere and to call it "rigged" is absurd.

Oct 21, 2016

If you notice, I referred only to mainstream media outlets. I specifically left out places like Breitbart, Huff Post, Wash Post, Mother Jones, Yahoo, Google News, etc.

Fox is very biased. But everyone knows that. So people do not come to Fox to watch unbiased reporting. From what I understand, CNN is supposed to be the relatively unbiased news source. My problem is that it has become increasingly biased with this election. If I wanted to see bias, I'd just go to Fox or MSNBC, CBS, NBC, etc. This is why I called out CNN in particular.

Maybe the problem is in diverging definitions of the term 'rigged'.

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Oct 21, 2016

Public distrust in all media has been high for the last few years, CNN included. There was a poll back in 2012 that showed that over 60% of Americans surveyed paid little attention to political media.

People choose to live in their own echo chambers. I only see the right whining on the existence of leftist echo chambers though.

Oct 21, 2016

"People choose to live in their own echo chambers. I only see the right whining on the existence of leftist echo chambers though."

Hm. I don't see that at all. I see ample whining from both sides, with admittedly more from the right during this election. To be honest, your statement says a lot about your mindset. I doubt this conversation will have any impact. But hey, to each his own.

Oct 21, 2016

Agree to disagree.

Oct 21, 2016
BobTheBaker:

The media being biased does not mean a national election is rigged. this is a pretty simple reality. The media can be biased for anyone they want, the voters choose. The voters have always chosen and will choose who will be our next president in November. If the voters choose Trump he will win, if the voters choose Clinton she will win. Plain and simple. So no, I would not say the election is "rigged". The fact we are having such a conversation is evidence of the complete devolutionary state we are in dealing with Donald Trump as a serious candidate

p.s. yea, because the stuff about HRC having Parkinson's doesn't qualify as a conspiracy theory. the stuff trying to link HRC to her husband's sexual misdeeds isn't conspiracy theory. The Benghazi witchhunt hasn't led to conspiracy theories. The idea that HRC was actively selling out our government in her private email scandal isn't conspiracy theories. These are things reasonable, logical individuals subscribe to.

somebody help this blind boy see please..

you understand how many sheep there are allowing mainstream media to help them form their opinions and make judgements right??

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Oct 22, 2016

Refer to Dacawins post on distrust of the media. Media does not select presidents, the people do. You have a moron of a candidate on your hands that has alienated almost every demographic (my boss, a lifelong Republican is abstaining from this election) and you expect him to win? You expect the media not to cover the sensational stories he consistently feeds them? Get a grip.

Oct 22, 2016

Moron that went to one of the best schools and has created a billion dollar brand and business that employs people.

Compared to a person whose created no jobs, who lives off tax papers, whose failed policies have caused death and chaos in the middle east.

Bro, you're beyond a shill. Trumps brought more Republicans out to vote than Romney or Bush. He's reached out to union Democrats and pissed off the elites on both sides.

The media doesn't vote, but it influences. You're a perfect example of it. To say that biased news doesn't have an impact is to ignore fact and history.

Remember the Maine.

Oct 22, 2016
TNA:

The media doesn't vote, but it influences. You're a perfect example of it. To say that biased news doesn't have an impact is to ignore fact and history.

Remember the Maine.

This, x100.

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Oct 24, 2016
Aerfally1:

TNA:The media doesn't vote, but it influences. You're a perfect example of it. To say that biased news doesn't have an impact is to ignore fact and history.Remember the Maine.

This, x100.

+1

Oct 22, 2016
TNA:

Compared to a person whose created no jobs, who lives off tax papers, whose failed policies have caused death and chaos in the middle east.

Also this. This is hugely important.

Now, it's almost as if people frown on businessmen and women running for high office. What do you want, lawyers instead?

I'd vote for someone who actually built something, employed people, and meaningfully contributed to the economy vs someone who has done...none of that.

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Oct 22, 2016

Trump won less than 50% of his own party's vote, is the most unfavored candidate in modern presidential election history and you expect me to buy the "ppl came to vote argument" regarding his viability as a candidate. Keep on shillin'. You talk about the school he went to as if a guy with a dad worth a couple hundred million had to be a genius to be admitted to the ivy league in the 60s. Ridiculous. He may be a solid (even great) businessman (again, he inherited tens of millions) but that obviously hasn't translated to politics. Since you require specificity, he's a moron politically. He can't deal with the media and consistently gives them low hanging fruit to devour, as they always will. Accept that reality. Let it sink in. He just gave a speech on the first 100 days as president and it includes suing his accusers. As you said, that story was dying. Now the media has something to keep it alive. Moronic move. Keep telling me how the system is "rigged" though. It isn't his disaster of a campaign that has caused him to fall 7 points behind the 2nd most unfavored candidate in modern presidential election history.

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Oct 22, 2016
BobTheBaker:

Trump won less than 50% of his own party's vote, is the most unfavored candidate in modern presidential election history and you expect me to buy the "ppl came to vote argument" regarding his viability as a candidate. Keep on shillin'. You talk about the school he went to as if a guy with a dad worth a couple hundred million had to be a genius to be admitted to the ivy league in the 60s. Ridiculous. He may be a solid (even great) businessman (again, he inherited tens of millions) but that obviously hasn't translated to politics. Since you require specificity, he's a moron politically. He can't deal with the media and consistently gives them low hanging fruit to devour, as they always will. Accept that reality. Let it sink in. He just gave a speech on the first 100 days as president and it includes suing his accusers. As you said, that story was dying. Now the media has something to keep it alive. Moronic move. Keep telling me how the system is "rigged" though. It isn't his disaster of a campaign that has caused him to fall 7 points behind the 2nd most unfavored candidate in modern presidential election history.

As typical, your response fails.

1) trump received the most votes for Republican nominee. This was achieved against all odds and against his own party.

2) while his dad was wealthy, he wasn't rediclously rich and wasn't well known. Trump still went to a top school which is used to promote Obamas intelligence so lets be fair.

3) he isn't a politician. He's a businessman and a celebrity. He owns the media and has received more free air time than anyone else.

IN conclusion, your stance and observations are superficial.

Get woke.

Also, how about you address your statement that the press doesn't vote and the obvious media bias doesn't effect the election.

Guess you've never heard of yellow journalism and the spanish American War. The press and their lies can and will impact the populace.

Oct 23, 2016

Did you seriously type "Trump owns the media"? Didn't you just say the media are against him? Dude you have gone full tilt into a total shill, the lack of logic displayed here says it all. I agree that he's a celebrity and not a politician, which is why he is a moron politically. what's so difficult to understand about that? His dad died worth roughly $400 million dollars, I'd say that's ridiculously rich, good job trying to downplay that though. your first line may be true, but on the other side of the coin he also received the worst % of primary votes for a winner in modern campaign history. Why ignore that? Your "against all odds" line sounds like it was fed to you by KellyAnne Conway herself. My statement stands, the media has always been biased but Trump has fed them more than enough where they can just publish his statements and get a negative reaction. Do you disagree? Do I believe the media currently dr ives election results? No. Between how highly partisan the nation has become (which means people do not change their mind on which party they vote for) and how much people distrust the media, I'd say the media's influence is at an all time LOW. Sorry for the facts man. I'm sure despite the fact that he'll lose the female, Hispanic, black, asian, overall college educated, and (possibly) be the first Republican to lose the white college educated vote in over 6 decades it's the media's fault. Or the "elites" will steal his fairly won presidency from him. Your position is laughable.

p.s. the spanish-american war was in the 1800s, I won't even entertain why that's a terrible example in today's context

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Oct 23, 2016
BobTheBaker:

Did you seriously type "Trump owns the media"? Didn't you just say the media are against him? Dude you have gone full tilt into a total shill, the lack of logic displayed here says it all. I agree that he's a celebrity and not a politician, which is why he is a moron politically. what's so difficult to understand about that? His dad died worth roughly $400 million dollars, I'd say that's ridiculously rich, good job trying to downplay that though. your first line may be true, but on the other side of the coin he also received the worst % of primary votes for a winner in modern campaign history. Why ignore that? Your "against all odds" line sounds like it was fed to you by KellyAnne Conway herself. My statement stands, the media has always been biased but Trump has fed them more than enough where they can just publish his statements and get a negative reaction. Do you disagree? Do I believe the media currently dr ives election results? No. Between how highly partisan the nation has become (which means people do not change their mind on which party they vote for) and how much people distrust the media, I'd say the media's influence is at an all time LOW. Sorry for the facts man. I'm sure despite the fact that he'll lose the female, Hispanic, black, asian, overall college educated, and (possibly) be the first Republican to lose the white college educated vote in over 6 decades it's the media's fault. Or the "elites" will steal his fairly won presidency from him. Your position is laughable.

p.s. the spanish-american war was in the 1800s, I won't even entertain why that's a terrible example in today's context

Jesus.

1) Trump Owns the media - You ever dunk on someone and "own" them? He is on the news 24/7, providing endless free coverage. The Republicans bitched about this endlessly. The media hates him and is biased against him, but they cannot stop talking about him.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/16/...
2) He received the most Republican votes during the primary. Fact. This against both the party and the 12 other candidates. This is because of the incredible voter turn out.

Let this sink in. Trump, against everyone, received more votes in a primary than Bush, McCain, Romney, with the party behind them early on (as it normally is) and with big money donors behind them.

3) His dad rich. We all agree and get that. I guess that disqualifies Trump from his school? Trump is a moron because he doesn't support unfettered immigration? Let's be real. Trump is a moron because he isn't a Democrat. If he was and supported Democrat policies, his Ivy League background would be touted as a verification of his intelligence.

4) If the Media is useless, then why do politicians spend so much money on ads? Get real. The media influences a lot of people, for good or bad. The US media isn't covering actual news. They aren't giving fair coverage to both parties. They've always been left tilted, but this election has just gone overboard.

Additionally, the fact that you don't understand how the Spanish-American war is relevant tells me you don't have an appreciation for history, which we always repeat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_Sp...
"It was the first conflict in which military action was precipitated by media involvement. The war grew out of U.S. interest in a fight for revolution between the Spanish military and citizens of their Cuban colony. American newspapers fanned the flames of interest in the war by fabricating atrocities which justified intervention in a number of Spanish colonies worldwide."

The media manipulated and promoted this conflict and the masses bought it up. This is why controlling the media is always what dictators do, right after they disarm the populace. This is why the media being utterly biased and manipulative in this election is so scary and so important.

FINALLY

"I'm sure despite the fact that he'll lose the female, Hispanic, black, asian, overall college educated, and (possibly) be the first Republican to lose the white college educated vote in over 6 decades it's the media's fault."

Sweet mother of god.

You do realize that Romney lost the woman vote, the black vote, the hispanic vote, etc. It is called pandering to minorities and what keeps the Democrats in power. It is why you see Hillary pimping out the 70 cents to every dollar lie to get the female vote. It is why you see the media lie about trump calling Mexicans rapists when in fact he was specifically talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

BTW - per the most recent Reuters Poll - Trump is getting 6% of the black vote. That is the same as Romney got.

Get woke bro. Your knowledge and facts need some work.

Oct 23, 2016
TNA:

3) His dad rich. We all agree and get that. I guess that disqualifies Trump from his school? Trump is a moron because he doesn't support unfettered immigration? Let's be real. Trump is a moron because he isn't a Democrat. If he was and supported Democrat policies, his Ivy League background would be touted as a verification of his intelligence.

Pretty sure that's not why Trump is a moron. Trump is a moron because he could've stopped showing us his giant cock a long time ago and he would be sitting in the white house by now. This guy has overwhelming support by Trump supporters and everyone else (sans college educated women) HATES Clinton. She could've easily destroyed herself in this election. Instead, he has not shown that he can put his head down, read something for once, and come out swinging on facts and delivering his agenda clear of any blemishes or additives. Trump should've disappeared once he had the nomination because all people want is for the country's politics to change for the better. I don't think most people give two shits about Trump the individual. Instead, he puts himself in the spotlight and god knows that's just him randomly spewing complete wasteful nonsense that makes people have to question what type of asshole we are putting in the White House. The guy is a fool.

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Oct 23, 2016
iBankedUp:

[quote="TNA3) His dad rich. We all agree and get that. I guess that disqualifies Trump from his school? Trump is a moron because he doesn't support unfettered immigration? Let's be real. Trump is a moron because he isn't a Democrat. If he was and supported Democrat policies, his Ivy League background would be touted as a verification of his intelligence.

Pretty sure that's not why Trump is a moron. Trump is a moron because he could've stopped showing us his giant cock a long time ago and he would be sitting in the white house by now. This guy has overwhelming support by Trump supporters and everyone else (sans college educated women) HATES Clinton. She could've easily destroyed herself in this election. Instead, he has not shown that he can put his head down, read something for once, and come out swinging on facts and delivering his agenda clear of any blemishes or additives. Trump should've disappeared once he had the nomination because all people want is for the country's politics to change for the better. I don't think most people give two shits about Trump the individual. Instead, he puts himself in the spotlight and god knows that's just him randomly spewing complete wasteful nonsense that makes people have to question what type of asshole are we putting in the White House. The guy is a fool.

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I will fully agree with you, but IMO, this isn't a policy type election. Romney had a 100 pg PDF with his plans. The man was nothing but details. And he got derailed talking about 50% of people automatically wont vote for him and binders full of women.

Talking about policy against a 30 year politician and lawyer is a losing batter. Trump isn't getting massive rallies because people want to hear about policy.

Is it sad? Yes. Should someone be able to crush Hillary on policy alone? Yes. Does the electorate want that? No.

IMO, Trump is running a campaign that the people want. Hence why I don't see it as moron. I see it as someone manipulating the media at their own game and taking Hillary's strong suit away from her.

My opinion though.

Oct 23, 2016

And Obama immediately crapped on Romney's detailed plans. Anyone recall the 'five point power point plan' remark during the first debate?

Oct 23, 2016
Aerfally1:

And Obama immediately crapped on Romney's detailed plans. Anyone recall the 'five point power point plan' remark during the first debate?

Or when Obama mocked Romneys claims that Russia was going to be a geopolitical advisary.

Yeah, trump should have definitely stuck to policy. Sure CNN would have given him a fair shake.

Oct 23, 2016

What really bothers me: How do you stick to policy in the face of overwhelming condescension and self-assurance (which is often wrong, e.g. Russia not becoming an adversary, Obamacare allowing you to keep your doctors and controlling costs, immigration laws not fundamentally altering the US landscape, etc.) and not expect the media to readily jump on the mocking bandwagon?

Oct 23, 2016

Trump running a campaign right now is debatable. He's more just seeing what sticks and going with it.

Oct 24, 2016

That's kind of what a campaign is, example : Hillary Clinton's views on various issues during her 30 years in public life. That is the very definition of what a campaign is.

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Oct 24, 2016

Not at all. Obama ran a campaign on 'Change' which had began being executed before he even stepped foot in the Oval office or was sworn in. When someone campaigns for something, it typically means that there's an idea that is being driven home. Trump's original campaign was to implement a protectionist/conservative American (whatever you want to call it) course. He does that a little bit, but then moreso often resorts to name calling and just generally being a bad influence. When he gets paddled on his ass, he then pivots, like when he pacified the Republican critics saying that 'he might accept a good election result' or something like that. His recent activities in the spotlight have been less about 'Make America Great Again' and more about: 'this person is bad'; 'Hillary is a liar'; and 'the system is rigged'. He couldn't even come up with a better reason for black voters to support him other than basically saying your life is shit anyways, can't get much worse. Trump's campaign is so misguided he can't fully stick with it in the public eye because it's just a really bogus campaign at the end of the day. No plan. Extremely flawed. I just don't like Trump in any capacity as a political leader.

Oct 24, 2016

A campaign is about talking out of both sides of your mouth and maybe doing some of what you said you would. If you look at what Obama actually campaigned on and what he did, even with both houses of congress you will find he accomplished little of what he said he was going to do before the 2008 election. That is just the reality of a campaign, it is just pandering to the largest mass, which in statistical bell curve terms means the average Joe. Newsflash, the average Joe is an idiot.

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Oct 24, 2016
TNA:

iBankedUp:[quote="TNA3) His dad rich. We all agree and get that. I guess that disqualifies Trump from his school? Trump is a moron because he doesn't support unfettered immigration? Let's be real. Trump is a moron because he isn't a Democrat. If he was and supported Democrat policies, his Ivy League background would be touted as a verification of his intelligence.

Pretty sure that's not why Trump is a moron. Trump is a moron because he could've stopped showing us his giant cock a long time ago and he would be sitting in the white house by now. This guy has overwhelming support by Trump supporters and everyone else (sans college educated women) HATES Clinton. She could've easily destroyed herself in this election. Instead, he has not shown that he can put his head down, read something for once, and come out swinging on facts and delivering his agenda clear of any blemishes or additives. Trump should've disappeared once he had the nomination because all people want is for the country's politics to change for the better. I don't think most people give two shits about Trump the individual. Instead, he puts himself in the spotlight and god knows that's just him randomly spewing complete wasteful nonsense that makes people have to question what type of asshole are we putting in the White House. The guy is a fool.

I will fully agree with you, but IMO, this isn't a policy type election. Romney had a 100 pg PDF with his plans. The man was nothing but details. And he got derailed talking about 50% of people automatically wont vote for him and binders full of women.

Talking about policy against a 30 year politician and lawyer is a losing batter. Trump isn't getting massive rallies because people want to hear about policy.

Is it sad? Yes. Should someone be able to crush Hillary on policy alone? Yes. Does the electorate want that? No.

IMO, Trump is running a campaign that the people want. Hence why I don't see it as moron. I see it as someone manipulating the media at their own game and taking Hillary's strong suit away from her.

My opinion though.

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Don't think I could agree more. In general, the American people have no idea. They don't care to read about policies, stances, or the like. They want to know who won the game, what's going on with Kim and Kanye, and how much they'll get on their tax return. Unbelievably closed world where numero uno comes first. Let's not lookout for future generations or even look out our own front door to see what works best for the most.

Terribly sad. What's worse is that the two viable candidates are awful. Tax plans, infrastructure plans, tariffs, etc. HRC should have been demolished with all the leaks, yet Donald can't muster the knowledge? Trump consistently gave the left-slanted media opportunities to get sound bytes which is then fed to those who watch the "news". Sad state of modern American intelligence.

Oct 24, 2016

1.) Trump owns the media yet you allege that the media has cost him his presidency (lol), using your analogy I'd say the media has "dunked on" (aka owns) Trump.
2.) He received the most votes yet also DIDN'T receive the most votes. He may have increased turnout, but he increased turnout AGAINST as much as FOR him. Keep ignoring the other side of that reality though.
3.) Keep making it about party. My point is his education cannot be used to qualify his intelligence, rich people (look at Dubya) got into top schools in the 60s (a lot do today) without merit. It happened. It happens. So when you mention his Wharton education it says nothing about his intelligence.
4.) Again, media distrust is at an all-time high, partisanship is at an all-time high. These two FACTS do not reconcile with the media "controlling" the populace (never mind the fact that there are tons of conservative bias sources out there now and that, again, Fox News is the most popular cable new network and is obviously biased AGAINST HRC)
5.) Call it pandering (I love how you discuss democratic pandering as if pandering doesn't occur on the other side, like Trump really gives a fuck about blue collar workers) but the numbers are the numbers. Trump is performing WORSE than Romney in every demographic (again, other than non-college educated white males). One poll including the black vote is cherry-picking. He has performed worse in that demographic than Romney in almost every other poll I've seen and Romney was running against a black candidate, that is just plain terrible.

That sound bite on illegal immigrants says it all, he didn't need to volunteer that sound bite, he could've delivered it in a way the media didn't have something to latch on to. But he didn't. This pattern of behavior has pervaded his entire campaign yet your shillin' self keeps denying that. I don't understand how anyone with a reasonable thought process could deny that, unless they are denying reason to "pimp their position" as you put it. This will be it for me man, when your preferred candidate loses you can whine about the media despite the reality he has run the worst campaign I've ever witnessed from a U.S. presidential candidate from a major party in my short life.

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Oct 23, 2016
BobTheBaker:

p.s. the spanish-american war was in the 1800s, I won't even entertain why that's a terrible example in today's context

This has to be a joke. Just because something happened a while ago doesn't mean you cannot draw parallels and/or learn important lessons, even in today's context.

I mean what's your cutoff date? 2001? 1992? 1975? 1901?

Oct 22, 2016

Trump's claims of a rigged election aren't to be dismissed like Obama and HRC want it to be...

Here Obama talks about it:

On electronic voting:

Oct 23, 2016

I watched that video. Obama does not say the election is rigged or could be rigged. He was asked a question, gave a bipartisan answer, and suggested possible safeguards in the (highly unlikely) scenario that widespread fraud occurs. Sounds like a future president to me. Now contrast that with The Donald.

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Oct 24, 2016

The percentage of vote won in the primary isn't really a consequential number, what matters is the number of people who actually voted in the primary. Which on the republican ticket was a much higher percentage than it has been in over 30 years. It doesn't matter if Trump didn't get over 50% of those votes, the fact of the matter is that he got those people to the polls.

Also, quit acting like HRC won a huge majority of the Democrat primary. There was clear and obvious vote tampering going on during that primary. If you try and tell me that there wasn't a single vote cast for Sanders in Brooklyn I'll call you a fucking liar.

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Oct 24, 2016

I'm not going to argue about "vote tampering". There is no evidence of that and Bernie had a strong young coalition as well as a good white coalition but young people don't vote and 40% of democratic support comes from minorities. HRC dominated Sanders among minorities the entire primary. Also, latest numbers show that only 80% of likely republican voters are heading to the polls compared to 90% traditionally. Indications are that Trump is depressing republican voter turnout despite what occurred during the primaries.

Oct 24, 2016

You can claim that young people don't vote, and as as general rule of thumb I would agree with you. However around 20% of them do vote and to try and act like of that 20% not a single one of them lived in Brooklyn you would be lying. We all understand that you are living in a fantasy world, but to deny that there wasn't vote tampering there when leaked emails from the DNC basically admitted that they did something there just shows everyone here that you are a fucking idiot.

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Oct 24, 2016

I won't get into insults with you. What email showed voter tampering? I would appreciate it if you would link that. Thanks.

Oct 24, 2016
BobTheBaker:

I won't get into insults with you. What email showed voter tampering? I would appreciate it if you would link that. Thanks.

The whole point is do you really need a smoking gun to find something wrong with Bernie not getting a vote in Brooklyn, hipster Central?

You're dealing with a lawyer and a 30 year politician, running one of the most powerful political organizations. You're probably never going to get hillary holding a gun with video proof.

Oct 24, 2016

When you are calling someone a corrupt, election rigging, assassination planning, bribe taking individual with a foundation made exclusively for the purpose of laundering money and they are a former secretary of state and their husband is a former U.S. president I tend to require proof. Hard evidence not vague speculation. Understand if Laura Bush were in the same position I'd be saying the same thing. Call me an optimist but, logically, why would HRC pick NY to rig? She was always going to win NY and ended up winning by 16 points....

p.s. pretty sure if it were an average Joe I would also require proof

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Oct 24, 2016

I don't think you fully grasp exactly what is going on with the Brooklyn thing. This wasn't about making sure that Hillary "won" NY state, it was about attempting to muzzle the Sanders momentum. I don't think the DNC ever really though Sanders would win the nomination, they were trying to minimize fracturing the Democratic alliances by ending the primary as soon as possible to prevent further disenfranchisement of Sanders supporters. The only thing is that the entire show is run by a bunch of clowns who think that they are above reproach.

What you are demanding is pretty much the same lame flimsy excuse that HRC uses about her emails, it's always the well you need 100% proof that I did anything wrong, while completely ignoring the huge piles of circumstantial evidence that exists. At some point even you have to admit that there is a lot of shady shit going on. Even if there isn't enough to convict people of fraud, racketeering and conspiracy over.

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Oct 24, 2016