UMM Vice President Interview

Anyone here have experience interviewing for a VP or other mid-level role at upper mid-market PE firms? I am currently a Principal, the level above Senior Associate at a large fund of funds, where I focus exclusively on co-investments. Got a few interviews lined in the new year at direct shops, mostly for VP level roles and looking to do some prep over the holidays.

Would love to hear from anyone who lateraled in PE into mid-level roles on their experience with the interview process - mix of bevavorial / technical questions, was there a full blown LBO modeling test etc? Given that I will be entering at a relatievely senior level, not sure whether I need to dust up the old modeling prep work.

 

Curious as to why you are seeking to make this change. Work at a FoF currently myself and my impression was the hours/culture is significantly worse at most direct shops. Perhaps it boils down to the carry?

I would assume that there will be some kind of model / case study exercise since VPs are pretty heavily involved in day-to-day oversight of modeling workstreams (and my current shop administers this kind of exercise for VP level roles)

 

Honestly, its just an itch I need to scratch. We have been working on a number of co-sponsorship type transactions where I have sat on the Board of the company. I have enjoyed the dialogue I can maintain with the senior management of portcos and would like to get more involved in portco operations than I am now. Figured it would be relatievely easy to switch back if I wanted to. Hours are probably going to be worse but obviously culture is far more firm-dependent. I'd say culture is probably the one thing I am focusing most of my time on in getting to know these firms. Have absolutely no desire to be in a toxic or super cutthroat work environment at this stage in my career.

 

That's fair. I suppose I see all the crazy workstreams on the directs side up close on some of my deals and it makes me quite wary of going to that side. Putting together databooks and being hyper-focused on every DD workstream seems to be a real grind vs my current role (where we only work till 9pm during deal sprints and even then there is no weekend work). 

What has your experience been re. weekend work / hours at your current shop? 

 

With apologies for the arrogance here, does it drive anybody else nuts when FoF people use the “direct” shop moniker? It connotes that there is some equivalence / interchangeability in talent/ability/reputation between those and the “indirect” shops from whence these people come. It’s like saying “I’m playing for the farm team but was debating lining up a tryout with and going to play for the Yankees.” 

No

please stop and acknowledge that those two things are not equal and interchangeable 

 

Ugh I know, can’t believe we’re sullying our ranks with such common folk 

next thing you know we’ll be looking beyond the Ivy League 

 
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Not interested in a d*ck measuring contest but here's two points for you to consider:

1. Co-investments span a wide spectrum from very syndicated opportunities, like when BX or KKR fills out the equity of a deal with capital from 40 or 50 LPs to true co-sponsorship type transactions where the "co-investor" takes the place of a second GP. The last deal our team worked on was a take-private of a large healthcare company in Europe where we underwrote the deal alongside the GP and bore the risk of broken deal costs. Here's the thing though: even in this transaction, our Associates dont spend a huge deal of time creating the model. We get the sponsor's model and our Associates spent a bunch of their time reinforcing the model, including info on more detailed operating builds our IC likes to see; usually data from QoE or CDD reports, which we would have shared the cost on. We also get access to the same data room the GP gets access to from the sell-side banker. If we wanted to, we could ask our Associates to create our own model but what a waste of time that would be when we can just the GP's Associates to do the gruntest of grunt work on a deal..... Neither this deal nor my firm is a one-off in referring to such a transaction as a co-investment. Alpinvest, Harbourvest, Ardian, Blackstone Strategic Partners and a bunch of other firms do this. LPs like CPP, GIC, ADIA and OTPP does as well.

2. Who really cares about the industry's perceived connotation of "talent/ability/reputation" of a co-investor vs a direct fund? Last I checked, GPs have to show us co-invests fee free, so we all make the exact same return and the exact same money on the deal (yes, there are fees and carry that we have to pay on the fund investment). Today, there are co-invest funds that have raised over $3bn. With carry ranging from 10% - 15% and a lower headcount, no need for carry-sucking operating partners and Executive Advisors, I'd bet you that the senior people at these funds generate just as much wealth as any "direct investor". 

 

You bring a lot of attractive qualities to the table, particularly in terms of the volume of opps you have likely seen (in detail-- not just a CIM review that you spun your wheels on), which is why you're getting the looks. I've always enjoyed working with folks from your background because some shops can be so insular in their thinking and folks who have had exposure to numerous sponsors tend to be more independent in their thought processes. That said, the job functions are somewhat different.

Expect to spend a lot of time going into the specifics of your deals. Obviously you did not have the same role as the primary sponsor in terms of developing a thesis, building a relationship with the banker/management team, and of course management of third-party workstreams. If I were interviewing you, I would understand this and want to gauge your level of comfort with those through a combination of fit/deal-specific questions.

For the actual financials of the deals on your resume I would expect you to know these cold. To the extent you sat on the board, would want to know about the value creation levers that the sponsor pulled (successfully or not). I would also want to know your comfort in direct negotiations with counterparties, and would plan on extensively reference checking you. Finally, I would want to see evidence that you could engage in the BD work that comprises the next step. I imagine you have solid examples for all of these.

In any event, good luck with the processes.

 

The post above hits on a lot of good points.  Behavioral, fit and deal specific questions are very important but one other item you should be prepared to address is a potential case study that helps tease out how you think about developing a diligence gameplan / framework.  You could be given an illustrative deal that you get from an ibank and would need to think about developing a perspective on the deal and how you would quarterback a junior team and various third party advisors to check the right boxes to validate your thesis or identify appropriate value creation drivers to support your view.  The VP / mid level role is so much more than just knowing technicals, as you’ll start leading people and need to be strong at coordinating / multitasking with diligence parties, while still managing expectations from seniors.

 

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