Top boutique M&A intern doesn't know what to do in the future (SBs!)

Hey there,
I'm currently an intern at one of the top boutiques and I'm kind of lost right now.

I always wanted to break into M&A at a top boutique or BB but now that I landed the internship, I realized that this is not the way I want to live my life.

I actually enjoy the work I do, the valuation, the research, the presentations and my bank regularly gives strategic advice to CEOs, CFOs of big listed firms for which I gather data and create presentations. Kind of cool and very interesting imho. Furthermore, I'm currently on a potential mega deal (I guess the biggest in 2013 if it closed) which will have the range of BP-Rosneft or Glencore-Xstrata so I really can't complain about the work I do. That being said, I really like what I do day to day.

BUT, the lifestyle is just ridiculous. I'm a long term intern and I'm at the bank for 4 months now (I nearly do the same work as the analysts, which is quite nice), but the lifestyle just sucks. I didn't have a day off since approximately 3 months and I'm constantly pulling 90 to 100 hours. I'm getting in at about 9 and I'm leaving at 2, including a few all nighters. As I mentioned above, I work all the time including the weekends (this post is written out of my cubicle) and it's just pointless. I haven't seen my friends and my family for several months and the only fun I have is my regular saturday night out which leaves me completely hungover the next day in the office. However, I will do the best work I can and will keep my work ethic up in the last two months as I did so far.

However, I'm kind of lost what to do after the internship. I think I have a pretty decent shot to get a full time offer, but I'm 95% sure that I'm going to reject it. Somebody else who really wants this stuff should get my spot. That being said, my resume is kind of focused on M&A and I still want to do M&A related stuff in the future.

Many people told me, that the hours in London are much better than in Continental Europe, people go out together on thursdays, leave early on fridays and don't work the whole weekend all the time. Is this true? [b]Do you think applying for London positions would make sense for me?[/b]

My ultimate goal is to land a job in corporate M&A or the Venture Capital arm of a big listed industrial company like Siemens, GE, EADS you name it. [b]Do you think firms like these take analysts straight out of university (if so, Bachelor or Master) or is M&A analyst experience required? I'm also thinking about Big4 M&A. Do you think this could bring me into a corporate M&A or corporate VC position in two or three years? What about strategy consulting at MBB or RB?[/b]

So... I'm looking for some advice, any advice. Sorry for the long post and the potential grammar mistakes (no native speaker here) but I would really really appreciate any comments.

 
Best Response

There's two issues here - the type of work and the lifestyle. Unfortunately they do tend to go hand in hand. You are quite fortunate though in that you seem to be getting some good exposure and some interesting work. You really need to consider whether having a job with work that you actually enjoy and get reasonably well paid to do is worth the sacrifices in terms of work-life balance. From what I've read, it seems like for you it isn't. It might be worth sticking it out for 2 years though so you have better chances to get into corporate M&A or VC as you mention.

Regarding London vs Frankfurt - London probably has worse hours but it entirely depends on the bank / group. During my internship at a top tier BB I was working 7am - midnight every day and came in at least one day over the weekend, but I also knew people who would do 9am - 3am every single day and both weekends. Some smaller places tend to be a bit better (i.e. 60-70 hours a week). The good thing about London though is that Friday finishes ARE respected (at least in UK-focussed groups). Every single Friday we would go for drinks at about 5-6pm (and then back to the office to send off any last minute emails).

I am also doing a long-term internship in M&A at a bank in Frankfurt right now, and in my opinion the lifestyle really depends on the bank/group. While I also had my fair share of all-nighters and working weekends, it certainly isnt always the case at my bank.

Furthermore, whether all-nighters and weekends are painful also depends a lot on the ppl u work with. Obviously I would also prefer to go home earlier, but thanks to my colleagues working nights and weekends is actually kinda fun.

With regard to London I can tell you from what I know from our London office that hours definitely arent better. Ppl sometimes do go home earlier, but only to work from home via remote access.

Anyway, send me a PM if u ever want to grab a drink.

 

Thanks for the helpful comments and the private messages guys, I really appreciate all your help!

@Asatar: Yes I know that I'm in a pretty decent position in terms of exposure, I work on awesome deals, the people are cool to work with and I rarely do any regular bullshit intern work. I'm actually willing to make some sacrifices in terms of work-life balance, but what I'm having at the momentn isn't a sacrifice, it's more of a total cut of my "life". But yeah, I'm not completely set on leaving banking behind, because - like I said - I enjoy the work and it would put me in a very decent position in terms of exit opps or any future opportunities. And thanks for the insights about London, although I really heard that their hours are better. I guess it also comes down in what group at what bank you are placed. But the bank that I'm at is said to be "leaner" and more chill than f.e. the US top BBs, but I can hardly think of a worse lifestyle.

@KingEastwood: Don't get me wrong, the people are nice, much better than I expected. The work is pretty awesome too and I'm ok with pulling the long nights all the time. But the weekend work is just ridiculous, I didn't have a day off in months and I just got back from my sunday work day (just pointless..). One day of on weekends would make life considerably better imo, but that's just not the case at the moment. I'm also a very career driven, hard working person, but I just need a life outside the office as well. Don't want to sound whiny but a little bit of life wouldn't hurt for me ;-) I will pm you for drinks anytime soon, cheers!

@BTBanker: I'm not complaining about the lack of sleep or something, it's not that I'm tired all the time and just feel bad. I'm totally okay with the amount of sleep and I'm still in shape (although I rarely manage to hit the gym at the moment), but there should be a little bit more outside of the office than 6 hours of sleep.

Anyways, thank you all, I really appreciate your comments!

Asatar:
PlusMinus:
there should be a little bit more outside of the office than 6 hours of sleep.

You could do 4 hours sleep and 2 hours socialising?

IBD as an analyst is basically no social life. Your existence to friends and family is limited (at best) to Friday nights and some weekends. That's just a fact of the job.

Yeah, socialising at 2am..

Can anyone comment on the Consulting alternative? What about weekends in consulting? I don't mind working a weekend or two when the shit hits the fan, but consistently working on the weekend (like a normal working day) isn't exactly what I want.

So it's safe to say, that London hours aren't better than the hours in continental europe?

Thanks again

 

To be honest, slightly riskier, but maybe join an industry group (Tech since you're alluding to Siemens). Here is why.

  1. You can make sure the group does M&A
  2. Hours likely a bit lighter if you do your homework on the firm (maybe 1 day per weekend)
  3. It sets you up for a corporate M&A gig after your two years, if you did XYZ industry M&A deals then you could jump into that industry role at a name brand firm and be part of that division

Now another way to do it would be to go into transactional service... But since you are able to do the job, highly recommend you do not do that.

Finally, another angle would be to work in M&A at a satellite office, again likely less hours same work (this is another general statement of course if you work in a sweatshop satellite you are f'd). Overall you want to try and clear out 1 day per weekend for the 2 year stint.

To be honest it sounds like you are cut out for the job so would recommend fishing out an industry group with decent M&A or moving to a satellite with M&A. The 2 years sets you up to pretty much be employable for the next 10 years because its a badge of honor of sorts.

Finally, sounds like you are either at a sever sweatshop or are still ramping up excel/word/ppt speed. Sounds like a sweatshop from your post, so be careful in assuming all banks are like that (they absolutely are not) and when you interview for a different bank, which you should do ASAP if not now, talk directly with analysts about hours.

 
WallStreetPlayboys:
To be honest, slightly riskier, but maybe join an industry group (Tech since you're alluding to Siemens).

If you have the chance to pick the group, you should probably focus on Diversified Industrials. Where I used to intern, that team covered all the companies you named (Siemens, GE, EADS). Note that, if you want to stay in Germany, GE has its EMEA HQ in Italy. Adidas, which is in Germany, has a strong business development team so maybe Consumer & Retail experience may also work. However, since it's Germany, I would go with Diversified Industrial over any other group.

WallStreetPlayboys:
Finally, another angle would be to work in M&A at a satellite office,
He already is a satellite office. Agree about trying to find another bank/product/industry group.
I'm grateful that I have two middle fingers, I only wish I had more.
 

Should have read that post more in depth, then simply switch banks is really the answer here. Find one related to companies mentioned and when you interview to switch banks be sure to talk to analysts about hours without coming off as lazy.

That's pretty much it, avoiding the 2 years is usually a bad idea for job prospects down the line. Leverage your full-time role and interview like crazy.

 

"I actually enjoy the work I do, the valuation, the research, the presentations and my bank regularly gives strategic advice to CEOs, CFOs"

This line is especially funny. The fact that you think CEOs are taking action because of your research or your MD's pitch is comical. They are only doing something because they already wanted to do it. You are "helping" them accomplish what they wanted to do because of the relationship your bank/MD holds with that client.

I don't even dislike banking, but if you have the slightest doubt about not wanting to do IB FT, you shouldn't. Get that FT offer and leverage to something you like.

 

I would recommend you check out boutique and MM banks. Some of them definitely have better work-life balances than the BBs and elites. The deals you work on will rarely make the front page, but at least you get to have friends.

The hard part is differentiating the boutique sweatshops that are constantly pitching from the ones that are well-connected in their industries and can cut out a lot of the useless pitchbook exercises by not competing in bakeoffs.

 

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