What defines an Asian? *not a racist post*

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Hi fellow monkeys,

I will be applying to BSchool in the next 2 years and I was wondering if Asians fit the URM category? I understand Asians as a whole are not minorities in any case (especially in finance and in B-School), but the term "Asians" is relatively vague considering there are so many types of Asians. Indians and Chinese students make up majority of the Asian population in schools, but what about the other Asians i.e. Sri-Lanka, Nepal, Thailand, Cambodia etc.?

Do you think adcoms would consider, lets say a Thai student, as an URM? Assuming he/she highlights their background in their application?

Thanks,
Geoff

Background disclosure:

I am an Asian myself.

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Mar 7, 2014

I don't think the admissions committee really views what type of Asian - its either you're Asian or not. Then again, I've never applied to B-school and I'm still in undergrad :)

Just my $0.2

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Mar 7, 2014

$0.2 is twenty cents, fucktard

happy to give advice; no asking for referrals please

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Mar 7, 2014
matayo:

$0.2 is twenty cents, fucktard

Just made my afternoon

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Mar 7, 2014

If that's her 20 cents, I'd hate to see what her 2 cents looks like.

Something like this?

"Asian sux"

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Mar 7, 2014

el oh el

Mar 10, 2014
pphi:

I don't think the admissions committee really views what type of Asian - its either you're Asian or not. Then again, I've never applied to B-school and I'm still in undergrad :)

Just my $0.02

Mar 7, 2014
Geof Miller:

Do you think adcoms would consider, lets say a Thai/Nepalese student, as a URM?

No.

Especially not one named "Geoff."

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Mar 7, 2014

It's obviously not my real name, "holla."

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Mar 7, 2014
Geof Miller:

It's obviously not my real name, "holla."

Sweet pseudonym.

My answer stands. You will not qualify for URM status.

Mar 7, 2014

Based on my experience your ethnicity plays very little role in determining your acceptance by any program. I am a Chinese American, and I was accepted by all the programs I applied to. Schools are more interested in your education, work experience, and how they contribute to your future prospect in the finance industry. You being a Thai/Nepalese doesn't make a better or worse person than anyone else, so they do not care.

Mar 7, 2014

Most schools follow the general standard for under-represented minorities described as

African Americans, Mexican-Americans, Native Americans (American Indians, Alaska Natives, and Native Hawaiians), Pacific Islanders, and mainland Puerto Ricans

While this is not a federal government site, but in fact a med school link, it's fairly clear: http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Medicine/diversity/...

Betsy Massar
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Mar 13, 2014
Betsy Massar:

Most schools follow the general standard for under-represented minorities described as

African Americans, Mexican-Americans, Native Americans (American Indians, Alaska Natives, and Native Hawaiians), Pacific Islanders, and mainland Puerto Ricans

The answer is a bit more nuanced than this. I've heard adcoms from two M7 schools speak in the last year and both acknowledged that the minority student numbers reported in most datasets include Asians. This number is typically between 20-30%. Both also said that schools are very conscious of internally-tracked URM numbers, which exclude Asians (more like 10-15%). WSJ wrote this article on the subject a few years ago.

Hmm... link doesn't seem to be working. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB100014240527...

Mar 13, 2014
brj:

The answer is a bit more nuanced than this. I've heard adcoms from two M7 schools speak in the last year and both acknowledged that the minority student numbers reported in most datasets include Asians. This number is typically between 20-30%. Both also said that schools are very conscious of internally-tracked URM numbers, which exclude Asians (more like 10-15%). WSJ wrote this article on the subject a few years ago.

Hmm... link doesn't seem to be working. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB100014240527...

The way demographic numbers are reported from one school to the next aren't consistent. To make it even harder to compare, some schools will report their numbers as a percentage of the *American* students (so that the % look higher, whereas others will report it as a percentage of *total* students (American + international). Furthermore, there's a not so insignificant number of US Permanent Residents (green card holders) of all stripes (URM, Asian, Caucasian), and while these folks are usually classified as Americans (i.e. US citizens and permanent residents), are they as a group considered "URM" or are they broken out by race? Are they part of the denominator in calculating "% of Americans who are minorities" or are they excluded?

Again, schools aren't always as detailed about how these numbers are calculated. I don't want to accuse them of deliberately manipulating their stats, but the fact that there isn't one way to report this makes it more convenient for schools to publish stats to suit their needs.

Furthermore, schools were better at reporting URM numbers in the 1990s and earlier (more detailed about the breakdown of what those URM numbers were by ethnicity, as well as how the % of URM was calculated, etc), but in the last 10 years, they've been less detailed about it.

Mar 14, 2014

That's because of the WSJ paywall. But there is neat little trick to jump the WSJ paywall.

Copy the headline of the article and google it. Wa la - Once you go to the article through google search, the paywall disappears.

Mar 7, 2014

It matters if you are international. For example, every year there's the token 2 admits from Thailand in HBS, 2 from Philippines, etc. If you are American, tough luck...

Mar 13, 2014

I don't think Thai, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. would count as URM. I believe if you are Philippino you would classify as URM (Pacific Islander category), but if an actual adcom can attest to it we wouldn't know (doubtful they would).

Mar 14, 2014

Someone from Asia...

Mar 14, 2014

If you're any kind of Asian who is also not a chick, you're not an URM.

Mar 14, 2014

What countries of origin are we talking about here?

From Japan in the east to what in the west? Pakistan/Afghanistan? What about Iran? Are they Asians?

What about the Stans? What about Arabs?

Mar 14, 2014

Perhaps if you're an Afghanistan refugee you'd be considered an URM. This topic is kind of pointless. I'm not really sure why anyone applying to bschool should really make any application decisions based on whether or not he is an URM. You can't help what you are.

Mar 15, 2014

@MBAApply is spot on

If you try and "spin" it, you'll look like a complete fool.

Betsy Massar
Come see me at my Q&A thread
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/b-school-qa-... Ask away!

Mar 15, 2014

If you're good you'll be fine. If you use race to prop up your application, not good.

Mar 15, 2014
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If you're good you'll be fine. If you use race to prop up your application, not good.

I completely agree and I am not going to take the race angle on my apps...im just trying to see where I fit in the race spectrum for B-School...

Mar 15, 2014

You're Asian.

Mar 15, 2014

You will not get URM "points" for being a South Asian / Indian / Pakistani / whatever.

Mar 15, 2014

You will get classified in the whole Indian group, so yeah, probably worse, if not as bad as being Asian.

Mar 15, 2014

how the fuck would you be considered hispanic lol

Mar 15, 2014
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Mar 15, 2014
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Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?