Trump permanently suspended from Twitter
Roger Stone, Mike Flynn and Sidney $1.8 billion Powell have also been suspended (temporarily?)
Sad it took 5 people dying but I’ll take it
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But you're ok with China promoting concentration camps on twitter.... nice man. You have an absolutely dialed in moral compass.
First they came for Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulous and I said nothing....
Then the world became a better place, Fredo.
Sorry to insult your BFF but Alex Jones is a nut who is actually dangerous
Twitter is a private company and can do whatever the fuck it wants within the law. They probably think Trump's use of the Twitter platform is a danger to the US citizens and they are right.
Lol, a danger to US citizens? But this is a ridiculous take
Were have you been for the past week?
I agree that twitter can ban people since it’s a private company. However, don’t you think this too is dangerous? Censoring people because you feel they’re dangerous isn’t at all inline with free speech. Trump has never incited violence, while his rhetoric can be questionable at times, I don’t think he’s ever actually said anything that would fall outside the scope of the 1st amendment.
These were his last 2 tweets:
“The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!”
“To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.”
He was practically praising them (and for the second time). He didn’t even acknowledge the fallen police officer, only Pence did. The fuck is that.
Twitter gave their rationale here and while some of the assumptions are stretches, they aren’t completely off base: https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html
The last bullet point is the most concerning:
The first amendment is irrelevant here. Twitter and Facebook decided they do not want Trump's business. Owners of companies make business decisions all the time. Occasionally, I will make a decision that I do not want someone's business.
#1. Constitutional rights are only required to be granted by the federal government. They do not apply to the private sector. Do you consider the structure at your workplace to be a democracy? Lol, probably not.
#2. DJT and his supporters are masters at talking in innuendos. While DJT has never explicitly approved white supremecy, he has never genuinely denounced it either. What does that tell you? Silence can speak volumes. The TV speech that he made after the riot was so obviously forced (otherwise the 25th amendment would've probably been invoked right away). Did you see his off site reaction while the riot was going on? Did you see Don Trump Jr's reaction as the riot was going on? Did you note the comforting messages DJT gave his supporters before AND after the riot?
You don't need to be a genius to read in between the lines.
I agree that Twitter has the right to do this. However, I also find it funny that Twitter operates in one of the most unregulated sectors of the economy.
What I'm against at Twitter is this very hypocrisy: free markets for us; socialism for everyone else.
By the way, let my second sentence soak in a little and think about the inequalities in places like Silicon Valley in relation to that statement.
Actually, under Section 230, they can either exist as a publisher (think NYT, WSJ, etc.) or a public forum (Facebook, Reddit, etc.). Publishers are allowed to moderate what content they put out and what is posted, however, those categorized as forums are not allowed to have this kind of moderation. However, big tech has been allowed to play both sides of this, and as is referenced later, they are highly unregulated, which is very problematic.
Regardless of personal opinions on this, my first reaction is that this is no bueno for anyone, trump fans, democrats, liberals, whatever. The pendulum tends to swing harder on the bounceback. This deplatforming of a person who 48-49% of the country voted for is extremely shortsighted. Hopefully things don't escalate further, but yikes this is not a good look.
BREAKING: After pledging fealty to reformist Politburo member Biden, US social network Twitter suspends the account of outgoing regime strongman Trump in a move analysts believe could further antagonize his supporters.
BREAKING: It appears the social network Parler - closely affiliated with supporters of outgoing US regime strongman Trump - may have been shut down by its cloud provider, awscloud.
Yet nothing is done about Chinese communist officials bragging about concentration camps.
If Trump was right about one thing, it is that if he loses, China wins.
Leftist told us to "Make your own version of Twitter". So we did that with Parler. Now Apple is threatening to remove it.
If Trump's tweets incites violence, then almost every Democrat would be responsible for the violence, riots and looting last year. Hey they even bailed out many rioters.
Many Liberals will support Twitter's decision to ban Trump but little do they know, they will be next in line to be censored. Twitter primarily serves "the mainstream left" being the "typical corporate liberal" who supports BLM while never acknowledging China; loves equality but lobbies against affordable housing; and is against gentrification but continually turns predominantly black areas into hippy towns.
The far left being those who support Occupy Wall Street, splitting Big Tech & Amazon, and actual wealth distribution away from the elites, will be the next in line to be censored by the media.
There is a WORLD of difference between conservatives and Qanon Parler users. Never thought I’d see the latter on WSO (other than neink of course)
Fuck outta here...
neink
You must not believe in free markets and capitalism. Twitter and Facebook made business decisions that they do not want Trump's business.
Freedom of speech does not mean you wont get your ass kicked. Freedom of speech does not mean you wont get kicked out of the club. Freedom of speech does not mean she wont throw her drink at you. Freedom of speech does not mean Twitter wont tell you to fuck off.
Exactly. By all means, say absolutely whatever you want to say at any moment. I don’t care. But when those same words have consequences, you can’t pretend it’s all of a sudden a freedom of speech issue.
That’s like going up to a group of Mexicans in East LA and saying “I fucking hate sp*cs” and in turn they beat your ass, while you claim “freedoms of speech”. Doesn’t work like that.
Yes, a private organization choosing who can participate on their platform based on their beliefs being in conflict with that person's/organization's beliefs is exactly part of what the First Amendment is. Arguing against that is quite literally arguing for the antithesis of the First Amendment because you are arguing for the infringement of the freedom of speech of that private organization.
If you want to argue that Twitter is anticompetitive or that it's morally wrong that they banned Trump, that's a separate argument but many people seem to be conflating America's laws with their values.
Now to expand on that, why can't a business discriminate against someone based off of their race, gender, sexuality or even religion if that's the belief of the business? Because the Constitution also gives every citizen the right to general welfare and freedom of opportunity, and someone who's barred from going to the supermarket or applying to the same job based off of something they were born into cannot attain that same freedom of opportunity within society.
Filipino presidents out there choppin off heads of folks for smoking a doobie. He still gets to tweet
Yeah but the people who work at Twitter (the SWE guy from your high school who came out as bi at a school assembly) don’t know or care
I think it depends on how he behaves on Twitter rather than in real life.
They can do whatever they want. If this means more $$$ for them, they’re likely to do it
They can do whatever they want. If this means more $$$ for them, they’re likely to do it
David Sachs posted an interesting blog post about section 230 and how it should be changed to reflect the first amendment rather than its current "otherwise objectionable" form which gives broad powers to the tech companies. This would make censorship decisions easy based on 1st amendment supreme court precedence. In defense of the removal of Trump's account, I would argue his tweets and rally leading up to the events of Wednesday incited unlawful actions, something that is not protected under the first amendment.
So many dumbass Trump voters who will stick by him regardless of what he does. Its actually appalling. Like little sheep who lost the ability to think for themselves. Saw a poster above who said “trump never said anything outside the realm of free speech.” Give me a fuckin break. He said before that he could go out and shoot someone and they’ll still love me, and he was right. He got you all as little cult-followers who don’t know how to differentiate between right from wrong when it comes to your supreme leader, DJT. And to take it further, also don’t know how to differentiate between legal and illegal. You think calling state secretaries (of your own dam party) to change or find votes, so that he can overturn a presidential election and stop whining about him fairly losing is legal. You think inciting violence with his lackeys to go impede a democratic process is legal. It’s because of idiots like you who’ve lost the ability to reason with truth, that we’re here. Go break the law like your Proud Boys brothers/sisters, white nationalist kindred, so you could lose your right to vote. We don’t need it, you and your vote are a burden to society.
I deleted my Twitter. Just couldn’t take the hypocrisy. I’ll be on here more because of it, but I’m looking for a substitute for Fintwit. Anybody have any ideas? Motley fool? While satirical, there were some good investing insights on fintwit.
How about all the people that talked violently about trump on Twitter. There have been assassination attempts against him. You hate trump and are biased, so of course you think his Twitter ban is justified. However, on the same reasoning, several people on the left should have been silenced for stoking the summer riots and nothing happened to them.
We can add you to the list of idiots. You’re equating a protest, to a treasonous, seditious offense. You think storming a federal building while armed (even had explosives there, 2 pipe bombs, 11 ready-to-go Molotov cocktails) is on par with rioters breaking windows of local businesses. You’ve been drinking the kook-aid as well.
I in no way support destroying or looting businesses. One is a federal offense that amounts to treason, the other doesn’t carry nearly the same weight. You’re alright with people flying confederate flags through the halls of Capitol Hill, and boasting t-shirts that support Hitler and call for more extermination? If so, you’re in the wrong country, we fought against such things and developed into a world power because we fully rejected such notions.
You wanna blame this on the left? That doesn’t work. And no, we didn’t get here because of Trump. He’s but 1 man, we got here because elected officials in congress let 1 man take over their party as they cowered in fear to stand up to him and let his lies fester into the minds of their constituents repeatedly. How many Pinocchio’s did the Washington Post give him? Pretty sure it broke 10k like early last year. They said after the 1st impeachment, he learned his lesson. Yeahhh... righttt.
Why can’t people like yourself just call a spade a spade. He and his goons, Giuliani, Sidney Powell etc called for trial by combat. And said that they’ll go with them. That’s what they did, but you wanna blame the left? Lay off the extremely far right news sources that spew actual fake news. Take a look in the mirror
Hey sorry I didn’t read all your garbage post because your first 3 or 4 sentences were completely false.
No pipe bombs were used, hardly any damage done, and sadly (but only one cop) was killed.
The capitol riot was not as bad as the Antifa/blm riots, cumulatively. People businesses were burned to the ground, items stolen, HUNDREDS of police officers injured, and several killed. Churches were burned, portlanders attempted to lock on cops and burn the buildings down. Random citizens and bystanders were targeted and intimidated. Friendly Trump rallies were targeted by Antifa where they hanged up on Trump supporter and fought like cowards. They surrounded Rand Paul in public and threatened to kill him and his wife, targeted Josh Hawley and Mitch Mcconels home, and even targeted one of their own (Nancy Pelosi).
At least the capitol rioters were directing their aggression in the right direction.
Learn your facts before you call someone an idiot.
Hey sorry I didn’t read all your garbage post because your first 3 or 4 sentences were completely false.
No pipe bombs were used, hardly any damage done, and sadly (but only one cop) was killed.
The capitol riot was not as bad as the Antifa/blm riots, cumulatively. People businesses were burned to the ground, items stolen, HUNDREDS of police officers injured, and several killed. Churches were burned, portlanders attempted to lock on cops and burn the buildings down. Random citizens and bystanders were targeted and intimidated. Friendly Trump rallies were targeted by Antifa where they hanged up on Trump supporter and fought like cowards. They surrounded Rand Paul in public and threatened to kill him and his wife, targeted Josh Hawley and Mitch Mcconels home, and even targeted one of their own (Nancy Pelosi).
At least the capitol rioters were directing their aggression in the right direction.
Learn your facts before you call someone an idiot.
Your party members surround Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham and pepper them with threats lol. You need to learn to separate BLM from Antifa and progressives from liberals, just like how all rifle-toting capitol rioters should be separated from conservatives. You should also learn to speak coherently before bumbling on about how you’re not an idiot.
also, here is a very lengthy video of the violent attack on Hawley’s home:
Truth hurts
Hey sorry I didn’t read all your garbage post because your first 3 or 4 sentences were completely false.
No pipe bombs were used, hardly any damage done, and sadly (but only one cop) was killed.
The capitol riot was not as bad as the Antifa/blm riots, cumulatively. People businesses were burned to the ground, items stolen, HUNDREDS of police officers injured, and several killed. Churches were burned, portlanders attempted to lock on cops and burn the buildings down. Random citizens and bystanders were targeted and intimidated. Friendly Trump rallies were targeted by Antifa where they hanged up on Trump supporter and fought like cowards. They surrounded Rand Paul in public and threatened to kill him and his wife, targeted Josh Hawley and Mitch Mcconels home, and even targeted one of their own (Nancy Pelosi).
At least the capitol rioters were directing their aggression in the right direction.
Learn your facts before you call someone an idiot.
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