What happens when you get violently ill
I did a search for this topic and couldn't find anything. I'm just curious what happens if you get VERY ill. Most people can function with colds and stomach aches, but if you have gastroenteritis, for example, you probably won't be able to stand up depending on the severity. I'm sure it depends on the type of group you're in, but how do most bankers handle this without looking pathetic? I guess I'm curious how humane people are with regards to this.
If you are throwing up and shitting yourself your not going to be working. No one is going to want Typhoid Mary sitting next to them. The big thing is try and stay healthy and work through normal stuff so god forbid you come down with Ebola you can take a day or 2 off.
you'll probably be flamed by something along the lines of "use common sense", "do what you think is right", but I'm also interested. Why?...because i want to fit in.
I was going to say use common sense, but since everyone has a different definition for being sick I think the general rule of thumb is to come into work no matter what unless your vomiting or physically incapable of showing up. At the very least get sent home. You are going to get run down and you will get sick. Your going to have to suck it up sometimes. If you have something highly contagious mention it and let them make the call. Bang out of work too much and you will be called a baby.
See...I disagree on this. If you're actually contagious, don't come in. If the worst thing people can say about you is that you don't come into work when you're sick, who cares? If you get everyone else sick, you're subtracting value from the firm so that you can look good in your own mind. MDs and Ds don't respect kids making stupid decisions that negatively impact the firm just so they can get some face time. Seriously--how much value do you add as an analyst? None? Almost none? No one is going to miss you if you take a day off when you're actually ill, especially when you spend 80-120 hours per week with everyone.
You must go into work even if you're puking blood and need to get hauled in by an ambulance. Period.
It does suck, but let's keep in mind, banking is a demanding & in some cases very extreme job. In the movie Friday Night Lights the running back takes a bone crushing hit and pops his shoulder out of the socket, goes to the sideline pushes it back it and finishes the game. To senior bankers every deal's like state championships, it's all on the line. I've puked in games, passed out on top of my books, to get the results I need. Shit needs to get done it's pretty simple.
If you really are sick, you'll be expected to work from home. Being sick generally doesn't get you out of job responsibilities, it just means you are exempt from travel and sometimes coming into the office. Of course, it depends on the disease. We had an analyst get mono and he continued to come into the office every day until it was gone. We also had an associate undergo a surgery or some other operation and he was on his laptop fielding calls and producing work from the hospital bed that afternoon. I don't think anyone will FORCE you to come in, but you'll quickly get the feel for whether or not your group is the type that supports working from home.
I also found this discussion using Search: http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/what-happens-if-youre-sick
i was pretty sick once and my boss told me point blank to get the f out of there and come back when I was better... I missed two days in the office but worked from home
I had appendicitis 11 months into my first year. I had the surgery on a Monday, was required to stay in the hospital until Wednesday and took the rest of the week off. The other junior guys had my back and covered my work. At first the senior guys were hitting me with emails but when I joking replied referring to the fact that I was laying in a hospital be hopped up on morphine and with a catheter in me they got the clue to leave me alone. I wasn't in any desire to rush back to the office or do work so I didn't. I think too many times people get to scared about their image and reputation and do ridiculous things like work under terrible conditions. My thinking is this: what's the point of being on a "team" if when your down you people don't get your back. For a while after I was made fun of for being a pussy but it was just fooling around.
what about if you are still capable of standing & typing, not contagious, but in extreme pain? i.e. recovering from an injury/surgery, stomach problems, eye or ear infection (so you are delirious half-deaf feverish and in lots of pain)
If you are sick then take the day off, that's what I do.
Too many people here worry about image, etc. But seriously, if you are very ill then just take the day off!
I don't understand why they would call you a pussy for that, since imo it is the direct opposite, i.e. those who go in to work when extremely sick are the real pussies. We are not robots. No point in killing yourself (literally) over a job.
I had pretty intense surgery (nothing too serious, but required a lot of pain meds and a catherer afterwards) and made the mistake of trying to go back to normal the same day (out of surgery at 2pm, back at 5pm) just to "show up and prove I'm tough". Turns out I was pretty loopy because of the anesthesia and people was "really happy" for some reason. I kinda made a fool of myself and people told me about it afterwards, even though I thought I was acting normal. I took a couple of days off after that.
Then, when I finally got off the pain meds, I got some pretty bad withdrawal sickness... felt like crap, had high fever then would feel really cold and then really hot and back and forth... passed out in random places while sitting, felt really depressed, etc. So I took 2 or 3 days off and was honest about it. Everything was fine, and people were generally like "yeah man don't worry about it, that can be pretty rough. just come back when you're out of it"
Moral of the story: you are not Leonidas. Don't try to act like it.
You guys need to get over this macho image thing. Ppl work hard in banking, yes. I think everyone knows personally when they are too sick to come in or when they are riding it.
When I was an analyst I worked through flus and stuff i.e. as long as I was able to think straight and wasn't in pain, but had to take days off for migraine (which results in me being dizzy and not being able to focus properly). As long as you are known to be a team player and overall a hard working guy/girl then ppl will generally assume you are taking time out only because you have to.
I mean I agree, but at the same time the "rockstar" analyst that I worked with last summer had apparently never taken a day off & was consistently in 30-45 min earlier than everyone else if it was a late night just in case some slack needed to be taken up. He was the go to guy in the office, & when he would get sick he'd reserve the small conference room. Now he's going to go to HBS with just his 2 yrs at an MM. The global head of the group hand wrote a rec letter for him. I think if you push through stuff because of machismo it'll come out, but if you are just that type of person, it can say a lot.
just make sure that when you first go in, work your ass off, like 18 hours a day, so that when you DO get sick, you have the cushion from before... so hopefully you won't get sick the first month...
what about lupus? do you come in if you have lupus?
Seriously, if your employer has a problem with you taking a day off because you're so sick you're at death's door, that's not the type of employer you want to be working for anyway. And besides, when I'm sick, I don't think clearly anyways. You're better off being a 0% productivity for 1 day instead of being at 50% (or less) productivity for two weeks.
If you come down with something seasonal, seriously, sleep in, have some chicken soup, get better as fast as you can, then go back to work. You're not doing anyone favors by sitting at your cubicle coughing your guts out, nor are you doing yourself any good. If your boss has a problem with that, you shouldn't be working for them.
I think this thread epitomizes everything that is wrong with IBD
Agreed. I've worked through some pretty brutal stuff. Really, really, really stupid and caused me to remain sick for longer.
Just use your best judgment. Clearly, don't take a day off if you have a cold, but if you are puking / shitting your brains out, take a day. You will only get other people sick (and they will resent you for it) and you will not be productive at all.
Once during my summer internship in AM I started vomiting right to the garbadge bin by my desk. All the senior staff was very supportive, they even called the cleaning personnel for me. I tried to keep working but after vomiting for a second time I knew it was time to go home, I just talked to my boss and went home.
I still got the offer for FT after the internship.
The truth is that, if you are a team player and do a quality job, is not because you are seek that you will loose your offer.
Use common sense? There's a pretty distinct line between when you don't feel like working versus when you simply cannot work. If it's the former, you should be at work and you likely know you should as well even if you can put on a facade that depicts otherwise. If it's the latter, and it's happening often, you should take better care of yourself. Everyone gets a legit flu / etc. once or twice a season (maybe none), but if you're missing more than a week of cumulative work per winter, you should probably work on your diet, sleep habits, exercise regime, etc.
That said, anyone who claims they go to work come hell or high water or projectile vomit or .... is either trying to sound tough on an online forum or needs to reassess their overweighted self-worth in the grand scheme of things. The only true fubar when it comes to sick days is taking them after St. Patrick's Day or some other well-known debaucherous holiday. Even if I were coincidentally legitimately sick, I think I'd come in just to save face from people assuming you partied too hard and dropped the ball.
I guess by definition of a professional, it's like doing it not because you have to, but in the mindset, you need to.
Sometimes I refer to myself that you need to be a faker to be professional. Take pills if your ill but the show must go on.
What happens if you're sick? (Originally Posted: 03/06/2007)
So say you're a first year analyst for a bb firm, and you've been working there for a few months now.
after the crazy hours and what not, you just happen to get sick. everybody gets sick.
anyways, i was wondering what people usually do since you rarely get any vacation days. i'm guessing most people will just work while they're sick, but sometimes you get sick to the point where you can't even get out of bed.
so yeah, what happens if you're sick?
then your problem is solved
u work through it which is what im doing now...unless ur deathly ill, then you might want to consider taking a day off
Getting sick is for wimps
They don't care if you have gangrene, they expect you to sever your leg at your desk, tie a cloth to the wound so you don't dirty the floors, and continue working.
Work until the point until get other people sick...Sure it sucks to lose a person for a day or two. But to have a floor full of people with the flu would be really counter-productive.
If you're sick, you're sick. Don't be a pussy about it and try to stay home if not needed, do everything you can to maintain your health and the strength of your immune system but if you get too sick to work, tell the people you are working with and try to figure out a way to work from home and/or get some additional rest time. They will never send you home and tell you to come back whenever you feel better but most people are understanding. They also don't want to catch whatever you have.
if you're sick at a BB, call the MD and he'll most likely tell you that you should stay home, watch some tv, and that you'll be destaffed on all of your deals.
Become a lawyer where you can do lots of billable things at home.
get your associates sick...they can't give you any more work. Hmmm...you'd end up doing their work for them, so don't do that.
what if you're sitting in your cubicle working and you get up to get a drink or coffee or whatever and then you like collapse on the floor? Would they then maybe give you a day or two off? Call 911? Maybe? My first guess is that they'd freak out, then do whatever is needed....
Of course you should probably get some rest BEFORE you get to the point where you faint in your cubicle....
Take plenty of emergen-c, drink lots of water, exercise, eat fruits and vegetables so you don't get sick in the first place. Although getting everyone else sick probably isn't such a bad idea .
Ok let's break the myths. I was top ranked my first year and took most of my vacation days (at the right time: thanksgiving, xmas, summer) and also got sick once (food poisoning). As long as you prove you're hard working and good and quick at what you do, you can take your time off without feeling bad about it. If you're a mediocre analyst, chaining yourself to your desk will not help.
If you get sick, believe me, no one wants you around when you turn any meal you've had into a garbage can full of vomit within a few hours. I was out for 3 days, and it was no big deal. It happens, and you got remote desktop if needed. And if you got a good team, your analyst friends can jump in while you're sick.
Agree with this. Nobody wants a floor full of sick people...in fact, I've seen more than a few MDs send people home because they don't want others getting sick.
That said, if you have something really important to do, unless you are deathly ill, you should go in.
(oops...I see now this is a 5-year old thread.)
What if you get sick? (Originally Posted: 01/28/2007)
Does any banker here have a chronic sickness or know someone that does? My friend accepted a full time offer before he found out that he has hyperthyroid due to Grave's Disease. Can you realistically manage a chronic sickness if you watch out for your diet and monitor your body carefully (sleep is assumed to be gone)?
Thanks!
Wow that sucks
Friend of mine accepted his offer at a BB (full-time), and was became ill a month before training. Had to spend a few weeks in the hospital, and missed the first few weeks of training. Was kicked out of the program, and basically told to find another job.
If they are this strict for training, I would assume it gets worse once you start..
I'm sure that has to violate some employment law. They can't fire you because your sick or am I wrong
It is illegal to terminate employment solely due to your health condition, unless they cited some other reason to kick the person out.
The problem with my friend is that he's not sure if he should tell them about the condition now. It's mostly managable (he's still in school full time), but he can't predict the prognosis in a severely stressful job environment.
Yeah, you're right. I just clarified with my friend, and apparently, they didn't fire him. Rather, they said he was being reassigned to a different group (one he really really did not want to work in, and could barely be considered IBD), since he missed training. He ended up backing out on the offer.
My mistake.
Dude no job is worth dying over
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