War with Iran Next?
WSO,
It seems things aren't getting any rosier between US and Iran. With Iran's nuclear program being a top question for Republican candidates in the foreign policy category.
Some shit which has taken place so far:
1. IAEA confirming 20% Uranium enrichment
2. US spy plane captured
3. Iran starting war exercises
4. Death sentence of American citizen
5. Iran trying to assassinate Saudi ambassador on US soil
6. Other shit I cant remember
What do you guys think? Is a standoff likely? I don't think under Obama's administration. But shit might hit the fan if a gung-ho republican comes in power.
Here are my most-likely scenarios:
Obama stays in office; tactical resolution no one expected - something like the Bin Laden hit.
Mitt Romney somehow wins office; imagine, "What Would George (Bush) Do?"
PROPAGANDA
I wonder what the US would do if Iran was flying a spy-drone over our airspace...or even over Mexico or Canada? We're the aggressor.
George Bush would strongly disagree with your statement. "God Bless America, and God bless our freedom!"
Honesty though, most Americans don't give a shit about those crazy motherfuckers in Iran and the Middle East. I mean, they're not going to shoot missiles at us. Most Americans are still unsure why the fuck U.S. invaded Iraq. The most pointless and retarded war ever.
There is absolutely no moral equivalency between Iran and the US. People want to talk a big talk about how we should mind our own business but maybe we should evaluate what the world might actually be like in that scenario. I won't claim the US does no wrong, but to Monday morning quarterback every situation and point at the US and claim we are the problem. The US has made this world a better place through our 'greed' and our 'imperialism'.
The United States is the most powerful nation in the history of the world and many people still believe in the adage "to whom much is given, much is expected". We are the gold standard for democracy, freedom, human and civil rights and it's hard for some people to turn their backs to murderous dictators.
For some it's hard to support our proactive policing of the world, but others would say that our safety as a nation hinges on our ability to further democracy. Unfortunately this seems like a scenario where you don't find out which side is right until it's too late.
Regards
I'm not sure what going to happen exactly. But I feel as if the the decision on Iran has already been made. Whatever ends up transpiring in the near future has already been triple-stamped for approval by the powers that be.
I think it's ridiculous that there's even a conversation going. Have they really done anything aggressive? Their attempt at building a nuclear weapon is unfortunate, but is it really threatening? They don't have the capability of launching one at America, and they know that launching one at an ally of ours (or otherwise, really), would mean the end of their existence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons
Some would say, "Yes!" if you consider the money they funnel into terrorism, from which America and Israel have been direct targets/victims. Maybe your opinion differs.
Again, they are a designated state sponsor of terror...while "Iran" may not attack the US, it doesn't mean that an Iranian funded terrorist, or group, won't...so having potential access to nuclear weapons or materials scares many people who are exceptionally well educated on the issue.
Similar to above...they aren't going to launch one at us, not just because it would be an apparent act of aggression which would lead to their decimation, but also because they don't possess the rocket technology to get it here...not that it wouldn't be neutralized even if they did/could. But all of that doesn't mean they don't potentially allow terrorists access to 'dirty materials...which could be equally devastating...and truthfully, such an incident could be orchestrated by a rogue agent of some sort and doesn't even have to be initiated by the Iranian government. At any rate, we all know that most, if not all, Islamist terrorist don't really care about the "end of their existence". Many actually believe that suicide bombing is honorable and the way they are supposed to die. I just don't think this is a subject that we can let play out just to see who would be right because the consequences could be too dire.
Regards
We aren't going to war with Iran. Our forces are too tired, demoralized and the American people feel the same way. You can only ask the same group of guys to go over so many walls, take so many hills and get shot at so many times before they have nothing left to give.
Unless a dirty bomb detonates within the US killing thousands of Americans and the radioactive materials in the bomb are linked to Iran. Americans would cheer for the destruction of Iran after that.....remember how the majority of Americans felt right after 9/11
How about Iran trying to sidestep the US Dollar in trade with other countries. That could answer the question.
Lol I think that's what Saddam threatened to do with crude oil transactions... no coincidence.
Plus didn't Qaddafi threaten the same?
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/iran/Iranian-Nuclear-Sc…
they just killed one of their scientists.. cant everyone see the writing on the wall?
are you being naive? who do you think killed him? who doesn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons?
^ Or just maybe we did it...
It appears inevitable that we are headed to war with Iran within 12-18 months. All we got to do is wait for them to forcefully respond to one of our many provocations or a false flag operation to get the American people on board for Iraq 2.0
Maybe, just maybe, we should just mind our own business.
I'm all for a surgical strike. No change of regimene, no building them a nice shiney new democracy, no occupation, just reduce the facilities to rubble and done. Maybe take out some airstrips and weapons depots along the way, but Iran is bad news dude.
Agree with UFOinsider. Should just destroy their nuclear facilities and airforce / weapons on the way if necessary. Just like Israel did to Iraq's Osirak reactor in 1981.
Domestic terrorism in Iran isn't unheard of...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah
They usually refers to a singluar entity.
"I think they went to the movies' = that specific group
ENGLISH IS HARD!
Additionally, the bomber could have just been a western sympathizer or just someone that understands the potential consequences of a nuclear equipped Iran...which for Iranian would be a bombed or partially destroyed country/city/infrastructure as a result of US and/or Israel bombings.
Either way, the US isn't going to own this and I don't think Israel will either.
Regards
wtf is that supposed to mean? and we are all speculating here chill out
More than likely this guy wasn't walking the party line the way Iran saw fit.
Dead men tell no tales.
Can someone remind me what country was stupid enough to actually use nuclear weapons on another population??????????????????????????????
Perhaps someone should force them to get rid of their nukes.
Who gives a shit if they have nukes? They wont use them anyway. They know they'd be fucked if they did. Dont believe me? Has N. Korea used them?
But, it may make controlling or bullying them inconveniently more difficult.
I like how people think now that Iraq was now a massive mistake now that it turns out all the intelligence was bs, but now this time it's different and we must attack Iran. Why does it even have to be us that attacks them, they aren't a threat to us at all. Let Israel attack them if they want.
This is Saudi Arabia and Israel's problem. We need to divert our resources to American soil - we have enough problems to deal with domestically. Bush's trillion dollar conquest has made us both tired and vulnerable. I agree with JS in that I do not see Iran as much of a threat to the American way of life. We need to put our personal interest above others. Altruism doesn't lend itself well to foreign policy.
From what I've read, the whole "smart bomb on CNN" surgical strike does not apply to Iran as their facilities are dispersed and hardened - an effort to thwart such an attack. A strike on Iran is going to translate to American boots on the ground and another decade of bull shit.
Live and let live, Ragnar is correct if shit hits the fan Saudi Arabia and Israel can deal with it.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2nd-carrier-arrives-cvn-70-carl-vinson-jo…
Another carrier arrives in the Arabian Sea
Might as well plan a strike on the CIA since they've trained most of the militants in the middle east. eh?
Even though it was really, REALLY, STUPID to arm them as much as we did, and they ARE ASSHOLES for basically turning on us, I'd blame every administration from Carter going forward for stupidity and negligence with respect to authorizing those operations.
And by every president since Carter, I also mean REAGAN, BUSH, and CLINTON. BUSH II kind of changed the official policy over there (just a bit) after his first few months in office (not sure why), so I'll throw him a bone on this one. Just this once.
Saw this the other day. Thought it was kind of funny/appropriate.
^ That was awesome.
Propaganda exists outside the Soviet Union people!
No one has answered my question about what country has been foolish enough to use nukes on a civilian population? Someone should disarm that country right as it can't control their sh!t?
Also, some Ron Paul predictions from 2002:
I'm not sure who the "foolish" country was, but I know the US went atomic and ended a war...which seems reasonable. Let us know when you plane lands back in reality, we will come greet you at the airport.
Regards
UFO why do you make random words bold and italicized just type out your point.
i think Stewart nailed it
haha great video, Jon Steward and Colbert report is where its at.
Back to the topic, I dont think Iran is DUMB enough to bomb any of our allies, as they would know what the consequence would be. What I am more worried about is Israel attacking Iran and us have to finish Israel job. Kim Jong II was a lot crazier than the guy who is running Iran and he didn't use a nuke as he knew it would the end of him and he reign.
MB666...I don't know if you are dumb, or just playing dumb, but lets try to force ourselves into remembering just how everything went down...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War
Let us also remember that the Empire of Japan wasn't some perfect nation just minding it's own business with no intent to fight anyone...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
I'm not sure if you are just some anti-American asshat or you are just trolling, but you are making yourself look foolish.
Regards
That was hysterical RagnarDanneskjold.
Honestly, there's no way a war with Iran is going down. Would give Washington an excuse to put us further into the hole, but Iran isn't going to drop a nuke on anybody and Obama/Romney/Paul would never pull the trigger unless that happened.
And as for Iran being competitive......no, they're not. We could wipe out their military in one one week, and if we go to war, there will be no reconstruction (AKA NATION BUILDING, YOU GOP ASSHOLES). We'll pummel them into the earth and be done with them.
MENA has been a huge pain in everyone's ass for a long time, and the best they can hope for is the Arab Spring to overturn all of the pathological psychos that rule those third world cesspools.
^ no one can throw monkey shit today, see what I did there?
Suck it.
We should probably just mind our own business. Start with 8.5% unemployment.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/9sg_NRC8ozk
^ If the US can't win a war in Iraq let alone in Afghanistan then it has no chance in Iran.
As for Iran, it would be over in 20 minutes: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/world/middleeast/us-warns-top-iran-le…
Winning the war is easy. Winning the peace is fucking impossible with the sand people. The cradle of civilization is a god damn basket case lately, and by lately, I mean the last 300 years.
wow UFOInsider, the way you speak is pretty disgusting.
Unfortunately this is the sort of smug attitude I've come to expect from our european counterparts. Consider that Europe wouldn't be able to have its modern lackadaisical welfare states (as long as they do last), or the peace that they have had for the past 65 years if not for American protection. UFO is on the ball.
I'm actually not hateful, I'm merely countering the incredibly disingenuous rhetoric spouting forth from every European fop, MENA radical, and US socialist. Truthfully, I'd like to see the US be able to relax a bit, and I truly wish our soldiers could come back home. I get pretty nasty with uppity EU folk who have some pseudo intellectual and bogus remarks about America's Empire when they're basically the root of our problems and my family and friends are over there. My honest reaction to Europe is: please shut the fuck up already, and do something. FEEL FREE TO HELP AT ANY TIME.
Unfortunately, the abject misery, wonton destruction, absurd ideological battles, and wholesale slaughter of millions of souls in the last century could have been prevented by US action and I'd take the current form of geopolitical reality over that of the 20th century.
As for my diction: fuck you, welcome to America.UFO...IOU SBs
Regards
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So Obama sanctioned the Iranian central bank last week and their currency has since fallen 30% and they have hyperinflation. We/Israel also just took out anothr one of their scientists this week. This war has already begun.
dude never underestimate the level of human stupidity..Iran might just start nuclear war so they can bring Mahdi back http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi and start the end of days..no kidding..this is some Sarah Palin shit I'm talking bout
The way I see it:
LOL at people thinking that Iran is the bad guy. Let's mind our f*cking business America and stop with these pointless conflicts (resulting in blowback)!
War on terror = War against opposition to U.S. world domination
UFOinsider and cphbravo are fucking retarded when it comes to foreign policy... The scariest part is their self-righteousness and arrogance about it. Have you guys even lived abroad (military deployment does not count)? I've lived in 6 countries all over the world and visited many others. The enmity that US foreign policy generates abroad is immense. Japan is just as wealthy as us (and hates foreigners even more than us - gaijin / xenophobia) yet they keep to themselves. Muslims have no desire to attack them because they're not meddling in their shit. We are (and you insist we continue).
PS- I'm very conservative and believe in an extremely strong national defense. I think the US should have the world's biggest military and always be prepared for war. Still, that does not mean we pick fights that don't concern us.
Maybe you could be a little more clear as to how I'm fucking retarded, or what specifically makes me self-righteous and arrogant?
In my mind you can be liked or respected, this is the same situation as a supervisor, a CEO, a football coach. You can't have your cake and eat it to. You can't build the world's strongest military and then bow to foreign leaders. It's been my experience that people who like you can easily lose respect for you and sometimes being respected means not being liked. alex, I don't expect most people to understand the difference because you most often work with people your age, who are your friends, etc. but when you operate in an environment such as war, you can't afford for your subordinates to question you, so you have to demand respect, even at the sacrifice of being liked.
I'm not trying to be critical of you, just saying that you and many other people don't understand the complex nature of these situations, and admittedly, I'm no expert. The middle east is a strange place where the way you are perceived is huge. The current administration has tried to take a far more diplomatic role when dealing with many of the middle eastern nations and, in my opinion, it's backfired. They live in a culture where they still beat, rape and kill their women simply because they feel they have been disrespected. How to you command any sort of respect from without flexing a little muscle? These people are always rational.
I've said many times before that this a very touchy subject. Many people in this country maintain the position that 'to much is given, much is expected' and that we have to be the world police because we are able. Others don't think that should be our job. Personally, I'm on the fence about it. I mean, how does a capable nation sit back and watch as people are murdered? We have rallies in this country because some woman don't make as much as their male counterpart...meanwhile, back in the desert, woman are unable to drive a car, can virtually be raped on a whim, can be murdered by their father for causing 'shame' (even if that 'shame' was that they were raped) and acid thrown in their faces and the list goes on. How do we claim to be the gold standard for human and civil rights but knowingly allow inhumane things to occur?
As far as whether or not a nuclear Iran should concern the US, I guess we just have differing opinions.
Regards
United States is THE global imperium, which means she cares about every war.
The best analogy for US foreign policy is the Nike sneaker 'fury' of the early 90's: Kids in high school were getting all up in arms about workers in China (or wherever) being paid pennies an hour and in a way they had a lot of good points. A few: loss of jobs here, bad PR for the US, money flowing to a communis dictatorship, etc... What people failed to realize in that conversation is that the social progress originated from a period of abject poverty outside of these jobs, and the Chinese government was and is just a terrible regimine to live under. Eventually, the population there will rebel and work a better system out and this likely would never have happened any time soon without the factories. Do American companies under pay them? YES. Do they move factories around to the poorest areas to further this? YES. Do we turn a blind eye sometimes to what China does to the people who want a better salary, or the farmers and others they totally screw over? YES YES YES.
But I'm still in favor of it. The world outside of our borders is a very harsh and unfair place for the overwhelming majority of people, and our actions are aimed at alleviating some of the worst with trade/war / trade war. Could we do better? Yes, of course. Do we act selfishly at times? Hellz yeah. Do a lot of American citizens give the government hell for it? YES: I have gotten active many times.
Long story short, look at some of the terrible systems that have tried for what we now do: * British Empire (flat out exploitative and chauvanistic) * French Empire (mostly focused on trading) * Spanish Empire (particularly brutal) * Soviet Empire (it just sucked, everything about it just sucked) * Japanese Empire (learn about what they did. Some countries -China- still haven't fogiven them) * German Empire (several incarnations, the last was so bad that the leader is a stock villian)
History is one long story of selfish people screwing over other people. I like to think that the US is at least trying to do the right thing, even if we don't get it right all the time.
Sorry for the long post, but I am compelled to set the record straight on this issue.
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