Top business schools of smaller countries
How would you guys see a job applicant who has studied at a top university of a smaller country? I'm currently studying for a bachelors degree in Aalto university school of business which is the best college in Finland and I'm debating if I should apply somewhere else for master's. Aalto is most likely not a school the recruiters at MBBs/investment banks would recognize in the states or in the UK. Do you think this would be a huge disadvantage for me or do you have any other thoughts on the topic?
I know there are lot's of other things that are probably even more important than where you went to school but because it's hard to find any information on this I would really appreciate any and all comments.
1) Aalto is ok 2) For London IBD, I would recommend Hanken over Aalto, but for MBB in Helsinki it doesn't really matter
What year are you in, and did you get onto the rahis program?
Thanks for your answer.
I just completed my first year but the decision of choosing where to go for master's is already getting close since I only have 1 year left at Aalto + 6 months to do a minor on "studies abroad". The bachelor's program is usually 3 years long (but seeing you use the word "rahis" I think it is fair to guess you're from Finland and already knew that).
I'm still waiting for the final results on whether I'm accepted onto the finance program or not, but I will be accepted unless if I screwed up my last two exams.
Also, I checked out your profile on this forum and based on what I saw I've got to say that you seem to have quite a career ahead of you. Did you attend Aalto or Hanken? Would it be okay with you if I PM'd you sometime in the future if I happen to need "quick-to-answer" career advise? Of course you might already be inactive in this forum at that time but I'm sure you get the point.
1) Good luck with getting it, it's the only program worth attending 2) Engage in KY Finance, they have all the connections, and necessary information 3) I go to neither Hanken nor Aalto, attending the only real target in the Nordics ;)
You can take a gap year after your B.Sc. and get relevant experience under your belt. MBBs do recruit people without Master's degrees even in Helsinki and I would assume two years at any of those consultancies would prepare you well for US MBA admission processes. We have alumni who have done MBA at Harvard or Master's at Princeton with Aalto B.Sc. so the school brand won't hold you down. Aalto places well to London IB so you can try to apply already the upcoming fall for summer 2018 positions if you have top GPA.
Hopefully you got in the rahis-programme, I think the results are out now. PM if you want more info, otherwise try KY Finance which has excellent people who can help you.
Hi, is your program international in Mikkeli Campus? If that's the case, we are the same. I hope we can communicate about some career development problems.
Which Business School is best from an international Stand point for an M.Sc in Finance ??? (Originally Posted: 12/17/2013)
Hello, I'm form India and i would like to know which pre-experience Masters program has the best standing internationally. Form what I've already seen HEC Paris, LSE and LBS seem to be the best places to study from, HEC having the official lead in Listings. Though in those listings LSE and LBS don't even seem to show up, most people seem to say that these Schools are better and i understand why, HEC seems to have a good local placement which ends up placing it at the top of the list. But however, it would seem odd that LSE and LBS wont even show up in the rankings.
I'm at the Helsinki (Espoo) campus. Feel free to message me at any point in case you feel so!
Hi there!
Firstly, to clear the confusion: the reason why LBS doesn't show up is because the MSF program there is post-experience (2 years was needed I believe). There is a reason for LSE not showing up which I don't know but there is good one :)
Looking at rankings doesn't help, I wouldn't do it, it could even be detrimental. You need to know what you want and find a program that has put a lot of people there where you want to go. So the first two questions to ask yourself is: 1. What field of finance am I aiming for? 2. Which city would I like to work in?
Lets say you want to work in IBD in London. The best schools for this are: 1. Oxford 2. Cambridge 3. LSE 4. Imperial 5. Warwick 6. HEC Paris 7. SSE 8. Bocconi (9. St Gallen - quite German specific though. Read extra from here: //www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/st-gallen-has-terrible-prospects-for-non…)
So 8-9 schools all together. All other schools are more of a long shot and in a lot of cases not worth the money.
And finally to answer your questions (all the three questions have the same answer, really) There are really two big brand names in Europe that are known internationally the most: Oxford and Cambridge. But in the end, the recruiting is quite regional, so when you want to work in the US, go to a US school and if in London, go to one of the before mentioned ones, Know what you want.
My $0.02...
Thank you for your reply..... i would like to put my needs in this way... since i still dont know exactly which field of finance do my strengths lie in as i am a fresher, i'd really like to keep the course field a little more open in career options, yet not sacrifice the chance in-depth knowledge about the field. In short, "complete knowledge of the financial system's workings"
No one in their right mind would take someone from Imperial/Warwick or even LSE over someone from HEC.
And the "UK" argument does not hold considering the incredible amount of graduates from French schools working in the City.
Just to make it clear, I wasn't ranking them but just listed the schools that I have understood could provide the best placement opportunities. HEC is up there, definitely. "Jet's" question is quite valid, as I have understood that many of the French grand ecoles place well for the french speaking roles but for an international student some of the lesser schools in France might be a bad investment compared to the top UK schools. All in all, if you want to do a masters, apply to places, then wait for offers, then post the offers on WSO and get some ideas about them. It is hard to comment beforehand.
^^Can you comment on how many of those are French/Europeans (speak at least 1 European language + English and don't need Visa sponsorship) vs non-French/non-European from French schools now working in London?
I think jaan1 gave you a pretty good list here. I'd add RSM at the lower end of the top10 and would also throw in IE in Madrid.
However, if you want a broad program and be close to potential employers, I think LSE would be the best, then Oxbridge, then any of the other schools (some being broader in their curriculum than others) but that's something you can decide on once you get actual offers.
If you're going to do a Master's, the MFin/MSc in Finance from Oxford, Cambridge, Bocconi, HEC Paris, etc. will put you in a good position for a variety of finance roles in Europe.
Top International B-Schools (Originally Posted: 07/13/2012)
What are considered to be the most reputable, and/or recognizable b-schools outside the U.S.?
London Business School and INSEAD are the top two by a large margin.
the rest aren't globally recognizable so i won't name any.
Not true. IMD, HEC Paris, IE, IESE are all very well regarded in Europe. However, placement would mostly centered around EMEA with minority of students going to North America or Asia pacific.
McGill, LBS, INSEAD, HEC Paris.
If you want to do Masters programs, LSE, Bocconi, Oxford, are also very good. Oxford and Cambridge have MBA programs too but I wouldn't put it up there.
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