Internship advice for a non-target school student

I am a junior mathematics major with minors in computer science and finance. I do NOT go to a target school, but I aspire to go to a top business school. In order to do that, I feel that I should get a job as some sort of analyst. But for now, I am applying to a lot of different banks and firms for summer internships in IB, S&T, and quantitative research. My gpa is 3.8~, have strong extra-curriculars, and a very high aptitude for math.
After doing hours and hours of research, I feel that I have little to no chance of getting hired as an intern to any of the major banks and firms due to my school. My math professors are grooming me to go into academia (math research last summer, taking graduate level pure math courses as reader classes, etc.) and I only recently realized that academia/pure math is not for me.
I want to work on Wall St., so what positions would you guys recommend I look into for a summer internship? Will provide more details if asked.

 

Logistically that's about right. But do not forget to work very hard on preparing for these interviews (both technical and fit).

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I was in the same exact position as you this past fall. Seriously just go find someone's alumni database and start shooting out e-mails. Try and go to information events at nearby schools if possible.

 

You should be able to search for your local BAML, Morgan Stanley, UBS, etc. branch. If contact information is listed, reach out & express interest in some manner. Have prepared cover letter & resume before you reach out.

 

and contact them from there

but i will doubt that ur going to have much luck since there isn't that much work going around right now. people are more worried about the next 3-4 months (next round of layoffs) and not so much about the summer yet.

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you will get interviews, don't worry.

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I know UBS already did it, I think CS did as well as someone posted on here that they had already had a superday for noncore. GS does it at the same time as other recruiting (Jan/Feb). BAML does Jan/Feb for non-core as well. MS I think does it slightly later than core recruiting.

 

I got to a super non-target. I have already applied to most places because one or two (cannot remember which ones) had started really early. Most sent me automated e-mails back saying they start in January. The only one who I have heard back from is Baird, who gave me an interview for Monday.

If you started applying in early January, you should meet most deadlines.

 

Thanks for the comments.

I've actually made a few contacts in some places and keep close with alumni who are working in finance. I definitely plan to have these individuals pass my resume along.

Unfortunately my networking is limited, as most of the graduates from my school don't make it to the street (maybe one every year and usually not to a top tier like GS, MS, etc.). Additionally, most finance and economics graduates work outside of NYC or in portfolio management.

My internship from this past summer, working in back-office of a major BB went very well though (a lot of front-office interaction), so I was hoping to use that as some sort of leverage. Do you recommend attaching a copy of my end-of-summer evaluation?

 

I just realized I forgot to mention that I'm a Junior and have no relevant work experience. The reason I did not go to a bigger school (got into Emory and a couple others, no ivy league though) was money simple enough.

 

Good point. Getting an IBD internship isnt exactly my first priority as I know its a long shot. Almost all internships in town are small local named places that are unpaid.

 

You have some informational interviews, you ask if they can put you in contact with the person in charge of SA recruiting. You get a first round phone interview and then invited to the superday where you get an offer.

That is how you network. If your resume is not up to par to begin with then step 1 should be focused on getting someone to believe in you and really push you forward. You won't get to the later steps without the push. But once you get that first round interview its all on you.

 

How much have you networked with the firms you applied to? If you're just submitting applications to banks like Goldman, JPM, MS, Citi, etc online, without anyone looking out for your resume, and you're from a non target then you basically have almost no chance at any of those banks. With regards to first rounds, yes most first rounds are over/ have been scheduled already.

 

I'm at a nontarget and some of the BBs are just starting first round interviews for SA next week. The application deadlines for some firms such as Blackrock, MS, and JPM are approaching, based on my school's career service center.

 

I have spoken with, on a mostly informational basis, MD's, VP's, associates, and analysts at many of the firms like MS,JPM, Citi etc., as well as many at smaller firms like Lazard,PWP etc., I am working on a way now to ask them to look out for my application/ land at least an interview. I had all applications done by 1/17 and just wanted to make sure I was not to late? Any advice is welcome. I am totally on my own with this, and have been busting my ass with all of it and really want to at least get a chance to interview with some places

 

It will be tough to say the least. You have a pretty weak GPA, which will be an obstacle for getting past the initial stages of screening. Once you figure out what you want to do (which you haven't said anything about), you will have to network your ass off or think about grad school at some point down the road.

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You definitely need some internship experience to bolster your low GPA. I also have a low GPA but got some great work experience and am now interviewing for some pretty good positions (already turned down one offer that wasn't really right). Probably nothing most people on this website would take that seriously but they are positions that match my interests very well and that offer good prospects for the future.

If it makes you feel better everyone told me my GPA was too low to have much of a chance of success in finance. Don't listen to them because it won't help you at all. Own your GPA and whatever the reasons were for it, and then get over it. Just because someone got good grades in college (which is so arbitrary in many ways) doesn't mean they will do well at their job or vice versa. I know people who did great in college and are now struggling and I know people who did poorly in college but thrived in the workplace. Just set the goals you want to and go after them unapologetically. Apply to internships until someone takes you. Learn technical skills like how to use excel, etc. Do a fall internship when there is less competition from summer people. Keep aiming incrementally higher.

 

You're likely going to have to start in another role, perhaps BO, and then work your way forward from there. Hiring really is a shitshow though, so get out there and meet people because you'd be surprised at the work experience of some people in FO. Why did you wait until after you graduate to start looking for real experience?

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