UMICH: LSA Econ vs Ross
I know this has been asked but I'd like to know some updated opinions:
Simple and open-ended question: How much worse is LSA Econ compared to Ross in terms of recruiting and job placement? Is LSA Econ looked down upon severely because of Ross?
I was rejected by Ross but accepted my LSA offer but now I'm having some serious doubts about how good LSA really is. I turned down the Bschool at Carnegie Mellon just to experience UM. Any reassurances?
Also, is it completely impossible for me to get into Ross now since I applied pre-admit?
Honesty is welcome. Thanks.
I will take a stab at this. As someone familiar with the Ross recruiting cycle, I never felt as if Ross students had a giant advantage over LSA or Engineering in terms of interviews, networking, etc. That being said, Ross students certainly do get more perks over the rest of the university, but coming from a non-Ross background may actually differentiate you. Remember, recruiters often see 300+ Ross resumes and only 40-60 LSA ones.
Everyone, yes everyone, from the whole university is welcome to go to networking sessions. While the majority of UM students who go into banking/PE are from Ross, that is simply due to it being the business school. Most LSA students are not interested in finance, which is why only a small number actually recruit for banking. I personally know plenty of non-Ross students that received offers at places such as GS, MS, HL, Moelis, Centerview, JPM, etc. for IB and S&T.
In terms of disadvantages, you will not have access to the Ross alumni database, which can be helpful at times during networking. While there are some connections to be made this way, LinkedIn is still far more effective for finding contacts. Further, there are certain Ross-specific online platforms that are run by the career center for when interviews come around. I believe both LSA and Engineering have their own online platforms that essentially do the same thing, but am not 100% sure.
Next, you will have to prove that you are genuinely interested in finance. There are ways to do this by taking Ross courses (yes, non-Ross students can do this). The 2 most important ones to take in this case are Intro to Financial Accounting and Intro to Finance. I believe you can take both as a non-Ross sophomore. Something to keep in mind: Ross GPAs can be a bit inflated as an A+ in a class warrants a 4.4/4.0 grade, so I would recommend striving to get a very high LSA GPA (3.9+) if you wish to be successful in the process as a junior. Banks know that LSA GPAs are not inflated, but it can be hard to compare a Ross kid with a 3.95 and an LSA kid with a 3.6. I am sure you know who will get the interview... That being said, networking can overcome even the worst of GPAs if you make the right connections early on.
Addressing the last point about re-applying, I am not sure how the new acceptance policy works. When I was going through the process, there were ~100 pre-admits and everyone else was accepted as freshmen. I know the school recently changed that, but I am not sure if that bars rejected pre-admit applicants from applying again. I suggest reaching out to the school for this.
Finally, there are two last thing to keep in mind. First, you can do a Ross minor which gives you most of access that a Ross major would for the online platforms and resources I mentioned earlier. The application process for the minor is still very competitive. And you should apply BEFORE your sophomore year, giving you more clout when you start networking with banks before your junior year. Second, I know Ross has better connections to Wall St. and alumni are a lot more active than LSA alumni. That being said, IF you put in enough work, talk to Ross friends about networking sessions that are coming up, and keep ties with recruiters (they understand you do not have access to the Ross online materials), you should not have a problem. While it is harder to recruit from than Ross, being an LSA student in a hard major with a high GPA is certainly something that tons of banks and PE shops appreciate.
thank you!
Thank you! That really helps even now!
if you don't mind me asking, how do ross students get more perks over the rest of the university?
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Hey man I'm an entering Ross student from what I read you cannot reapply but from the comment above it seems like you can certainly compete as an LSA student. Best of luck.
yo is the op named dan
recent grad at mich -- so I can shed light on this. For the top students, Ross vs LSA doesn't matter in recruiting. As others have noted, Non-Ross kids nab spots at top banks and consulting firms every year. That said, those kids tend to have some things in common -- majoring in something quantitative (usually econ, math, cs, stats) and maintaining a killer gpa (especially hard considering some math and engineering majors at mich are absolutely brutal), multiple directly relevant internships, and most importantly, pretty much every single one of these kids will be involved with one of the top business clubs/frats at mich. The best clubs at michigan are incredibly selective and form a straight pipeline to the best jobs and create a self feeding cycle. It doesn't matter if you don't have a "ross network" (not worth much considering most alumni are swamped with emails from every thirsty kid at mich during recruiting season) when you have an incredibly dedicated club alumni network who will 100% pick up your phone call. Idk what club recruiting is gonna look like because of corona in the fall, but usually, it kicks off in the first monthish of fall semester and the top clubs will do an online application followed by two rounds of interviews. I'm not joking when I say some of these clubs will get like 350 apps for 5-10 spots in a class. Even between the clubs there's a pretty clear hierarchy -- happy to talk through which are the best ones if you're interested.
Could you elaborate on the clubs
What are the best Clubs
Echoing the posts above. I'm a current Ross student with friends in LSA recruiting as well. Clubs are huge for non-Ross students, since they more than make up for the Ross alumni database IMO.
Current upperclassmen in Ross doing banking as well. Everything in the first comment is correct except for the GPA statement. Ross is not out of 4.4 anymore but either way in LSA you should aim for a 3.75+
Also the comment above on clubs is crucial. There are about 4 pipeline clubs give or take. Get into one, work hard, and you could be chilling. Pm if ya got questions
Which clubs do you recommend
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