What does WSO think of this program?
Hello everyone,
I am currently a junior in overtime at possibly the most retarded non-target state school on the east coast. If anyone cares to look, they will see that I am a vagabond who has already transferred more times than I should have. Im worried that this is going to get too long-winded here, so I'll try to just spit it out:
If I stay where I am there is no hope for any type of front office position, ever. I went to the school because it was cheap and I had given up (aka I thought I'd be a teacher) and I am now realizing it is much worse than I thought it would ever be. They don't want to transfer in any credits really, so right now I am left with fucking 21 classes to take if I stay in the "business school", and maybe 18 or so if I get a BA in economics. On-campus recruitment can be summed up with the name of just one business: "Krown Street Cleanerz". Yes, you read right. Retail banking is a stretch.
So where I am at now, I am completely dead in the water. I've been floating around for some time now.
Last week I found a program that seems like a good fit for me: One of the schools I previously attended has a BSMIS program run out of their small graduate school. I was hesitant because they call the program "bachelor's completion," and I'm obv not looking for some University of Phoenix shit. (My priority, though, IS completing my bachelors...) But the more I learn about the program, the more legitimate it seems. The school is known for being extremely rigorous (Princeton review ranks it higher than Harvard!!!11!!1!) and the focus clearly is getting kids into great graduate schools, which is what I hope to do. They do have an excellent track record for this. All of the classes look very interesting to me, especially the management electives they offer. All of the classes seem to offer real "hands on" experience, and I would expect nothing less than an extreme challenge, especially with a relatively limited computer background.
The program is offered on a trimester schedule, which is great for me and means that I could be done in one year. They expect students to come into the program with between 60 and 90 credits, which may seem odd but works perfectly for me. They are very lenient and I already know that they would accept all of my transfer credits.
Here is the list of courses, and mind that 1-3 core classes would likely be replaced by some management electives:
* MGT300 Management
* CIS310 Computer Networks
* CIS320 Web Infrastructures
* CIS330 Introduction to Relational Databases
* CIS355 Systems Analysis & Design
* MGT310 Project Management I
* FIN300 Finance
* COM300 Business Writing
* MKT300 Marketing
* MGT420 Strategic Planning
* MIS490 Independent Capstone Project
Management electives:
* MGT320 Negotiations
* MGT400 Managing with Technology
* MGT350 IT Contracts
* MKT400 Marketing and the Internet
* MGT410 Project Management II
* MGT430 IT Leadership
* COM400 Persuasive Communication
The project management classes and capstone project are said to be very intense and that you are writing multiple business plans, creating websites, etc.
****Does this kind of "deliverable" matter to anyone? I know it matters to me, but what about employers or grad school admissions?
***** Do you think I would have a better chance of getting into a top MSF program from this program?
****Is MIS a good background to have these days?
Ultimately I want to get into consulting, and I think that this program might prepare me for that. More so, I know, than the shit I am doing now.
I was just wondering if anyone had opinions or advice on this decision. Please remember that both are complete non-targets, this BSMIS would actually cost less to finish and take less time, and that my immediate goal is graduate school. I feel that this program might make me a more unique candidate, and would more accurately show the level of maturity and comprehension I feel I have reached.
Also, remember that I don't have a time machine, and dont want any "should've, could've" shit. My options are staying where I am, or going for this program.
All comments are greatly appreciated. Sorry for the essay.
Is your goal to transfer from shitty school to shitty school (and then back to an aforementioned shitty school) as many times as humanly possible?
Programs that feed into good grad schools are good, but keep in mind that there's usually some work experience necessary. If you can't get the job you want within a couple of years of graduating, go to grad school. OR just network your ass off, it really does work.
Why don't you just post a condensed timeline (very condensed, VERY) with the key points, and it will help with the decision. Also, how old are you? You have to take into consideration that some schools / programs look at age as a factor, so it will help.
SCHOOL GPA MAJOR TIME at each place EXPERIENCE
This post makes me want to fucking kill myself.
My goal is to finish my shitshow as soon as possible, and put myself in a better position for graduate school. Also, to have a degree that I value, somewhat.. I am 23. St. Anselm College 3.4 Bio- one semester, Marlboro College 3.8 Math/Econ- one semester, Quinnipiac University 3.0 Finance-one year, Southern CT State 3.6 Accounting-one semester, Hawaii Pacific University 3.8 Accounting, Southern CT State 3.7 Econ. I have worked in a pipeyard/warehouse and plumbing supply office, work-study positions, office interior sales+design, assistant funeral director now. I work 50-60 hrs a week, and take 6 classes on campus twice a week. Marketing internship, another one potentially this summer. Hope to be slave labor at a hedge fund by then. I have been in numerous clubs, no leadership positions, no investing clubs, etc. There is so much to say about it all, and why, but I will spare you. So to answer the simple question, yes, my goal is to transfer from one shitty school to another as many times as possible. I am rolling in it. I have some great contacts, but just don't feel comfortable extending my shit-covered hand. They want a me when I have a degree. Again, I am trying to do this as soon as possible, and ideally have a degree that I have some confidence in, that appeals to them.
What was going through your head during all of these transfers? This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard and there is a lot of dumb shit on WSO.
Your parents must hate you. At this point I would say go wherever you can graduate quickest. You will obviously need to network your way in at this point.
If your schools are so bad you should probably have a 4.0. Transferring around like that isnt going to look appealing to anybody. You can have all the excuses/reasons you want for transferring after a semester, but ultimately people are going to think that you either couldnt handle it or in some way didnt work well with others and were forced out. Also, you seem to completely lack foresight. You transferred to a school without knowing its policy on transferring credits? That's probably the first thing I'd find out. Get your shit together, then you can start thinking about getting a job in one of the most competitive work environments. First step, actually graduate. Transferring around like you do is a cop out. you should be working at 23, give your parents a break.
Side note: TLDR(most of it). nobody cares enough to comment based on classes. Youre a wreck
Why would my parents hate me? I already make more than they do, while going to school full time and getting good grades. They're not paying for anything. I had no idea what I was doing when I applied to colleges, and apparently still don't. I've never had any real guidance, made a big mistake early on, and really have been scrambling ever since. I admit that it was dumb, and that I am possibly the biggest loser on this site. Thank you for your bluntness, and the input, I will likely go to the school that takes the least time.
What's with this "give my parents a break" shit? What do my parents have to do with anything? What, you all had supportive parents, and assume I must too? I can understand why you think I'm a wreck, etc, but I am a little confused as to why two people are already mentioning my parents?
Eassssy buddy, relaxx. This is not WallStreetTherapy.com, leave your unsupportive parent issues at the door
Reason i mentioned your parents is that they are most likely providing you with some support. It is hard to believe that you are autonomous: moving around the country isnt cheap and you cant really keep a job if you keep moving every 6 months, not to mention that you dont have an UG degree. So id put your annual salary at 40k Tops (unless you pursue illicit means of coming across your cash). I could be wrong on the salary, but im sure youll let me know that. With tuition, books, room and board (breaking leases), food, travel, and other expenses that doesnt leave you a lot of money saved when aimlessly moving between schools, even if you are full ride. Hence, your parents are probably pissed that you havent staying in the same school for more than 12 months, which has the potential to become a financial burden on them. kthanks
Yea, your parents probably don't hate you. They are just "disappointed".
Wow you are a financial wizard, and you sure figured me out. Just because you can't calculate it means it never happened? I'm pretty sure I did all of this, without help from my parents. Honestly though, my brother did help me out in hawaii. Could it be possible that I saved my money, and still do? I make good money working, and have been able to support myself all along. I know I'm the retard here, clearly, but I think its a little absurd that you think you can tell me that I did not pay for myself, based on some little gay calculation. Yea buddy, I was able to buy my books, pay rent, buy food, and all that. I do have student loans in my name though, so I'm sure that makes everything illegitimate somehow.
If I say I make more than 40k, does that mean that I must be making money illegally? Or lying? What about if I made less? That means I couldn't have afforded any of it? You tell me, because you clearly know all about it.
How about you fucking graduate from fucking college you fucking "vagabond".
Your parents cry at night because you have no future and they raised a failure (nothing to do with them supporting you or paying for school). Wanted to shed some light on this confusing topic.
P.S. I realize that you're mad and you are probably looking for other finance forums to transfer your posts to, but you did this to yourself. You are asking us to give our opinion on your 5th (and counting) piss poor decision.
I don't need some faggot telling me what I did and didn't do, that's for sure. I will graduate in a year, that's the best I can do right now. "By my calculations, you can't possibly have any money saved"... Ok!
What could possibly have been so enticing about any of the schools you mentioned to make you want to transfer that many times? ...and possibly again? You could fill an entire resume with the schools you've attended...for undergrad.
Yea can you tell me some other finance forums, so I can transfer my posts to them? That's exactly what I was doing, but I'm really having trouble even doing that. I understand you guys are trying to dig deep with this parental disappointment thing, but it really is foolish.
Fixed that for you!
Oy vey, bro (OP). You gotta speak to an expert in person on this. Personally, I'd stay and finish the fuck up ASAP with the best grades I can.
yeah i never said "By my calculations, you can't possibly have any money saved." I didnt even use the word calculate. I now understand why you dont have a 4.0
forgot about student loans, youre right (happy, youre still a useless loser).
my main point was that hopping around the country every 6 - 12 months means that you could not move up in whatever job you were in. So if you were working the register at mcdonnalds in hawaii, you wouldnt be promoted to assistant manager in connecticut.
so you said that i made "calculations," i didnt, i used common sense. As someone who is younger, smarter, better educated, and more gainfully employed it would behoove you to not call me a faggot. enjoy long term unemployment!
Nice use of behoove.
Sorry for even posting this guys, and sorry for calling anyone a faggot. I've made my decision, and I feel dumb now for seeking justification on this site. I guess I was hoping someone might have something constructive to say. I know I've made numerous bad decisions, and that I am a failure at this time. Most people I know seem to think I'm doing just fine, but really my thoughts echo all of yours. I am trying to do something about it. I am trying to turn it around. I thought I found something that would help, and I thought I'd run it by you guys. I'm going to leave this alone now though.
If I had a soul I would probably feel bad right now =(
AnAtLeininNY, what are you even talking about? You told me that "tuition, books, room and board (breaking leases) travel and other expenses doesn't leave me with alot saved", right? That seems to me like a calculation of sorts, not common sense. Besides, how much is alot? You are so successful, I'm curious to know just how much more you have saved than I do..
Then you told me that "if i was working the register at mcdonalds in hawaii, i wouldn't be promoted to assistant manager in Connecticut". THAT is common sense, yes, but you lost me there. I don't see how that applies to anything I said. Enjoy long term unemployment? I am employed and always have been. Seems to me like you're quackin at this point. But you did it bro, you got me.
I do think you're being awfully condescending for a 3.3 Emory Finance major. You don't have a 4.0. Did you ever break 3.5? I'll gladly take the heat from posters like Flake and duffmt, that's fine, but you? I'm not so sure.
What I said before stands though, sorry for even bothering with this, sorry for calling anyone a faggot.
feeling didnt i tell u to xfer to uconn last year :P
I hate you for making me read this.
sorry :(
So feelingmean, if i were ashamed of my gpa you think i would make it public? Not that I have to prove myself to you, but perhaps you should do some research on my institution before you comment on my gpa. Try businessweek undergrad rankings. BETTER YET, why dont you apply to transfer to the Bschool and see how you do. I never complained about how shitty my school was (because it isnt) so i dont think i need to boast a 4.0. But you did, so you should at least have the proof that you didnt deserve to be there. I was a good fit with my school, is there something wrong with that? Also, I graduated in 4 years, so theres that.
calculations involve numbers, i was merely listing expenses. it's semantics anyway, troll.
and "a lot" (theres a space in there you fantastically educated man), to me, would be enough to live off of for a year without any income...so far i've got a good 4 years saved up.
was "you are so successful" supposed to be sarcastic? Do i even need to address that? I work for a top 5 BB in NYC right out of school (even with a 3.3), you're worried about graduating in what i can only assume is your 5th year from your selfproclaimed shitty institution(s). So am i successful? relative to you, i sure am. Please. Stop.
And I'm sure you did it all on your own. Congratulations.
I've had plenty of folks on here message me to tell me to ignore you, because you were being an asshole. So I'll listen to them. You are some asshole kid with a point to prove. And you did it.
I asked for help deciding if I should do this program, and it turned into.... some kid from Emory, who I don't know, telling me that I am useless, and that he is more successful than I am, after alleging that I am a financial burden on my parents.. Not sure what happened there.
Going to go outside, to the real world, where something like this would never happen.
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