This is so incredibly fucking stupid I don't even know where to begin. You think headhunters will rank these groups and recruit based off that? I'm sorry but I really doubt you have friends in real life chief
No,..I don't think headhunters do that. I was just trying to get an updated take on an old thread that was pretty popular on this forum. I understand that it may be ignorant, but I'm just a college kid trying to gain more insight. I guess once I'm a 2nd year Analyst, I'll gain the wisdom that you have.
Your comment was very rude and extra. "Group rankings like these don't matter as headhunters are not going to recruit based off of them" would have been very helpful to know. Instead, you decided to blow of some steam on a forum like this and let some random stranger on WSO piss you off? Relax man.
Not sure why you felt so offended by my post to question whether I have friends in real life, but I apologize for offending you.
it’s not a force ranking per se....but it’s quite obvious that yes HHs look at the group you’re in first and foremost, because that is the single most important predictor of your getting interviews and potential success. they know which groups they can bank on guaranteed money and placements year after year, and then the strong alumni pipeline perpetuates itself when you’ve got 3 GS FIG people going to TPG every year then viola...the next year to also place 3-4 GS FIG kids in. it’s not rocket science. it’s a pretty simple concept and so yes it fucking matters what group you’re in. not a 1-20 force ranked placement that overarches everything generally, but you get looks at places in where your 2nd years go offers and so on and so forth.
BankCredit, It's pure self-selection. These IB groups send kids to MFs each year because the top kids believe they're the best IB groups so they join these groups (and it becomes a cycle). The credentials of the kids who place at MFs is off the charts (or they're super connected). If you had those credentials / connections at any BB / EB, you would still place at MFs.
Imo, the benefit of a top group is to minimize bad luck during the recruitment process
Just an FYI - these Goldman groups have 20-30 analysts in a class.
That's a very bold assumption, but I understand where you are coming from. I know rankings on WSO get old, but I thought that this was something that could be somewhat useful. My mistake.
In 2020, Blackstone / MS / GS have really fallen off their former high horses and the EBs haven't gotten as much traction as people originally thought they would. I've done extensive research recently (including numerous off sheet reference calls with both current and former employees, and DMing people such as Rich Handler on Instagram to get a truly objective, non-biased ranking that absolutely has 0 hint of subjectivity).
Stifel ECM
Piper Industrials
RBC M&A
Harris Williams Generalist
Tobin & Co. Generalist
Jefferies LatAm coverage
Wells Fargo DCM
Sidoti & Co. Equity Research (this is a weird one, but trust me)
Greenhill Natural Resources
UBS Sponsors
Beyond the top 10 it really doesn't matter and you're fucked and your career is over - you'll forever be known as a failure and any time you try to dick measure with your peers / classmates on prestige, you'll be labeled a laughingstock. Similar to like college rankings, where once you get out of the top 10, you might as well go to a community college.
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This is so incredibly fucking stupid I don't even know where to begin. You think headhunters will rank these groups and recruit based off that? I'm sorry but I really doubt you have friends in real life chief
No,..I don't think headhunters do that. I was just trying to get an updated take on an old thread that was pretty popular on this forum. I understand that it may be ignorant, but I'm just a college kid trying to gain more insight. I guess once I'm a 2nd year Analyst, I'll gain the wisdom that you have.
Your comment was very rude and extra. "Group rankings like these don't matter as headhunters are not going to recruit based off of them" would have been very helpful to know. Instead, you decided to blow of some steam on a forum like this and let some random stranger on WSO piss you off? Relax man.
Not sure why you felt so offended by my post to question whether I have friends in real life, but I apologize for offending you.
it’s not a force ranking per se....but it’s quite obvious that yes HHs look at the group you’re in first and foremost, because that is the single most important predictor of your getting interviews and potential success. they know which groups they can bank on guaranteed money and placements year after year, and then the strong alumni pipeline perpetuates itself when you’ve got 3 GS FIG people going to TPG every year then viola...the next year to also place 3-4 GS FIG kids in. it’s not rocket science. it’s a pretty simple concept and so yes it fucking matters what group you’re in. not a 1-20 force ranked placement that overarches everything generally, but you get looks at places in where your 2nd years go offers and so on and so forth.
BankCredit, It's pure self-selection. These IB groups send kids to MFs each year because the top kids believe they're the best IB groups so they join these groups (and it becomes a cycle). The credentials of the kids who place at MFs is off the charts (or they're super connected). If you had those credentials / connections at any BB / EB, you would still place at MFs. Imo, the benefit of a top group is to minimize bad luck during the recruitment process Just an FYI - these Goldman groups have 20-30 analysts in a class.
Can we pls just not do another one of these ranking threads...
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That's a very bold assumption, but I understand where you are coming from. I know rankings on WSO get old, but I thought that this was something that could be somewhat useful. My mistake.
so cringe make it stop
Based on WSO, Buffet would have worked at RBC instead of Berkshire because of its balance sheet.
Bro you just posted cringe
Delete this nephew
In 2020, Blackstone / MS / GS have really fallen off their former high horses and the EBs haven't gotten as much traction as people originally thought they would. I've done extensive research recently (including numerous off sheet reference calls with both current and former employees, and DMing people such as Rich Handler on Instagram to get a truly objective, non-biased ranking that absolutely has 0 hint of subjectivity).
Beyond the top 10 it really doesn't matter and you're fucked and your career is over - you'll forever be known as a failure and any time you try to dick measure with your peers / classmates on prestige, you'll be labeled a laughingstock. Similar to like college rankings, where once you get out of the top 10, you might as well go to a community college.
Wtf...this is completely wrong are you sure you’re in the industry?
Tobin & Co. is #1 by far and the fact that you have them at #5 makes me question the validity of this list entirely
Wow OP, congrats. You found something that is even dumber than ranking banks themselves.
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