Tricky situation

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I need some help here: I still talk to the recruiter that helped me find my current job and it turns out they have started handling more FO roles. When I first went to the recruiter, I had been referred by a friend, and the recruiter's partner was long time friends with my current MD. It's been two years, and I made it from clerical work to the sales part of the group. Fast forward to now: I'd like to move to ER, and the recruiter I've kept in touch with just asked if I'd like to be considered for research roles. If nothing else, I'll stay where I am until bschool, but I'd really prefer to work in ER (my first internship was ER and I liked the work much better than what I'm doing now).

Summary: I'm trying to use the recruiter that got me my current job to get me a different job, but they talk to my current boss and I have no idea how to approach this.

Anyone have any ideas? How do I make this work? Is this doable?

 
JamesHetfield:
heister:
Slip the recruiter a few benjamins to keep this on the down low.

Stop being a dick.

Not being a dick, totally serious. If you are so thick as to think that this is not how deals get done you need to find a new industy.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 
heister:
Slip the recruiter a few bananas to keep this on the down low.

Fixed that for you.

In seriousness though, if the recruiter is on retainer by other firms and/or is searching for roles for them for candidates for research roles, wouldn't there be legal issues limiting them from discussing the hiring processes of the other companies?

I also agree with the above mentioned position that the MD would have to learn to be cool with it. You are your own person, not their slave - just don't make an issue of it. But then again, I have no idea of what your MD is like, and he may attempt to ruin your life?

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FinancialNoviceII:
Does your recruiter not understand conflict of interests? Get him/her an ethics book.
They haven't solicited me, it just came up in conversation and when I asked if they do research they said yes and asked if I want to be notified of openings. Is this recruiter off limits to me forever?
Get busy living
 
UFOinsider:
FinancialNoviceII:
Does your recruiter not understand conflict of interests? Get him/her an ethics book.
They haven't solicited me, it just came up in conversation and when I asked if they do research they said yes and asked if I want to be notified of openings. Is this recruiter off limits to me forever?

I wouldnt think so. Its their job to align candidates with the right positions. If its the right position and a step in the right direction, I would go for it. The MD ought to understand, but if he doesnt fuck him. Honestly, I find it very unlikely the recruiter will even mention it to the MD, as I'm sure they're aware of the stakes, with both their reps and yours. Good luck with what you decide.

 

What is your relationship with your MD like? Can you just disclose your search and be honest with him since you are looking for a pretty legitimate reason. Can you lateral to research at your current firm? Assuming you would like to stay there?

If the recruiter is open to keeping you in mind for other positions won't it be a given that he wouldn't ruin any relationship with your MD? I imagine a professional recruit must be pretty good at managing relationships within the industry.

 

Mention to the recruiter that you would like to keep your search highly confidential as any leaks could mean you don't have a job anymore in this economy. Most HHs understand and respect privacy concerns such as yours. Also, remember the recruiter gets paid if you're able to convert this opportunity into an actual offer. It would be in his/her best interests to help you out discretely, even in a situation like this.

 
txjustin:
Isn't your 2 years coming to an end soon? If so, then why does it matter if your MD finds out?

It is called not burning bridges.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 
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txjustin:
I know that, but if he is going to be without a job soon, then how is that burning a bridge?

Now, I may be totally off base with his situation.

I'm welcome to stay another year and there's talk of promoting me...and I'm extremely happy about this. This group isn't really into tossing people out the door in two years if they're good and tend to promote from within. When they told me this, I planned to stay here until grad school, and would like a recommendation from these guys. Thing is, my first choice was ER and I might have a shot at it but don't want to screw up my situation here. I'm digressing further and further.

The goal here is to get access to the recruiter's jobs without giving the impression that I'm in any way unhappy with my current job. I don't feel that just saying this is the best move. It's not like a job is a spouse: I'm free to leave at any time with no strings attached, and will train my replacement on the way out the door. The reason for my paranioa is that recruiters can't be trusted beyond a certain rudimentary point, and I want to spin this beforehand so that if they're evil and/or stupid and my boss finds out then the story can become that the recruiter is the one who put me in a bad position by misunderstanding my intention.

What's a good excuse to look at / apply to other jobs? Can I say I'm just curious to see if I'd get hired?

Get busy living
 
UFOinsider:
txjustin:
I know that, but if he is going to be without a job soon, then how is that burning a bridge?

Now, I may be totally off base with his situation.

I'm welcome to stay another year and there's talk of promoting me...and I'm extremely happy about this. This group isn't really into tossing people out the door in two years if they're good and tend to promote from within. When they told me this, I planned to stay here until grad school, and would like a recommendation from these guys. Thing is, my first choice was ER and I might have a shot at it but don't want to screw up my situation here. I'm digressing further and further.

The goal here is to get access to the recruiter's jobs without giving the impression that I'm in any way unhappy with my current job. I don't feel that just saying this is the best move. It's not like a job is a spouse: I'm free to leave at any time with no strings attached, and will train my replacement on the way out the door. The reason for my paranioa is that recruiters can't be trusted beyond a certain rudimentary point, and I want to spin this beforehand so that if they're evil and/or stupid and my boss finds out then the story can become that the recruiter is the one who put me in a bad position by misunderstanding my intention.

What's a good excuse to look at / apply to other jobs? Can I say I'm just curious to see if I'd get hired?

Horrible idea to tell the recruiter you are just curious and want to see if you can get hired - that essentially makes you a waste of his time. I have come across good and bad recruiters in the past, but I would presume that any recruiter with FO jobs is very good about confidentiality of you job search and this is really a non-issue.

That being said, it could be an issue in terms of the fee he got for placing you in your current job - it may prohibit the same recruiter from placing you elsewhere for some time period (6m - 2yrs I would think). But given that he is working with you, this is probably not the case.

 

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