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Is that your hope for 2024?

I’d actually prefer DeSantis for president over VP with Trump. 

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F that. DeSantis maybe. I will be genuinely pissed if Trump gets renominated. The guy is a menace. He has cost the GOP the House, Senate, White House, a bunch of state/local seats, and, worst of all, his terrible post-election behavior provided the Left the premise they were seeking for *years* to unleash the floodgates of censorship. He has been horrible for the Republican Party. Horrible. 

As someone who attended CPAC in the early 2010s, the CPAC "golden" statue of Trump is close to the last straw with me and the Trump wing of the GOP. You couldn't possibly have produced a better propaganda piece for the enemy than that. And you know what? The detractors aren't wrong on the idolatry.

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Fellow Republican here. I get it. Trump's a cancer, but what do we do? The party still embraces him and barring populist anti-free trade crap, Trump checks most boxes on policy points. I live in SoFlo, voted for DeSantis, and am so so happy with his leadership! 2020 has reinforced the importance of who your local and state governments are. Screw lockdowns and 'equity and inclusion' terrorism. Never supporting a Democrat ever again and if that means another vote for the big cheeto, then so be it!

 

Trump served an important purpose, but I don't think he should run again. A DeSantis-led ticket would have my vote in a heartbeat though. Florida is going to have one of the best economic tailwinds coming out of Covid thanks to how he managed things. I'm also a fan of his stances against the IRS, taxes on social security benefits, and his support in auditing the Fed.

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Nah. Trump needs to retire. Even when he has good points, his execution is abysmal. De Santis seems to be fine. Anyone willing to treat liberals with the same content and dehumanization they have for conservatives is a good pick.

Doubt he can win anyway. The Us are currently less free than Russia

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.
 

Trump is not a conservative; hes a Republican. Should be RPAC not CPAC. I totally get what you mean about not laying down for the otherside, but we need a conservative value driven Republican not someone willing to engage in an endless war with AOC and demonize immigrants. I had hope for hawley until he started pandering election fraud nonsense to the retard section of the base. There are so many intelligent Republicans running for office i don’t see why they all need to stoop down to the trailer park trash of the party. Im ranting here but its not hard to make intelligent conservative policy without brining in all the fear mongering and racial dog whistling

 

LickTheFrog

Trump is not a conservative; hes a Republican. Should be RPAC not CPAC. I totally get what you mean about not laying down for the otherside, but we need a conservative value driven Republican not someone willing to engage in an endless war with AOC and demonize immigrants. I had hope for hawley until he started pandering election fraud nonsense to the retard section of the base. There are so many intelligent Republicans running for office i don't see why they all need to stoop down to the trailer park trash of the party. Im ranting here but its not hard to make intelligent conservative policy without brining in all the fear mongering and racial dog whistling

Except that this ventures into No True Scotsman territory.  And badly, I might add.  Because if your division of "conservative" vs "Republican" is true, then there are almost no conservatives in this country.  That is what Mr Trump has exposed so badly.  Decades of dog whistle politics and demonizing immigrants, of equating anything that sniffs of caring about your fellow citizens as "socialism" or "communism" has driven the concept of what used to be called "conservatives" to the brink of extinction.  Half of self-identified Republicans would rather get rid of democracy than see their candidate lose.  The fact that like 8 or 9 in 10 "conservatives" in this country approve of Mr Trump's job performance, which was based far more around identity politics and directing anger at non-whites and non-Christians, and don't seem to care about the unbelievably irresponsible and illiberal fiscal policies, kind of shows you that Republicans are mainly white nationalists voting their grievances and identity, and not traditional "conservatives" looking for smaller government and fiscal responsibility.  If they ever existed.

 

harden4mvp

I don't think a 78 year old trump would be good for anyone

Biden is 78 right now. And honestly I think Trump is a machine. He has energy levels of people decades younger than him. I’m not saying I want Trump as Commander in Chief again, but I doubt his age will be much of a factor. 

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harden4mvp

I don't think a 78 year old trump would be good for anyone

Biden is 78 right now. And honestly I think Trump is a machine. He has energy levels of people decades younger than him. I'm not saying I want Trump as Commander in Chief again, but I doubt his age will be much of a factor. 

What do you base this on?  As far as anyone has ever reported or even rumored, all Trump does is play golf and tweet and watch Fox and Friends.  That's not an "energy level of people decades younger than him."  That's about exactly what any 70-85 year old guy is doing - far less in some cases.  I mean, I guess the tweeting is unusual...

The point being, people say all these things about Trump and how much he gets done and how effective he is, despite absolutely no evidence to that effect.  He's very good at motivating himself for a photo opportunity and not much else.  For all the crap the right gave Obama, Trump did far less governing and far more golfing.  I'm not saying Biden is a model of youthful vigor or anything... but all the things people complain about with him, are also equally evident in Mr Trump.

 

WorldsGr8estKid

My preference would be:

President - Ron Desantis

VP - Josh Hawley or Mike Pompeio

Donald Trump can still play an important role as an advisor.

Hawley would bring down the ticket. He has all the controversial baggage of Trump, but none of the charisma.

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BBDreamin

he really turned me off with the "stolen election" shit. Can't stand sore losers.

Completely agree - it was pissing me off that he wouldn’t come to terms with the result. I honestly didn’t think Trump was too bad until this point. After this point, he seemed borderline delusional. And I hate sore losers.

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BBDreamin

he really turned me off with the "stolen election" shit. Can't stand sore losers.

Completely agree - it was pissing me off that he wouldn't come to terms with the result. I honestly didn't think Trump was too bad until this point. After this point, he seemed borderline delusional. And I hate sore losers.

I truly don’t understand people that claim this. Trump was the exact same person for all four years. He even claimed there was massive voter fraud when he won in 2016 which caused him to lose the popular vote. You guys weren’t paying attention. 

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BBDreamin

he really turned me off with the "stolen election" shit. Can't stand sore losers.

Completely agree - it was pissing me off that he wouldn't come to terms with the result. I honestly didn't think Trump was too bad until this point. After this point, he seemed borderline delusional. And I hate sore losers.

This is what we call a state of denial.  Mr Trump neither changed nor evolved in his years in office.  The man was peddling conspiracy theories ten years ago.  He was claiming electoral fraud in an election he won in 2016.  If you think this was the tipping point, then you haven't been paying any attention at all.  This reaction and this result was absolutely predictable.  The man who has spent more time peddling conspiracies to his supporters and encouraging them to acts of violence than actually governing, the man who has consistently put his ego ahead of the good of the country, decided that undermining confidence in our election systems and aiding and abetting a coup attempt was a good idea?  Who could have seen that coming!?!?!?  

 

Hell yeah boys let's put Trump back in business. The one time he had a crisis only <500,000 Americans died. The moment they falsely put Biden in the Oval Office, BAM, over 500,000 Americans died. When Trump cums back as the 19th President of the US on March 4th, this virus will go away for sure, and Dow hit record highs with 100,000 by end of 2021. Ya better believe it

 

DeSantis to me seems like a better version of Trump. Also, VPs are usually different from their presidents, so a DeSantis/Trump ticket seems superfluous. In my opinion, a ticket with a Sasse/Hogan/Haley and a Cotton/DeSantis type (Pres/VP position could go either way) would be more likely. That being said, a lot can happen in 4 years. There have been times when people thought Rudy Giuliani and Jeb Bush could get a spot on a ticket, and that just seems silly in hindsight.

I’m a fun guy. Obviously I love the game of basketball. I mean there’s more questions you have to ask me in order for me to tell you about myself. I'm not just gonna give you a whole spill... I mean, I don't even know where you're sitting at
 

Yeah, DeSantis played baseball at Yale and was in the Navy JAG Corps. Pretty solid. 

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

Yep, SO much can change in 2-4 years. Odds are DeSantis is nowhere near the conversation come summer 2023 when the primary season begins. But it's nice to talk about a new person. It's been a while.

I personally would like a Haley/Rubio ticket, but it's been demonstrated time and again that I am totally disconnected from the wider GOP base, so my pick ain't happening. I think DeSantis has been wonderful the last year, but he scary reminds me of Trump. I just feel like his personality will rile up the hysteric opposition and it will be another miserable, hate-filled campaign season where personality trumps (ha!) any discussion of issues.

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Trump's gonna run again because of his ego. He will most likely be the Republican nominee in 2024. No one wants to challenge that guy. He's the equivalent of cancel culture for the right. If you speak out or run against him, he will publicly tear you apart and his millions of followers will agree with him. Just look what he did to Mitt Romney. No one wants to go against that.

 

While I completely disagree with Facebook, Twitter, et al's censoring of Trump, I think it will ultimately be to the conservative movement's benefit. Trump is still influential today. But he's been out of office for, like, 40 days with no platform to speak. Wait until it's 400 days with no Twitter, Facebook etc. I think, given time, his influence will wane. 

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While I completely disagree with Facebook, Twitter, et al's censoring of Trump, I think it will ultimately be to the conservative movement's benefit. Trump is still influential today. But he's been out of office for, like, 40 days with no platform to speak. Wait until it's 400 days with no Twitter, Facebook etc. I think, given time, his influence will wane. 

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No, I think that Big Tech censoring ironically helps Trump because scarcity will make him more valuable. Now that we have a break from him, people who like Trump will want him more. Then when he comes out of nowhere in 2023 with his entertainer-in-chief persona, the crowd will eat him up. It'll be like Dave Chapelle returning to comedy after a decade-long break. I could be wrong though.

 

DeSantis with a VP for 2024. A candidate who brings the Trump-excitement factor with more bipartisanship and a better national image. Running Trump again is political suicide for the GOP. DeSantis-Rubio or Haley would make both sides happy, and supplement Ron with someone more familiar with Washington..

 

DeSantis should not run with him. Trump is going to ruin things for republicans, which is why I wanted him to be impeached so he couldn't run again. I don't see the point of splintering the party. Need to have a win in the next 100 years so we're not paying 70% FIT. 

I voted for Trump both times and this election stealing shit was really dumb. Also, he is actively trying to ruin the Republican party. Democrats are so much better at politics, they ran a clinic this last election. Republicans need to start playing the game better. 

 

I voted for Trump both times and this election stealing shit was really dumb. Also, he is actively trying to ruin the Republican party. Democrats are so much better at politics, they ran a clinic this last election. Republicans need to start playing the game better. 

Except Mr Trump ran in 2020 on the entire premise that the election would be stolen from him.  He was saying that from the word "go".  It's cowardly and despicable for you to distance yourself from his coup attempt if you voted for him, because any intelligent and rational observer could have told you that if Mr Trump lost the election, he'd call on his cult supporters to resort to violence to keep him in power.  And if you don't think it's a cult, you didn't watch CPAC where there was a literal golden idol of the man... doubly amusing coming from the party of "Christian values".  And if you didn't think he'd call for violence, then you haven't been listening to his speeches for the last five years.

Democrats ran a shit campaign, the same way they have pretty much every year for the last twenty except 2012 when they had an incumbent President with a good idea of what he was doing to lead the charge.  It's just hard to imagine a worse candidate that Donald Trump.  We already knew most of the country hated him from 2016, and given that his record as POTUS was one of abysmal failure to deliver on campaign promises plus an unending stream of scandal and corruption, it wasn't hard to imagine that the few thousands voters who held their nose and voted for him because they hated the comic-book villain Hillary Clinton had been painted with, would turn around and vote for the safe, moderate right older white man running against him.

I hope Mr Trump runs again, from inside a jail cell, so we can be given further proof of the reality that the Republican Party has no morals, no principles, and no policies beyond "own the libs."  Can thank the late Mr Limbaugh for that; thank god that shitstain has shuffled off this mortal coil.

 

Uhh lol....How did the democrats run a shit campaign? It was absolutely masterful. They exploited BLM situation, made it seem like COVID wouldn't exist if they were in office, etc. They ran a really solid campaign. 

Most importantly: they were able to hide Joe Biden for obvious reasons. He hardly campaigned or spoke and when he did they were able to have the media bury it. These are not negatives, in the political realm they ran a very solid campaign. 

 

Crazy that there still people which have good jobs and most likely consider themselves smart that are still pushing for Trump

Guess that mania over the past 4 years wasn't enough

 

"Haha, people in finance must be smart!" You realize that this industry is like 50% privileged people who broke in on connections, the prep school they attended, and access to daddy's money right?

I was an analyst at BX not in the main PE group, so Tac Ops/Infra/GSO. Ever look at the kids from Harvard who were/are analysts at Blackstone on LinkedIn? Literally all of them went to top prep schools like Exeter/Andover/Choate or top public psuedo-prep schools like Stuyvesant and Thomas Jefferson. The high school you went to is a great way to identify your socioeconomic background and all these fuckers came from insane backgrounds. Shit's insane.

 

I very carefully picked my words and posted "people which consider themselves smart", not what you made out of it

Was rather an appeal to our rising superstars working on towards daddy's career

 

Trikolon

Crazy that there still people which have good jobs and most likely consider themselves smart that are still pushing for Trump

Guess that mania over the past 4 years wasn't enough

A long time ago, I made a comment suggesting that people here are smart.  One guy commented, " you got that wrong buddy."

 

To all these Republicans who were fine with Trump until he cost you the House, Senate, and the stain of January 6th - you bought the ticket, now it's time you ride the ride! The GOP needs to be burned to the ground so a sensible center right can emerge from the ashes. Even golden child DeSantis is too Trumpian - look at this pathetic campaign video he cut. Have some self respect.

"I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people."
 

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