Where do you fall on polygamy or polyamorous relationships, and the various forms these can take? It's becoming quite a real choice to most people that some can make, whether they describe themselves as non-monogomous or not, and it's not surprising with the openness and comfort that society has become with homosexuality and transgendered people, as it seems like it's a trend of the diverse man and woman.
Instead of a one dimensional world of white collared high society people, who all get the same haircuts, with a home and wife in the burbs, boy and girl, golden retriever, and driving a Buick, now people are expected to be different shapes, colors, and have unique qualities to them.
Personally, I grew up in a two-parent, heterosexual, monogamous home, and I loved the Christmas', the presence of a disciplinary father and a loving mother, as it gave me structure and a pretty clear way to understand that part of the world. I project myself that way, and it tends to have done well for me around my friends where we all expect a mutual level of space or with women, as they tend to be more intimate in their interactions.
In the workplace, I find it easier to motivate myself, clean up, and carry a friendlier personality, knowing how I want women to view me on the job or even before or after work. But, it's an interest in giving back by having a family of my own that helps guide the kind of person I want to be.
Everyone likes to shit on the traditional home from the 50s, but without the hypocrites, it was a pretty sound system. Dad goes out to work and maintains a professional appearance, which is good for the company due to order (even if he was running to a dark hole to see hers and mistresses and blow c up his nose). He has responsibilities that keeps him coming back to sanity, while mom runs the day-to-day of the house. A lot of countries around the world follow some model like this, and place a bigger emphasis on the family than we do in America. Saudi Arabia, for example, seems to be holding onto a strong religious national identity while democratizing society and including women more.
Going out on a limb, I think some men are more the disciplinary or patriarchal type than others, which is why I think some diversity is good. The rolling stone kind of man who leaves to visit the call girls do not need to have kids, imo, and it would seem to be a good thing if they were not stigmatized into believing they forfeit their spot in society because they don't.
Stats show that only 3-4% of people would describe themselves as non-monogamous. Is that right or is that just growing?
It's interesting to think that 50 years ago, you were stigmatized if you were not married to a woman and now, we seem to be saying we can go out and have a wife-husband-girlfriend relationship, but I don't think that was supposed to be the idea. Are you more the married monogamous type or the poly-amorous type?
RE: "Stats show that only 3-4% of people would describe themselves as non-monogamous. Is that right or is that just growing?"
Don't quite understand what you're asking here, but polyamorous relationships have been around much longer than in the last 10 years, or an idea that this generation came up with. "Free love" back in the 60s was all about open marriages, guiltless extra-marital sex, swinging and the like.
Personally, I could give a damned less what people do in the privacy of their own home as long as children are not involved. If people want to share the love and affection of their significant other, who am I to judge. I find the thought repulsive and disturbing, but that's just me.
What I do have a problem with are people who choose to bring children into these situations. The traditional nuclear family is still, by far, the most viable means to grow strong bonds with your children and to show them how to deal with difficulties together, as a couple. If done properly, the nuclear family will impart on children the necessity for everyone to do their part, the dedication it takes to make a marriage successful, the compassion it takes to care for another human being, to accept them for who they are, to love them despite their short-comings.
I would think it difficult to teach a child about faithfulness and unconditional love when you cannot even choose to dedicate yourself to one person for life. That said, there have always been alternative lifestyles for centuries.
Just a middle-aged guys 2 cents.
what he said
I think it's a disgrace to humanity to go against our mammalian instincts. To actively reject something that our very bodies were DESIGNED to do (mate with multiple partners).
It's the same with people who are vegetarian. Why the fuck did you grow incisors then?
Right MM. It's just disgraceful that we don't all go around inserting our sexual organs into anything that moves. Perhaps you should go a few steps further in your quest to adhere to our mammalian animalistic instincts by squatting in your office to shit on the floor, or lick your balls simply because you can, or procreate with as many females as you can, because it's natural to want to spread our seed. Just remember that those "mammalian instincts" you are apparently so fond of doesn't always transfer appropriately a civilized society.
Our "mammalian" instincts also include raping and other violent behaviors. Pretty shitty argument. Also people shouldn't be vegetarian just because we have the teeth to eat other things, lol?
Horses have incisors. Rabbits have incisors.
So to summarize, your argument is: because you can do something, that means you should do it? Regardless of the circumstances?
"I think it's a disgrace to humanity to go against our mammalian instincts." Pretty sure sitting on your ass and watching Netflix and eating junk food is against mammalian instincts as well - you still do it don't you, you fat fuck
This is possibly the most autistic post I've ever seen on this forum. Seriously, congrats on this.
This guy has some legit vids on the topic as well as game in general:
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The fact that a Locario Fan video ended up on Wall Street Oasis is CRAZY. Wow guess the Red Pill will be hitting mainstream soon. This is made my day.
I thought "Redpills" were sexually frustrated fedora wearing guys from the fringes of the internet who hate women because they've never gotten laid and now think that "escalating kino" -- or whatever their pseudoscientific terminology is -- will help them get laid LOL
Highly recommend this book: https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Modern-Relationships/dp/1491512407
Just from my experience, everyone I have met in a poly/open relationship has been a complete fucking weirdo.
I don’t have a problem with non-monogamous relationships per say but I think broad societal acceptance of open relationships is not conducive to a cohesive societal unit (country, tribe, state, etc.). Polygamy is illegal because if men were able to collect wives the way they’re able to collect money or houses, only a select few men would control all the desirable women. You’d have super rich, powerful 60-100 year old men with the most desirable 15-30 year old wives. What’s left for the 15-30 year old men who are fit to work and fight wars to keep the societal unit flourishing? Only the least desirable, if any, women. Why would these men sacrifice for the societal unit when it is so inequitable? Sure rich, powerful men will always have mistresses, but they will never be able to commit to those mistresses in the same way they would for a wife, placing a limit on their inherent value as partners for these women.
I agree. It doesn't seem very democratic. 30-100 wives, 4-5 kids each, etc. Your patriarch grows into a mini kingdom. Rich vs the poor, forget it.
https://www.economist.com/news/christmas-specials/21732695-plural-marri…
Bad for social cohesion. Just like most post-modern fads. On a personal basis, every word by dm100.
Who doesn't like a good old classic Cuckold? lolol
Have your mainpiece that you want to have kids with. Don't marry her ever you don't want to get the law involved in your relationship unless she's rich. I've seen guys lose their minds at 30 over divorce. Also, have your sidepieces, but NEVER get them pregnant. And dabble in escorts with your buddies for wild times every now and then.
50% OF MARRIAGES END IN DIVORCE, AND 85% ARE INITIATED BY WOMEN.
If you hate the long hours on Wall Street imagine losing all the money saved from those nights in the trenches to the chick with the degree in Social Work who minored in Instagram.
They say that one in three people is a cheater in their relationship, but I don't know if it's my wife or my girlfriend.
+1
If you liked that one:
My wife is hard core republican and used to be super anti-abortion, you, know, until my side chick got pregnant.
Monogamy works for some people, doesn't for others. I'm decidedly non-monogamous; I can't imagine tying myself to one person for 50+ years, but then again I haven't met a woman interesting enough to elicit that kind of desire either, though I've made some good buddies. There are obvious social benefits as discussed-family, support, stability, etc. But it definitely has a downside w/ all the rampant infidelity and bad divorces. I came into my own late, and most of my relationships are transactional-different women offer me different things, and I'm OK w/ that.
I remember reading somewhere that 90%+ of us will be married or have been married by age 50-I don't think you get those kinds of rates from socialization alone. Like religion, like the need to be part of peer groups-humans are hardwired to be "together". Perhaps not with something as specifically designed as marriage, but there's definitely an innate need there.
Of course that’s true, because most people in general are ‘off’ in one way or another. The majority of the population believes in an invisible man in the sky, for starters
In terms of the virtue of being ‘normal’, that is another discussion altogether
In my culture (Asian), many people are married around their mid-late teens. According to my friends who have family, "Don't get married, don't get tied down," are words they first tell me when they ask if I am single or not.
That, and I have not met anyone interesting enough for me to pop the question...
....goes back to Tinder
Lots of appeal to nature fallacies and bro science in this thread. It's very simple when it comes to these types of relationships.
The social contract posits that it's immoral and repugnant behavior and will always remain in the fringes of society as a result. However, if you enjoy it and want to partake in the lifestyle it entails then others have no right to judge.
However, when it negatively impacts the development of children it crosses a clearly defined line in the sand and should not be allowed no matter how much it pleases you personally.
My position is that monogamy is good and desirable for society and everyone else. But for me I will never sleep with one woman for the rest of my life. I personally prefer "serial monogamy"--promiscuity leads to STDs and sex with fairly repellent women. "Serial monogamy" is a good mix, in my not-remotely-humble opinion.
You will never sleep with any woman lol
(ok sorry i had to)
Admittedly, I've not slept with a woman who has heard my "serial monogamy" principles (which are fairly newly acquired). It's the kind of thing that no woman would go for, yet it's completely unfair to enter into a serious relationship with a woman--who, because of biology, is on a strict time table--without her understanding that there is no chance that this leads to marriage and kids. So my principles work best for a sociopath who has no ethical issues with misleading a woman and then dropping her for a newer model.
I have enough trouble finding one woman worth loving/loves me let alone trying to find two.
That's what the man and all the over fuckers in Hollywood are trying to teach us. That it's ok to switch sex, it's ok to fuck a donkey, and it's ok to rub yourself against little children. Moral of the story: not everything that's on TV is true.
Most of our society still has strong values, and while people might dabble in sorority girls while in college - they eventually end up maturing and settling into a model of stability that has worked for centuries
Oh I don’t know how the world works but you think people actually mature and settle down. Take a deep breath Louis
If they don't they end up drugged up, unemployed and on the dole.
I think folks here are conflating monogamy and marriage. Marriage isn’t a necessary condition of monogamy. You can have a monogamous relationship that involves cohabitation without marriage
The main purpose of marriage is to create the conditions necessary to raise children in a stable and healthy environment (assuming one wants children). These conditions are optimized when you have precisely one male parent and precisely one female parent, largely because that is simply the biological requirements of physically producing offspring. All sociological consequences stem from that
If both people are down, who cares. I have only known a couple friends who had these sorts of relationships and they did not last. Ultimately, someone ended up loving their side piece more and along came the divorce papers.
Jacob or 'Israel' had multiple wifes. King Solomon had hundreds. so why not
It's really bad and the media should stop pushing it, just like lots of promiscuity will make women less happy and have worse marriage outcomes as the Teachman study shows, i think it will basically have the same effect.
I think every one man and every one woman has one soulmate out there. Don't get married if you're not willing to commit. Just plain dumb
I was in one.
While the threesomes are GOAT....there HAS to be open communication and no secrets between parties..which is where the difficulty comes from.
You cant tell one party one thing, and the other party another. Because when they talk, if the story doesnt equal up 100%, then it causes problems. It may not even be out of dishonesty, but literally because you have different connections to each person.
I wont do it again. Swinging/Threesomes are cool, especially if the parties are friends, but to elevate multiple people to relationship status....way too much to handle
Were they both hot?
Who did you love more?
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