Republican senators are neither patriots nor are they very bright. The republican party was just fine prior to Trump becoming POTUS and it would have received a big boost in popularity if they voted to convict. The republican senators are only worried about their chances for reelection, that is about it. Trump's legal team was a joke and an embarrassment to the legal profession but the spineless senators still voted to acquit. Now, these jellyfish will have to deal with Trump for the next four years. They could have cut ties with him by voting to convict.
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Democrats need to learn to live without Trump.
Despite winning the election (via questionable tactics), you sure don't act like you won it.
The impeachment trial was a massive sham to shift the focus away from those $2k stimulus checks they promised... oh wait... cough cough.... $1.4k.
81 million people voted for Biden yet he feels the need to lockdown Washington DC, build walls & fences and turn it into a militarized city filled with troops. Why are you so scared? If you indeed got 81 million votes then your supporters would come out and counter every conservative protest.
Maybe the Federal Reserve's money printing machine overheated hence the Dems needed to use this trial to buy some time for the Fed to fix it.
Also, just letting you and everyone on this forum know, pretending to be a Liberal in finance won't get you anywhere. Your seniors will not give you any extra respect or promote you based on your political views. So stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Just because Wall Street supported Biden does not mean you have to follow their every move.
Democrats need to move on and prepare Americans for the upcoming economic depression. The Federal Reserve's artificially low interest rates won't save America, and when the economy collapses, no one will blame Trump but will blame Biden and the Dems.
How many beers have had so far today?
You think he has a shot at 2024?
See here: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/trump-2024-election-fraud-and-th…
He could possibly win nomination if he replicates 2016 (fractured field, he has big plurality), but no freaking way he wins general election in 2024. Texas will turn blue and the Republican party will never win nationwide office again.
I would have supported impeachment generically had I been an elected official (and I'm a conservative) for generally terrible post-election behavior on Trump's part culminating in riots on Jan 6th, but the articles of impeachment were a sham. They accused Trump of a very specific legal charge--incitement to violence--against all the available evidence and against the fact that there is decades upon decades upon decades of legal precedent specifically defining what incitement to violence is. Trump didn't even remotely brush up against the legal line of incitement to violence. In 2020, a quarter of the Democratic party violated the "incitement" line that the Democrats laid down in their impeachment charge.
We've already established that impeachment isn't a legal proceeding, but a political proceeding, so why make a legal charge rather than a political charge? If you're going to make a legal charge then you need to back it up. The articles of impeachment should have been something like, "President Trump's behavior undermined the legitimacy of the democratic process in the U.S., ultimately resulting in a riot on the Capitol on January 6th. This could have been avoided had Trump behaved like Richard Nixon in 1960 or Al Gore in December 2000 after the ruling by the Supreme Court." That would have been a proper charge.
At this point I'm convinced that the Democrats didn't even want to get Trump impeached. They probably just wanted people getting mad at the Republicans so they can continue to win more elections. Otherwise, why would they word the charges against Trump as something that doesn't have much legal grounds? Like you said, the charges should have been worded differently. If they have done that, then Trump probably would have been impeached. This honestly sounds like a repeat of 2018 impeachment.
Back then, there were plenty of Republicans coming out and saying that the charges made by the Democrats were so myopic and that they would have voted to impeach Trump or at least consider it if the Democrats would not have been so myopic in their charges.
The Republican party is a shitshow full of hypocrites, cowards, and opportunists but so is the Democratic party. National politics is honestly so F***ed.
I hope things get better but am not too optimistic.
We've gotten to the point where in red and blue states you don't have to run against the other party you just have to decide how far away from moderate that you have to be.
I think the argument within the caucus was that there wasn't a chance in hell that Mr Trump was convicted, so why bother spending time and effort crafting the charges to be legally as accurate as possible?
As people as diverse as Senator Graham have pointed out, no actual crime need be committed to impeach and convict someone, and moreover, one can vote their conscience in an impeachment trial even if they think the specific charge is meritless, because again, this isn't a criminal case. If Mr McConnell thought that Mr Trump's actions were impeachable, but that the wording of the impeachment charge wasn't precise enough, absolutely nothing stopped him from voting to convict anyway.
Three weeks ago it was obvious that not enough Senate Republicans would have the courage to place their conscience before their careers, and that Mr Trump would be exonerated. I mean, look at the vote on the Constitutionality of the impeachment trial itself! There can be no question that Mr Trump was "impeachable" despite being a private citizen; that was a black and white "legal" question and yet you still saw 90% of the GOP vote that the law was unimportant in this case. Which was to be expected. Why should the Democrats spend time and political capital trying to convince their colleagues, who are already acting in bad faith?
Several Republicans, including Mr McConnell, stated their hypothetical willingness to maybe consider that what Mr Trump had done was worthy of impeachment. The vast majority said no such thing.
And yes, Democrats are humans too, and more specifically politicians, but I don't think the "everyone sucks and they're all equally corrupt" argument holds a lot of water. Mr Trump incited and promoted a rebellion against the United States government because he lost an election, and most of the GOP (both politicians and voters) are full throated in their support for him, in what amounts to an attempt to end representative democracy and install a dictator. Democrats are also corrupt, prone to virtue signaling, and often place their personal interests before the well being of the country. But we have yet to see an armed coup attempt out of the left.
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I know it’s really hard to let go, but Trump is gone. Talking about him everyday won’t bring him back. Just leave it alone. Considering how much you guys/media dislike him it’s weird to let him occupy this much mental space.
I think the only way for these people to get some closure is to hate fuck him.
FTFY
They're just buying time to get through the winter with the spike in COVID cases and waiting until the vaccines are deployed so they can push the narrative that Biden = Greatest President of All Time. None of these news networks are going to criticize anything that he does even if its a complete disaster.
I was hoping that to some degree that people would hold all politicians to the same level of scrutiny that they did Trump going forward but that ain't happening.
Honestly got more Republican votes than I expected. But today was the final end of the Republican Party.
They don’t stand for law and order. They don’t stand for the constitution. They don’t stand for “Blue Lives Matter” (over 140 cops hurt on Jan 6th, 1 murdered, 2 dead via suicide days later).
They exist only as a cult of personality for a reality tv star. What a sad pathetic fall for an institution I once respected.
Kermit went on the floor and said Trump is responsible for the attack on the Capitol but he voted to acquit. Does that make any sense?
I can see how local republican politics will still have value but what conservative with principles would want to be associated with this group at the national level. They bow to the leader at the expense of the US.
And Mike Lee said that what Trump did was wrong but that we should give him a “mulligan”. Same thing played out in his first impeachment where many Republicans didn’t dispute any of the charges, but voted to acquit anyway. Others are (wrongly) argue that we shouldn’t try a president out of office, which now gives carte Blanche for future presidents to do whatever they want in their final weeks in office.
Just blatant partisan politics.
Hm that is interesting
This describes both parties. The Democrats only believe in the rule of law insofar as it applies to their political enemies. During the summer of 2020, numerous cities went under curfew due to rioting and looting and general violence that many Democrats provided approval to.
This is the problem with our politics--the worst people are running and serving in political office. It seems that so few elected officials actually believe in the rule of law or equal justice under the law. Everyone wants the law to apply to the other guy.
I reject the eternal desire to “both sides” everything and play the whataboutism game til nothing matters. Dems regularly condemned the violent outbreaks. Biden has countless quotes speaking out against the violence. Trump still thinks he did nothing wrong.
Also, because I am an adult, I can also discern between protests against police brutality and protests to prevent a peaceful transfer of power because millions of cult followers were lied to about election fraud.
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Eh, Obama lives rent free on Fox News
I'm fairly sure most people here are old enough to remember Bush being ''totally Hitler'', same for McCain before he became the hero of the liberal crowd. Hypocrites to the bone. Maybe you should focus on that demented buffoon that's accelerating the decline of your country, being a puppet of sociopaths while China takes over. But nah, you are happy with that.
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